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  • #32
    rubadub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    ARGINITE wrote:
    The goverment are finally doing it! They should close all of these stupid shops down.
    off-licences and tobacconists/newsagents too? or are they OK because your daddy does them and told you they are ok to abuse.


  • #33
    rubadub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    Longfield wrote:
    Will this include truffles?
    Very likely. I am not sure how far the law will go, it may have to specifiy the actual species, I know some cannabis cases were thrown out of court in the US since they were claiming the person had a different strain of cannabis. There are many many species of psilocybian mushrooms. New ones discovered fairly frequently.


  • #34
    Binomate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭Binomate


    rubadub wrote:
    Any reference to the "satanic" use of these? you seem interested in history.
    Yeah, I am. But nothing that concerns satanism. I just used that word for the hell of it.
    rubadub wrote:
    Of course there is that possibility, whether they are eating button mushrooms from tescos or psilocybes. Who would you rather bump into in a dark alley, scumbag on shrooms or pissed.

    Psilocybin was used for the rehabilitation treatment of prisoners and showed a very significant reduction in re-offending in its studies.
    I'd rather not bumb in to anyone, let alone anyone in a dark alley way.


  • #35
    18AD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,821 ✭✭✭18AD


    meditraitor wrote:
    I think without fear of argument, that you are the moron here.

    I'm the moron? A little humour anyone? Take it up with the dead man I quoted if you disagree.


  • #36
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,620 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Drink combined with mushrooms can have strange effects.

    My friend turned into a lunatic for 4 hours when he did a full pack after a feed of pints.

    I ended up having to babysit him for the whole time because he was liable to do anything.

    The government will have a hard time banning them when they grow in the fields naturally every haloween!


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  • #37
    ferdi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,598 ✭✭✭ferdi


    ****ing nanny-state cock sucking mother****ers:mad:
    one retard jumps out a window and my social liberty gets trampled on...democracy in action, ****ing pricks.


  • #38
    Giblet
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,038 ✭✭✭✭Giblet


    ferdi wrote:
    fucking nanny-state cock sucking motherfuckers:mad:
    one retard jumps out a window and my social liberty gets trampled on...democracy in action, fucking pricks.

    I'm listening to the radio. 60 yr old biddy lunatics are the voice of our nation, and Joe goes along with it. It's ridiculous. These people haven't a clue what they're talking about.


  • #39
    Binomate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,773 ✭✭✭Binomate


    Giblet wrote:
    I'm listening to the radio. 60 yr old biddy lunatics are the voice of our nation, and Joe goes along with it. It's ridiculous. These people haven't a clue what they're talking about.
    Say that again when you need a new cardigan.


  • #40
    joe_chicken
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,287 ✭✭✭joe_chicken


    18AD wrote:
    I'm the moron? A little humour anyone? Take it up with the dead man I quoted if you disagree.


    Just because you can quote a trendy comedian, doesnt mean you're immune to criticism...

    Hicks was funny... You are not

    Making government policy on a single, media driven, example is very stupid... I sometimes get the feeling that parties make their agendas after reading The Sun for 5 minutes


  • #41
    Goodshape
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,488 ✭✭✭Goodshape


    DaveMcG wrote:
    I don't fancy getting cold and stuff by picking them... Don't think they grow now anyways, do they?
    Nope, their seasonal. You can get them from around September until the first frost kicks in (usually mid-November).

    To be perfectly honest, I think picking them is half the fun anyway. Plus the Irish varaity (Liberty Caps) are among the best in the world (both IMO and from other people I've spoken too... we're lucky here in our fair green isle :) ). And their free with no limit on quantity aside from what you can find.

    Of course, I've taken the time to educate myself with regards to what to pick, when to pick and how many to take. For first timers it can be quite hit-and-miss :(


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  • #42
    pclancy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭pclancy


    This crap sickens me. Once again our silly little government has taken steps to protect the people from the dangers of something they know nothing about.

    I live in the middle of a town where EVERY night I hear some kind of row or scuffle going on because of drunk idiots falling around the street and then going home to beat the crap out of their family. Drunk drivers kill hundreds every year and loads of drunk pedestrians get themselves killed every year. One bloke jumps out a window and the shrooms are banished. How many people died last year because of alcholol or fags? No moves to ban them though. Hmmmm, is that anything to do with the tax bertie swallows from their sale?

