Tesco's wouldnt serve me!

Fighting Irish · 29-01-2006 07:46PM

aidan_walsh wrote:

Or you could not be a prat and get your drink elsewhere.

Idiots here at times...

I'm not an idiot

maybe you are

if people pis me off (tescos) i like to piss them off

vannistelrooy10 · 29-01-2006 07:53PM

i am 18 and i dont look 18 and wasnt even asked for id in tescos when i was buying a few cans, i even had it in my pocket maybe it was the fact it wasnt just booze i had a sambo and water but it goes to show ya they aint all the same.

judas101 · 29-01-2006 07:53PM

couldnt you argue that the passport is the MOST legit form of id?

aidan_walsh · 29-01-2006 07:54PM

judas101 wrote:

couldnt you argue that the passport is the MOST legit form of id?

Why?

Guy:Incognito · 29-01-2006 07:59PM

senordingdong wrote:

Again you're missing the point completely.
They are legally obliged to accept legal govt. documentation such as a passport. Now...legally, that means, by law. If they refuse to do so, they are breaking the law.

No I'm not and no they are'nt

senordingdong wrote:

No, they can't..

Yes they can

senordingdong wrote:

No they're not.

Yes, they will. Email them and ask, then you can post the reply.

senordingdong wrote:

You should actually research these legislations first.

I don't need to, I know what I'm talkign about, see below.

senordingdong wrote:

You should find all you need at http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/.

Well it would seem that ODCA agree with me

OLDYELLAR wrote:

I had the same problem with Tesco Ardkeen , I contacted the director of consumer affairs , aparently its shop policy so theres nothing ya can do about it..

So next time your "know" your right, make sure you are. I on the other hand did know I was right, but then again, I don't prattel on about things that I made up(and it was because you couldn't have gotten your info from any official source)

judas101 wrote:

couldnt you argue that the passport is the MOST legit form of id?

You can argue that a dated baby photo of you is the most legit if you like, they'll still choose to accept what they want to. It's their right.

the_syco · 29-01-2006 08:17PM

senordingdong wrote:

They are legally obliged to accept legal govt. documentation such as a passport. Now...legally, that means, by law. If they refuse to do so, they are breaking the law.

They're legally obliged to take it if they ask for any form of ID, but they don't. They ask for Garda ID only. And as they can refuse to serve anyone, they are legally entitled to refuse to serve you.

lodgepole · 29-01-2006 09:34PM

Let's forget about the legality for a moment and ask one simple question. What is the benefit of accepting a Garda ID over a passport? I can't think of even one possible answer.

parsi wrote:

They most likely figure that it is best to train their staff in dealing with the most common form of ID for drink purchases - the Garda ID card. They probably figure that there's no sense in trying to identify passports or licences or what not and they'll stick with the card that was - at the end of the day - designed to prove you're old enough to drink.

Here's the thing... It's not the most common form of ID. It's a card that's a few years old that people only get because they were ****ed off with places like Tesco making up ridiculous policies. I would never pay money to the Gardai so that they could make me an ID card that is no more official that the IDs I was given when I was a student. What identification do you need to get a Garda ID? Your passport or drivers license. What ID do you need to a get a drivers license? Your passport. Your passport means ten times more than the Garda ID. Do you think that Tesco employees are so dim witted that they would need to be trained into how to read a date on a passport?

aidan_walsh wrote:

judas101 wrote:

couldnt you argue that the passport is the MOST legit form of id?

Why?

Because it is. You will never hold a more official identification, in the eyes of your own Government or of any other.

OLDYELLAR · 29-01-2006 09:36PM

Stekelly wrote:

So next time your "know" your right, make sure you are. I on the other hand did know I was right, but then again, I don't prattel on about things that I made up(and it was because you couldn't have gotten your info from any official source)

Would you care to ellaborate?
Are you trying to imply that I made up contacting the director of Consumer affairs ?

parsi · 29-01-2006 09:52PM

Lodgepole wrote:

Let's forget about the legality for a moment and ask one simple question. What is the benefit of accepting a Garda ID over a passport? I can't think of even one possible answer.

Here's the thing... It's not the most common form of ID. It's a card that's a few years old that people only get because they were ****ed off with places like Tesco making up ridiculous policies. I would never pay money to the Gardai so that they could make me an ID card that is no more official that the IDs I was given when I was a student. What identification do you need to get a Garda ID? Your passport or drivers license. What ID do you need to a get a drivers license? Your passport. Your passport means ten times more than the Garda ID. Do you think that Tesco employees are so dim witted that they would need to be trained into how to read a date on a passport?

