Very interesting rumour RE: immigrants

RoundyMooney · 03-01-2006 04:39PM

Nuttzz wrote:

A Nigerian got was getting on a bus, but couldnt get her buggy on the bus, she took the kid out and left it at the bus stop, a lady on the bus asked her about her buggy and the Nigerian told her that she could just go to the welfare office and get another.

Thats another common BS story that was going around too, these bleedin immigrants taking our jobs, our houses, our women, our welfare, our.....claptrap tbh

That's correct. A variation I heard was a Cork Taxi, which also could not accomodate the fictitious buggy!

There is a lot of claptrap surrounding people of other nationalities. The insular attitudes and old wives tales of some people (is it me or is it more common among the older generation?) are very destructive and responsible for more racist attacks and lack of understanding than any skin head neo nazi freak could ever hope to achieve...:mad:

seamus · 03-01-2006 04:39PM

flogen wrote:

How do you pay man A with a cheque written for man B? I mean if I got a cheque from my job with my pay on it, wouldn't I need to cash it first and then use that cash to buy things?

Sometimes you can, depending on where you try to cash it, buy I very much doubt you can give a man a stack of social welfare cheques and he would accept that for a car. Smells of bull to me...

rubadub · 03-01-2006 04:42PM

flogen wrote:

How do you pay man A with a cheque written for man B? I mean if I got a cheque from my job with my pay on it, wouldn't I need to cash it first and then use that cash to buy things?

apparently not, my mate works in a shop and takes in checks all the time, though only from regulars. Dont know how it works but they are not in his name and he can cash them.

ST* · 03-01-2006 04:48PM

Hobbes wrote:

The social welfare is said to be sending out those who claim continued racial abuse on public transport, to select a car

The best thing they can do there is give the us the feicin' cars so we don't have to look at their faces on public transport. no wonder Irish people become racist. The asylum seekers want for nothing off this country, and we are to let smile at us with a full set of gold choppers? you got to be joking me.

Boggle · 03-01-2006 04:51PM

Funny - I was reading the paper this morning and they were giving out about the absurd PC-ness of people and the media in particular when it comes to dealing with stories regarding minorities... Why is it that when a guy posts a question regarding a rumour that implies that his hard earned taxes are misspent that everyone jumps on the PC brigade instead of discussing the nature of the question?

Perhaps its foney, perhaps not(as was testified and ignored earlier on in the thread) but it is amazing how people shy away from an argument which implies a race/minority to be at fault even if they are known to be...

An example of this (according to the paper) is where people generally refer to youths having unprotected sex as a major cause of the HIV boom in the UK whereas it was actually more to do with the amount of immigrants coming in from HIV "infested" parts of Africa at the time.
It's off topic, I know but interesting none the less...

Oh yeah, and notice how we in Ireland have no health checks on those coming from African nations known to have high levels of HIV!!

whiskeyman · 03-01-2006 04:57PM

Boggle wrote:

An example of this (according to the paper) is where people generally refer to youths having unprotected sex as a major cause of the HIV boom in the UK whereas it was actually more to do with the amount of immigrants coming in from HIV "infested" parts of Africa at the time.

Never heard this in any media.
Link to paper / article???
I'd bet they were referring to the explosion in STDs and not HIV/AIDS.

ST* · 03-01-2006 04:57PM

Boggle wrote:

when it comes to dealing with stories regarding minorities... Why is it that when a guy posts a question regarding a rumour that implies that his hard earned taxes are misspent that everyone jumps on the PC brigade instead of discussing the nature of the question?

I heard something similar, quite a while back. It was regarding what they get in 'setup' costs in Ireland. The Irish government claim they only give out x amount per week to them.
There was a family that used to live next door to me - the father was buying and selling cars regularly.

That bull doesn't wash with me.

RoundyMooney · 03-01-2006 05:04PM

Boggle wrote:

Funny - I was reading the paper this morning and they were giving out about the absurd PC-ness of people and the media in particular when it comes to dealing with stories regarding minorities... Why is it that when a guy posts a question regarding a rumour that implies that his hard earned taxes are misspent that everyone jumps on the PC brigade instead of discussing the nature of the question?

Perhaps its foney, perhaps not(as was testified and ignored earlier on in the thread) but it is amazing how people shy away from an argument which implies a race/minority to be at fault even if they are known to be...