    I know loads of people who take mushrooms or have done so in the past (myself included) and Ive never, ever seen any problems with them. People that take shrooms or smoke dope/weed etc DO NOT go around making trouble for themselves and others. They generally sit and listen to music and have a bit of craic either indoors or in a secluded place. They dont drive over poeple or smack anyone in the face. They dont give anyone any hassle and shy away from hostile situations. Yet its socially and criminally acceptable to get pissed on alcohol, smoke your lungs black with fags or get off your nut on prozac/valium.

    They grow in the ground for gods sake whats more organic or natural then that?


  • #43
    Morrigan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭Morrigan


    "psychedelic drugs cause paranoia, confusion, and total loss of reality in politicians that have never taken them"

    -- Dr. Timothy Leary


  • #44
    ezone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31 ✭ezone


    Just been to 3 shops in Dublin watched the last 30 grams being sold at 4pm

    All shelves are now cleared

    See you in Wicklow come september


  • #45
    Wertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭Wertz


    Okay so users start home growing em from imported kits...cut the huge profits these shops were making on em. Granted it's brushing with the law, but then so is coming out of a field with a plastic bag :v:

    As mentioned we'll likely see at least a few fatalities arising from this as ill informed teens (or older) make their way out to the fields to try and pick a free trip.
    I know the first time I ever went picking, I'd no clue what liberties looked like, but I was fortunate enough to have a mentor.

    I don't bother with natural hallucinogens anymore but IMO they are probably one of the less harmful drugs, including the legal ones...okay so people can maybe do some silly or life endagering things whilst under the effects and indirectly hurt or be hurt, but I think the same can be said for any mood altering substance.

    Once again, this government proves it's nothing but a reactionary body only too willing to be scared into rushed legislation on the back of the populist, ill informed opinions of of potential fianna fáil voters. That comment above about shop lifting being a cautionable offence.... :| the mind boggles.
    I mean here you have what is probably one of the precursors to more serious crime in young people, being demoted to a virtual slap on the wrist...what does a shoplifter learn from a caution...they learn that they can make a damn good relatively risk free living out of it.
    Back on topic....seems the Jo Duffy show and the tabloids have more influence on policy decisions in this country than any group of voters or lobbyists.

    To sum up; what we needed here was legislation to put some sort of legal status on psilocybin mushrooms, to avoid younger users getting their inexperienced little brains melted....and some sort of education on the facts surrounding these and other recreational drugs instead of hte Mr Hand approach....what we got was prohibition which drives the market to the dealers and makes mushrooms yet another gateway drug.

    Congrats to all involved.


  • #46
    Tusky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,098 ✭✭✭✭Tusky


    Goodshape wrote:
    I've never known anyone to get addicted to mushrooms. I smell lies to be honest.

    Vaseline is more addictive than mushrooms. I <3 muchrooms but they are in NO way addictive.


  • #47
    tintinr35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,437 ✭✭✭tintinr35


    its crazy this new law! if the government instead had limited the number of shops allowed to sell the shrooms then it would be easy to regulate but as has been mentioned its now in the hands of drug dealers and people who havent a clue picking mushrooms that could kill them!! Crazy


  • #48
    ferdi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,598 ✭✭✭ferdi


    Giblet wrote:
    I'm listening to the radio. 60 yr old biddy lunatics are the voice of our nation, and Joe goes along with it. It's ridiculous. These people haven't a clue what they're talking about.
    i know, i was listening to live-line too. makes me so angry, these grave dodgers making the rules for the rest of the (living) population. reactionary politics at its best. the government is an absolute joke.


  • #49
    Dave!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,856 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    ferdi wrote:
    i know, i was listening to live-line too. makes me so angry, these grave dodgers making the rules for the rest of the (living) population. reactionary politics at its best. the government is an absolute joke.
    I was listening too, it's so bloody frustrating...


  • #50
    rubadub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    Wertz wrote:
    To sum up; what we needed here was legislation to put some sort of legal status on psilocybin mushrooms, to avoid younger users getting their inexperienced little brains melted....and some sort of education on the facts surrounding these and other recreational drugs instead of hte Mr Hand approach....what we got was prohibition which drives the market to the dealers and makes mushrooms yet another gateway drug.