Read it again and slowly this time - it is the most common form of ID used for drink purchases. Once you get past your early twenties you don't need id for drink. If you're a spotty 19-year old chances are you'll sooner have a garda id card than a passport or driving licence.

Because it is. You will never hold a more official identification, in the eyes of your own Government or of any other.

Unless you are claiming the dole in which case the "long" form of your birth certificate is the only form of ID accepted

parsi · 29-01-2006 09:55PM

OLDYELLAR wrote:

Stekelly wrote:

Would you care to ellaborate?
Are you trying to imply that I made up contacting the director of Consumer affairs ?

Don't worry - it was just dodgy quoting - he was using your response from the ODCA to agree with his point that it was shop policy...

spiderlegs · 29-01-2006 09:58PM

IMO it just depends on the cashier, if they're feeling all self important and uppity they can claim store policy and refuse a perfectly legible ID, in the same day you could have gone to someone else and they would have accepted even the dodgiest lookin' ID
FFS yesterday I was asked my date of birth to prove that I was over 16. It was only to get into the bloody cinema!!

Guy:Incognito · 29-01-2006 11:04PM

OLDYELLAR wrote:

Stekelly wrote:

Would you care to ellaborate?
Are you trying to imply that I made up contacting the director of Consumer affairs ?

As Parsi says, I was using it to show senordingdong he was wrong, it was'nt entirely clear.

Lodgepole wrote:

I would never pay money to the Gardai so that they could make me an ID card that is no more official that the IDs I was given when I was a student. .

If nothing else it's handy because it fits in your wallet. Drivers Licence and Passports are a pain to carry.

spiderlegs wrote:

FFS yesterday I was asked my date of birth to prove that I was over 16. It was only to get into the bloody cinema!!

Whats the point in putting age limits on things if they're nott going to at least try to enforce them? I'd assume cinemas could get fined for letting under age people in.

Teg Veece · 29-01-2006 11:13PM

They should really rethink the look of the Garda id card. It's the national id and it looks like something you'd find in a "My First Spy Kit" set. I was over in San Fransisco for the summer with some friends and we practically got laughed at anytime one of us tried to use it as a second proof of age.

lodgepole · 29-01-2006 11:32PM

parsi wrote:

Read it again and slowly this time - it is the most common form of ID used for drink purchases. Once you get past your early twenties you don't need id for drink. If you're a spotty 19-year old chances are you'll sooner have a garda id card than a passport or driving licence.

I understood that. And I don't agree. It may be becoming the most common form of ID (helped along by groups like Tesco) but it certainly isn't currently. You'd be surprised about people in their 20s. I've always looked old and have never had a problem (i'm 25 now) but friends have well into their 20s. The last time I remember was a 23 year old with full healthy beard and a passport in Tesco. I don't see why a 19 year old, spotty or otherwise, shouldn't have a passport. At the age of 18 you should have one.

Unless you are claiming the dole in which case the "long" form of your birth certificate is the only form of ID accepted

The dole are awkward ****ers about that. However your passport is still the more widely recognised identification and by virtue of the fact that it features a current (ish) photograph it is more official.

parsi · 29-01-2006 11:48PM

Lodgepole wrote:

The dole are awkward ****ers about that. However your passport is still the more widely recognised identification and by virtue of the fact that it features a current (ish) photograph it is more official.

For any State Service the long form of the brth certificate is what is required. Its because of this requirement that you can get a 70p (as was) version for applying for Child Benefit, Unemployment assistance etc.

At the end of the day if Tesco want you to have an ID card issued by Lola Lolabridga in order to buy alcohol then so be it. It's their shop. It's their stupid rule. But you know - they must be doing it for a reason...

lodgepole · 29-01-2006 11:57PM

parsi wrote:

At the end of the day if Tesco want you to have an ID card issued by Lola Lolabridga in order to buy alcohol then so be it. It's their shop. It's their stupid rule. But you know - they must be doing it for a reason...

That's pretty much my point... But i've yet to come up with a half way decent reason.

Aisling(",) · 30-01-2006 12:30AM

thats unusual I know a 14 year old who looks around 18,19 who gets served in tescos with a fake id

Our man in Havana · 30-01-2006 12:47AM

Fake Garda Id's are a 10 a penny. Very easy to make.

toffeapple · 30-01-2006 01:23AM

go somewhere else and buy more drink than you had planned to buy in Tesco's...go back about 3:30 am(most are 24 hours) and vomit the contents of your stomach all over the tills, floors, managers face if possible....also this would give you something that is actually interesting to post.