Not my point at least. I hate political correctness as much as I hate racism. The pendulum has swung from unashamed apartheid to a situation where Christmas cannot be mentioned as it may offend the sensibilities of other religious groups. This is ridiculous, especially in an age where Muslim fundaMENTALists are allowed free reign to spread race hatred. Why can the views of those in authority not settle in a happy compromise, as opposed to veering from one crazy extreme to another? (This is not an Irish issue of course, but an international one).

Boggle wrote:

An example of this (according to the paper) is where people generally refer to youths having unprotected sex as a major cause of the HIV boom in the UK whereas it was actually more to do with the amount of immigrants coming in from HIV "infested" parts of Africa at the time.
It's off topic, I know but interesting none the less...

That sounds a little unfounded. Judging by the state of public order today, I think it more likely to be drink fuelled stupidity than a massive influx of African disease.

Boggle wrote:

Oh yeah, and notice how we in Ireland have no health checks on those coming from African nations known to have high levels of HIV!!

Health checks, however cursory, were a facet of the huddled masses at Ellis Island in the 1800s. They should still be so today, for all asylum seekers or anyone who attempts to entry the country with a passport they made using mspaint in a Lagos internet cafe...

homah_7ft · 03-01-2006 05:09PM

Could people post links to the articles they are referring to. Strikes me as odd that the government should suddenly become generous :eek:

ronbyrne2005 · 03-01-2006 05:18PM

i cant beleive anyone would beleive such crap but then again people beleive what they want to beleive.

ST* · 03-01-2006 05:25PM

homah_7ft wrote:

Strikes me as odd that the government should suddenly become generous :eek:

Thats because its not in our favour. They are hardly going to go shouting about it, when they know the Irish will go awol because we have beg for help of any kind. You would be doing well to find such articles in print. Even if you do find something related, it will be quite sketchy to say the least. In the town I live in, I've seen Irish mothers coming from the social welfare office with the shi.ttest of prams etc. they only have a certain allowance that the welfare will chip in. then the foreign mothers come out with the best of gear. its a farce.

I've seen enough now in the last 2yrs to make me think twice.

flogen · 03-01-2006 05:27PM

ronbyrne2005 wrote:

i cant beleive anyone would beleive such crap but then again people beleive what they want to beleive.

Very true, people will lap up the free car/buggy/mansion stories only if they are subconsiously suspicious or untrusting of immigrants, which many are due to programming by their parents or friends.
The fact is all of these claims come to nothing, no media attention, no solid proof other than "my friend" stories, but people are willing to accept them as fact. They might not be so quick in other situations.

I bet if you told one of the above stories to some people down the pub they'd say "that's typical" rather than "where did you hear this from?". It's a mixture of slight racism, xenophobia, and a distrust of the government (a very Irish trait). You can kill/hate the two birds with one stone when it's a sponger asylum seeker getting something for nothing off the softy whimp government, right?

homah_7ft · 03-01-2006 05:30PM

Shock_treatment wrote:

Thats because its not in our favour. They are hardly going to go shouting about it, when they know the Irish will go awol because we have beg for help of any kind. .

What do you mean in our favour? Do you mean you by any chance? What do you mean when you say the Irish will go awol? Absent without leave. I don't get your point. Suffice to say the government are tight when giving out money and in particular to the weakest in society. Frankly I don't see the votes in it for them.

Boggle · 03-01-2006 05:30PM

The article I was referring to was in the Metro newspaper - theres' no online source but I'll try and grab one on the way home and scan in the article tomorrow. It was interesting enough and it is falling on the back of alot of resentment being felt over here due to the obvious lengths the govt are going to bend over backwards to accomodate foreign cultures. (Such as removing teddy piglets from the post office as it offends Muslims, etc...)

flogen · 03-01-2006 05:31PM

Shock_treatment wrote:

Thats because its not in our favour. They are hardly going to go shouting about it, when they know the Irish will go awol because we have beg for help of any kind. You would be doing well to find such articles in print. Even if you do find something related, it will be quite sketchy to say the least. In the town I live in, I've seen Irish mothers coming from the social welfare office with the shi.ttest of prams etc. they only have a certain allowance that the welfare will chip in. then the foreign mothers come out with the best of gear. its a farce.