    Congrats to all involved.
    Yes, I like the apparent loophole that you can grow them. It is sort of like the UK cannabis situation, cant sell, cant grow put if you magically end up with a small amount you are just cautioned. Growing is not easy no matter what you hear. There is a lot to read up on and hopefully in the studying you will learn more about them, and not have this nonchalant attitude some people have. The problem I had was these shops selling to people under the impression "sure if they are legal they must be crap, better take 4 times the dose", there are loads of these bogus/weak legal highs out there and then the good ones. I was appalled when I saw them selling salvia in one shop with no warning at all to a teenager. Some mother rang in joe duffy whos 15 year old girl "freaked out", on shrooms bought in a shop. That is just stupid, the person who sold them is no better than a person buying alcohol/tobacco/cannabis for a teenager and should have to face some recourse IMO. These shop owners proven their ignorance in the interviews I have seen and conversations I had with some in the shops. I have heard one shop insists on selling the EXTREMELY potent pan cyan mushrooms in 30g doses. In holland they are only sold in 10g doses and are given extreme warnings that they should only be for very experienced users. In head shops in holland I saw much better warnings and refusal of sales, insisting people try the weaker stones.

    The arseholes in some of these shops have killed their own golden goose by irresponsible selling to minors and not even researching their own products.


  • #51
    pclancy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭pclancy


    My own experiance of the shops in Temple Bar was very good, they only sold 20g doses and they all came with good warnings. No shop should have sold to under 18s though thats stupid. Anyone that young that smokes dope or does any kind of mind altering stuff IMO is opening themselves up to a life of mental health issues.

    Salvia is a different story, very very mindmessable drug and shouldnt be messed with. Anything over 5x is very very harsh.


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  • #52
    pclancy
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    Morrigan wrote:
    "psychedelic drugs cause paranoia, confusion, and total loss of reality in politicians that have never taken them"

    -- Dr. Timothy Leary

    :D:D:D


  • #53
    rubadub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    pclancy wrote:
    Salvia is a different story, very very mindmessable drug and shouldnt be messed with. Anything over 5x is very very harsh.
    Probably the most non-addictive drug going too! and not a party drug so alcohol revenue is not at risk like it is with E


  • #54
    PTL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭PTL


    anyone into growing anything knows about gentics and blood lines ... i think the problem is 90% of politicians never had a real tough **** job :) never worked in tescos or mc donnals, have always stayed in there posh little circles and i think too much inbreeding in the blood lines have just produced people that are so out of touch of reality that its like there on there own little drug constantly.

    Id say half of them who voted to ban it wouldnt know if you eat or inject of sniff or smoke mushrooms :) maybe this was in there back pocket for a long time and used when the country was about to collapse ... loosing 54million outa health budget, leaking port tunnel, luas lines breaking, and that joke of the computer system for hospitals ..... **** quick lets make them look away ... look media look people look over here look mushrooms go fetch!

    and ezone ... your dead right i think its going to be great craic ... if you were picking before and seen someone else picking you kinda kept to yourself but sure maybe this will create a mini comunity haha you see someone picking and you go "**** the government, youse finding any yet" then we all have a common subject of bitching about the laws and everyone trips together haha great craic


  • #55
    pclancy
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    Good point. Sheltered upper class lives. Plus surely the money spent to enfore this law is going to be significant and the whole thing a complete waste of garda time. If it was legal the VAT would have been a small earner for the gov, maybe help towards fighting real drugs like heroin or crack that do destroy lives and communties.


  • #56
    Wertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭Wertz


    Brandy and cigars are the drug of choice for most of the people involved in this clampdown. ...and then hop into the merc and try to get home without the cops getting you to blow in a bag :v:

    The main thing I'm seeing here is the media frenzy surrounding both the ban and their legal status up until now.
    The thing about the clampdown is how easy it is to announce, how relatively cheap it is (before you try to actually enforce it) and most importantly how many column inches or how much free airtime it gets the legislators.
    It shows people that the government are willing to stand up and face such a huge problem with hard, swift no nonsense action.

    It's such an utter shame that they can't do it for issues like the health service, the M50 tolls, immigration policy, road deaths or 101 other IMPORTANT issues....but then none of those are as simple as signing a piece of paper and parading it all over the news.

    In the radio coverage I heard over the past while, we always got two extremes; the shop owners, who have vested interests and a livelihood at stake and inflamed parents , who's vested interest is their children (and rightly so).
    I heard one particular owner this morning claiming that he would be seeking compensation from the state for the imported stock he has to destroy ( :rolleyes: )...this wasn't the first time I'd heard him and I wasn't particularly impressed by how he came across...I could see how parents would take him up pretty badly too.
    The only half sane opinion I came across was some guard on Joe Duffy, who seemed to have his head half screwed on...but any of the owners just came across as a little petulant (IMO) and the parents as downright alarmist and ill-informed (rather their 15 yr old to be out drinking?? yeah that's not doing any harm to them at all)

    I weep for the future of this country, I really do. Where is there a f*cking political party that can at least represent some of the isues that such a majority of people out there in the real world seem to have on issues liket this? I'd vote for them in a heartbeat...


