Is the Catholic Church GONE ???

I think people have the wrong idea on jesus, let me fill you in.Jesus was a miracle worker, who went from place to place, trying to set right what once went wrong, and hoping each time, that his next leap, would be the leap home.
Protected by his guardian angel, Al.

Dathai wrote:

I think people have the wrong idea on jesus, let me fill you in.Jesus was a miracle worker, who went from place to place, trying to set right what once went wrong, and hoping each time, that his next leap, would be the leap home.
Protected by his guardian angel, Al.

And a Palm 5 named ziggy!

bluewolf wrote:

Problem with pascal's wager is that if you believe in the wrong god, you're just as much in trouble or more if you're wrong

That's why his arguement comes with assumptions - one of which is the existance of a 'Christian God'.

Buddah's arguement was much more convincing, as he said, if you presume to believe the existance of death and re-birth and Karma, then the benefits happen in the hear and now and not just in the afterlife.

Angels wrote:

In my case i don't go to mass & i do feel guilty for not going but when i see a priest i feel disgusted no t don't get me wrong not all Priests abused kids but there were a majority who did abuse.

i sincerely doubt it was a majority. possibly a majority knew about it but i highly doubt that the majority of priests are kiddy fiddlers.

Kernel wrote:

No, I didn't miss his point, his point was to imply that anyone who believes in anything outside of the realm of their own sphere of existence is weak and needs a crutch. That's simply not true.

Even using your twisted logic, why will the Church only exist if weak people need a crutch? Will there be no strong people to keep the Church going? You see?
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thats not actually what he said. he didn't say "anyone who believes in anything outside of the realm of their own sphere of existence". that's calling him narrow minded by pretending he said somethig he didn't. his point is that people are afraid to die so someone shows them a book with all these nice stories about eternal bliss so they choose to believe despite no supporting evidence because they're afraid of the alternative.

caff wrote:

* You may believe in God, and if God exists, you go to heaven: your gain is infinite.
* You may believe in God, and if God doesn't exist, your loss is finite and therefore negligible.
* You may not believe in God, and if God doesn't exist, your gain is finite and therefore negligible.
* You may not believe in God, and if God exists, you will go to hell: your loss is infinite.

that's a very confusing way of stating it. his wager is basically that if you believe in god and are wrong, you've lost nothing (assuming having to live by its rules for your whole life is nothing) but if you dont believe and you're wrong, you go to hell.

what you've quoted doesn't actually say that. it would be quite hard to find a maths book that calls infinity negligible. in fact, infinity is the least negligible thing in existence. also, on two lines it defines infinity as negligible and on the other two it doesn't. also, if god doesn't exist and you don't believe in him, you've gained nothing, not infinitely as it states. lets just leave it as the that definition is incomplete at best and misleading at worst

ando wrote:

when you get older and retire you'll need something to believe in to keep yourself sane

this only reinforces the idea that the human brain is wired to make up stories of an afterlife because they're afraid of death. all societies in history that i know of have had a deity of some kind but that deity has always been different. if there was one true deity guiding us, wouldn't all societies believe in the same god, rather than the veritable flea market of gods we have nowadays?

Dathai wrote:

I think people have the wrong idea on jesus, let me fill you in.Jesus was a miracle worker, who went from place to place, trying to set right what once went wrong, and hoping each time, that his next leap, would be the leap home.
Protected by his guardian angel, Al.

you stole that from family guy :shakey fist:

Tusky wrote:

exactly. Religion is a joke, its dangerous and causes too much harm to the world.

It causes too much harm in the world because ignorant people hijack it for their own ends... I do think however that religion, to truly understand it, requires people of above average grey matter... and since we have our laws of statistics that means that most people will undoubtly misinterpret teachings... just go to the middle east and see whats happening and been taught... Actually even some RC priests in this country haven't really taken on Vatican II yet!

I for one will be glad when the last church has been demolished/converted into office space or whatever.

Never was so much sh1te, hypocracy, lies and self-serving nonsense peddalled to the weak, poor, disillusioned and needy. The church has had enough years persecuting their "faithfull" while sticking a basket under their noses - the most intricate con-job in our nations history.

Thats all before taking into account Gods teachings on the suggested conduct of an overfed, middle-aged man in a pompous black batsuit with a vunerable child entrusted into their care.

I'm enjoying this decline and am delighted that its unfolding in my lifetime.