I've seen enough now in the last 2yrs to make me think twice.

So what you're telling me is this;
It's common knowledge that asylum seekers get free fancy stuff like prams, so common that people like you know about it without having to do any research at all.
It's so damaging to the government that they know they can't talk about it too clearly.
And yet the media, full of people who hate the government (or just want to be the ones to claim credit for bringing a politician down), are unable or unwilling to report on the issue? Please.

If it's happening, there would be a paper trail. The government might not advertise it but anyone half bothered could find out under the FoI or just by asking questions. People could also ask these spongers where they got the flash gear, but no one seems to be bothered with that either.

I tell you what, if I believed the government were up to something this dodgy I'd be all over it like a rash, but I know they're not.

MorningStar · 03-01-2006 05:31PM

RoundyMooney wrote:

Nigeria is a pure cesspit, plain and simple. It is corrupt from the highest level of government down.The vast majority of refugees from there are economic in nature.

Advance fee fraud and other forms of e-scamming emanating from Irish IP blocks have increased exponentially in the last number of years. Another sad fact.

I don't know Nigeria myself on a personal level but the corruption is well documented and apparent. If people are used to a corrupt system them may have problem dealing straight with a more straight system. There is records of corruption by people from Nigeria in international circles and don't forget they cornered the early market in Crack.
Just like in Scarface criminals are coming in with legit claims the only problem is not one case can be seen as legit as there are no direct routes to this country from Nigeria so each individual case must be a corruption of interntional law. If anybody can explain how they can get here without asking for asylum.

I believe the case of the leaving cert student proves that the rules should not be corrupted for any reason as it undermines the policy and worse. If anybody commits an serious illegal act within 5 years of citizens rights they should be removed. Any connection to orgainsed crime should be legal grounds to do so .

Say what you like about the IRA but they policed the underground for a long time and the vacum the created will be filled.

homah_7ft · 03-01-2006 05:34PM

MorningStar wrote:

I don't know Nigeria myself on a personal level but the corruption is well documented and apparent. If people are used to a corrupt system them may have problem dealing straight with a more straight system. There is records of corruption by people from Nigeria in international circles and don't forget they cornered the early market in Crack.
Just like in Scarface criminals are coming in with legit claims the only problem is not one case can be seen as legit as there are no direct routes to this country from Nigeria so each individual case must be a corruption of interntional law. If anybody can explain how they can get here without asking for asylum.

I believe the case of the leaving cert student proves that the rules should not be corrupted for any reason as it undermines the policy and worse. If anybody commits an serious illegal act within 5 years of citizens rights they should be removed. Any connection to orgainsed crime should be legal grounds to do so .

Say what you like about the IRA but they policed the underground for a long time and the vacum the created will be filled.

Off topic. OP asked if the rumour about cars was true. Answer is no it's not true.

03-01-2006 05:34PM

I fúcking hate rumours like this. :mad:

They are spread by idiocy, mistrust and racism.

The Irish people have a long history of emigrating to other countries looking for work, if this was still the bad old times in the 70s and 80s a lot of people posting here would be emigrating or considering it.

Keep this in mind when you hear people talking about the latest foreigner scams and such like.

delly · 03-01-2006 05:38PM

flogen wrote:

I tell you what, if I believed the government were up to something this dodgy I'd be all over it like a rash, but I know they're not.

Other than the regular stuff of course

MorningStar · 03-01-2006 05:39PM

flogen wrote:

So what you're telling me is this;
It's common knowledge that asylum seekers get free fancy stuff like prams, so common that people like you know about it without having to do any research at all.

In fairness they would get free stuff like prams and clothes. It is reasonable they would as we have a duty of care to these alysum seekers. Cars are another issue. These goods would not be easy to come by and would take a lot of effort but they would be free.
If I washed up on a shore and asked for asylum I would expect clothes etc... A car is on the large side but some cliam being as pushy and needy as you can will mean you can get one is some peoples' belief. I find it doubtfull but a subsidsed car seem possible
JUst keep a tab running and when Nigeria gets going they can pay us the eqivialant in oil at todays prices. This may actually benifit us in the long run.

homah_7ft · 03-01-2006 05:47PM

MorningStar wrote:

The point is that is not true! It is an interiptation put upon the facts.