  • #57
    ezone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 31 ✭ezone


    those Joe Duffy shows from monday and tuesday are now becoming an international joke .

    2 steps backwards Ireland.

    http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=240262

    http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=149716


  • #58
    Jimi-Spandex
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,199 ✭✭✭Jimi-Spandex


    That's a bloody shame. People are so bloody closed minded. And what are they doing to sort out the booze problem?


  • #59
    rubadub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    Wertz wrote:
    I heard one particular owner this morning claiming that he would be seeking compensation from the state for the imported stock he has to destroy ( :rolleyes: )...this wasn't the first time I'd heard him and I wasn't particularly impressed by how he came across...I could see how parents would take him up pretty badly too.
    If they banned alcohol this afternoon (it wasn't even overnight!) I would not be rolling my eyes at off-licence owners looking for compo for such a ridiculously short notice ban.
    Why on earth did it take over a year to introduce the smoking ban if this can be done in an afternoon, how many people suffered due to passive smoking over that time. Why such a lag especially as there was no actual product being banned, it could have been introduced overnight easily.


  • #60
    Morrigan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 331 ✭✭Morrigan


    Jimi-Spandex wrote:
    ...And what are they doing to sort out the booze problem?
    The Irish Government wrote:
    The booze problem??? What problem??? Oh look, one person, who obviously had mental issues already, killed himself after ingesting psilocybe mushrooms... Lets "tackle" this "problem" in the full headlights of the national media and distract everyone from the facts in the Second Report of the Strategic Task Force on Alcohol (STFA) - Ireland’s alcohol related problems continue to increase and in 2003 cost Irish society in excess of €2.65 billion.
    The Irish are amongst the highest consumers of alcohol in Europe, with a consumption rate of 13.5 litres of pure alcohol per adult in 2003....

    There is an argument, or at least a frame of mind, that alcohol is an imbedded part of the Irish way of life (I hesitate to use the phrase "Irish culture") - Our love of dhrinkin' and scrappin' makes us who we are. And sure what would ya be doin' denyin' a man his pint of plain after him breakin' his back all day etc.
    A long time ago the people who lived on this benighted little Island of ours were much more in tune with animate nature, as we know, and understood the benefits of natural psychoactive substances as a gateway to mind and soul expansion...
    It feels to me like we're de-evolving, unlearning, and anti-developing...
    :eek: :eek: :eek: €2.65 billion:eek: :eek: :eek:


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  • #61
    turbot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,106 ✭✭✭turbot


    Lots of people behave stupidly on alchohol.

    Mushrooms alone are not the cause of their stupid behaviour.

    What most people are not mentioning is there are smart ways to do mushrooms, which make them very very very safe.

    Just as there are stupid ways to do everything else, which make other things dangerous.

    The guy who jumped off a balcony was evidently drinking quite a lot before hand. This means he made no effort to educate himself about how to take mushrooms because it makes no sense to get really drunk and then take a hallucinogen, and no guide to tripping or mushrooms would ever advocate this. You wouldn't go down a black run skiing unless you had some education. You don't climb into the mountains unless you are somewhat experienced.

    If you got carried away and made yourself 50 expressos and poured them into two pint glasses, you could easily die from the toxic effects of caffiene.

    I'm really angry at the family who got them banned because they are using mushrooms as a scapegoat to blame, when the issue lies with their son, who took them, did so stupidly and ignorantly.

    If someone dies drink driving, people don't blame drink, they blame the judgement to drink and drive.

    If someone has an allergic reaction to nuts, and almost dies from ingesting them, they don't blame the nuts, they blame the ignorance.

    This family has got all high and mighty and mounted a campaign based upon stupidity. And now they are likely to cause more problems because:

    In the last two years, taking magic mushrooms has become common place.
    They are easy to cultivate and grow yourself, and if you know what you're doing you can pick them in the wild.

    Now that Ireland has been introduced to them, they are not going to disappear within the next 5 - 10 years. They'll simply be supplied illegally... Most of the people who take mushrooms smoke hash interchangably and many regularly take E.

    I knew this was going to happen once that guy died.

    Is anyone interested in mounting a counter campaign ?

    There are probably 200 + smart people on boards alone who personally oppose the ban. With the help of the Internet.... I wonder what might happen?


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