Guy:Incognito · 30-01-2006 01:33AM

I notice senordingdong is gone silent. Maybe he's trawlign through his law books.:)

parsi · 30-01-2006 01:40AM

Teg Veece wrote:

They should really rethink the look of the Garda id card. It's the national id and it looks like something you'd find in a "My First Spy Kit" set. I was over in San Fransisco for the summer with some friends and we practically got laughed at anytime one of us tried to use it as a second proof of age.

It's not "the national id" - its a fakemebob (or mockyaa) that's supposed to show the holder is of leagal age to buy drink.

We don't have a national ID card in this country. But maybe Senor DingDongDellyo can point to a link that says we do....

Beecher · 30-01-2006 01:51AM

Lodgepole wrote:

That's pretty much my point... But i've yet to come up with a half way decent reason.

I used to work in an Off-Licence, when I started we were 18's with any I.D bar student I.D. Then a few underagers were caught drinking by the cops with alcohol bought in our off-licence, and the reason they got served was because they had fake garda cards. Now because we had video of us I.D'ing them we got off with just a warning and no fine, but these warnings could help prevent us renew our licence so the action we took was no more Garda cards to prevent a second warning happening so easily. A similar incident then happened a few months later with some passports, some guys using their older brothers ones and another warning, so the next step of action was for us to become a 21's off-licence (I believe the first in Dublin). Shops dont want to have to force these restrictions as they do lose money from them, but with the threat of losing a licence some have no choice.

Edit: And before people say you cant refuse over age, thats descrimination, we werent. Due to the amount of trouble we were having we were refusing to accept passports/driving licences which had an age under 21 on them, we werent refusing the person who was under 21 (theres a very subtle difference between refusing a person and refusing their passport but it works. )

senordingdong · 30-01-2006 01:55AM

Stekelly wrote:

I notice senordingdong is gone silent. Maybe he's trawlign through his law books.:)

I am actually.
You know it's a long grueling process.

Fighting Irish · 30-01-2006 03:38AM

I am 21 and still get asked for ID in some carlow pubs/clubs, so i always walk up and hand the bouncer my ID to save a little time

Teg Veece · 30-01-2006 10:18AM

It doesn't really say much about us when we don't have a national id card but we have an "I'm-old-enough-to-legally-get-drunk" card. :rolleyes:

bullrunner · 30-01-2006 02:30PM

Beecher wrote:

Edit: And before people say you cant refuse over age, thats descrimination, we werent. Due to the amount of trouble we were having we were refusing to accept passports/driving licences which had an age under 21 on them, we werent refusing the person who was under 21 (theres a very subtle difference between refusing a person and refusing their passport but it works. )

Heres my take on it...either you were refusing the people due to
a) them being under 21 (not legal)
b) that their ID was faked (either by actually saying it or by implication).

By A) you are breaking the law. By

you are defaming the person.

The only reason you can not serve the person is to say that you will not serve them...no asking for ID or any of that crapola!

As for the Tesco fiasco...if the cashier refuses to serve you ..ask to see the manager. Ask the manager why they refuse to accept your driving license or passport. Stay calm, but be firm with them. By asking you for ID they have implied that they are prepared to serve you once you have valid ID. Refusing to accept a valid state issued id is not allowed. They are implying that you have broken the law, either by attempting to pass yourself off as another person, or that the id you have is a fake. Unless they can prove otherwise they MUST accept that your ID is valid.

Guy:Incognito · 30-01-2006 02:34PM

bullrunner wrote:

By asking you for ID they have implied that they are prepared to serve you once you have valid ID. Refusing to accept a valid state issued id is not allowed. They are implying that you have broken the law, either by attempting to pass yourself off as another person, or that the id you have is a fake. Unless they can prove otherwise they MUST accept that your ID is valid.

No their not. They dont just ask for id, they have a specific sign up with a picture of the only id they accept.

lil-buttons · 30-01-2006 02:38PM

I still get asked for Id. Im 24 and even when I go to the local shop that I used to work the new girls always ask me for ID...
Its jus life get used to it , what else can you do ?

limerick_man · 30-01-2006 02:44PM

Yeah, most shops require the garda ID (but usually the assistant will let u away), but Tesco is alot strictor wit its workers

um7y1h83ge06nx · 30-01-2006 02:48PM

Passports are the way to go. I know people that fake Garda IDs, tax, insurance discs and drivers licences BUT No-ONE I know will fake a passport, mainly cos it's harder and you would be in very serious trouble if caught, more so than being caught with the other forgories,

Tesco's wouldnt serve me!

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