THere is no cartel or evidence of such. You somehow believe they all got together and there is no proof only speculation on the fact that some of the big boys have done this. Only one has and the others said they will consider it. That is not a cartel as only one company has done it!!!! There is speculation that the others might follow it. THat is not opinoin that is fact. They will all do it if there is businbess sense to it.

Choice is not restricted. Nothing you have claimed is actual fact only speculation on what might happen after one report on Skynews. There is lack of simply buiness knowledge in the argument. THis is not opinion but ignorance of facts and ingnorance of the entire market. You can keep the opinion but it lacks credibility and can't be claimed to be a informed view.

Hmmm you are interested in facts in this other thread

Devon · 03-01-2006 05:48PM

Ok here's an update. The guy who told me said it was mostly Nigerians who were availing of this and other benefits. Those who can work here obviously don't qualify. I can only assume he means it's asylum seekers who get cars from that.

On a side note, but relevant, he also mentioned the very well documented and publicised "socialising allowance" that asylum seekers are awarded to enabled them to integrate with the Irish culture.

That was all over talk shows when it was first introduced and perhaps the "cars" thing has spawned from this?

homah_7ft · 03-01-2006 05:51PM

A guy told me this was an update.

Gordon · 03-01-2006 05:54PM

A guy I know works in the government and he said that this wasn't true.

delly · 03-01-2006 05:55PM

Gordon wrote:

A guy I know works in the government and he said that this wasn't true.

Ye, i know that guy your on about, he told me the same.

03-01-2006 05:58PM

homah_7ft wrote:

A guy told me this was an update.

My mates, cousins friend sold him the car!

speriamo · 03-01-2006 06:28PM

Nuttzz wrote:

A Nigerian got was getting on a bus, but couldnt get her buggy on the bus, she took the kid out and left it at the bus stop, a lady on the bus asked her about her buggy and the Nigerian told her that she could just go to the welfare office and get another.

Thats another common BS story that was going around too, these bleedin immigrants taking our jobs, our houses, our women, our welfare, our.....claptrap tbh

If that Nigerian was a citizen and on the One Parent Family Allowance she actually would be entitled to get another new pram from the Community Welfare Officer.

However I dont know her full circumstances.

But the title of the thread gives away the authors intelligence. I heard a rumour that there is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

Hobbes · 03-01-2006 07:01PM

Bambi wrote:

Oh right, i didnt realise the newspapers took a close interest in the workings of the welfare system.

Actually they do. Do you not think that if such a thing actually happened it would be reported somewhere even by such sites as Stormfront which would be dancing around shouting about it if it was true.

RoundyMoody wrote:

What was not reported in the media was that said individual allegedly came to the attention of the Gardai for possession of a fake passport, driving without car insurance, and most tellingly, credit card fraud. As far as I'm aware he is still in the state.

So if it wasn't reported where did you hear about it?

I am also curious that if they can get all this free stuff without being in the country before knowing that at the same time Irish people can't find out the exact details.

Hobbes · 03-01-2006 07:06PM

MorningStar wrote:

In fairness they would get free stuff like prams and clothes. It is reasonable they would as we have a duty of care to these alysum seekers.

You can go to oasis.gov.ie and refugee.ie and see exactly what they get.

Here is something to get you started.
http://www.irishrefugeecouncil.ie/factsheets.html

Seriously the Pram story was done to death ages ago. Its total BS.

Gordon wrote:

A guy I know works in the government and he said that this wasn't true.

I know this girl who said her friends cousin said she saw you talking to him, so it must be true.

RoundyMooney · 03-01-2006 07:18PM

Hobbes wrote:

So if it wasn't reported where did you hear about it?

I cannot divulge the source. I believe the person who told me, it is your decision whether you choose to believe me or not. Suffice to say, that my source was "involved".

I have googled, and have seen more submissions to that effect on a bulletin board or two. If you want urls I will happy post them, however, the contributors do not give any reference for such information, therefore it should be taken anecdotally, as should mine, and left to the reader to form an opinion.
ISTR an article mentioning the car insurance issue appearing in the Sindo recently, given their handling of the Lawlor story, among other things, that may be not be a good thing.

Very interesting rumour RE: immigrants

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