cannabis smokers

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 12-12-2005 12:17AM

the americans politely asked the europeans, and the europeans politely licked the americans assholes and said "certainly sirs"

slipss · 12-12-2005 12:20AM

I think the official line is its prohibited because its addictive and it didn't have the kind of money behind it at the time that alcohol and nicotine had so there was no one buying its legality, in the USA, and most nations follow Americas example.

Amazotheamazing · 12-12-2005 12:22AM

Why? Please don't re-iterate the hemp was a wonder substance thing, coal-mine owners didn't stand in the way of electricity, horse breeders didn't suppress motorcars, i know the theory and it simply isn't credible.

Cheers slipss, while that's probably true, I wonder why they'd re-legalise alcohol but ban cannabis.

Dave! · 12-12-2005 12:27AM

http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/2003/12/22/whyIsMarijuanaIllegal.html

grumpy 'ol man · 12-12-2005 12:31AM

why did they decide to test these 15 year old kids??? why not take a look at eastern cultures, in regions where hashish is a staple part of their culture?? i dare speculate that there is not a lot of schizo's in such places, more so than anywhere else i mean. indeed, weed like anything, is only beneficial in moderation. Particular individuals are more susceptible to its benefits( people undergoing chemo) while others are perhaps more susceptible to the nasty side effects it can have( those of us unfortunate enough to be "disturbed, menatlly ill" etc. disregard the hoopla of "latest research findings" etc...thats been going on for the past 80 years or so....smoke it, if it works for you, keep on smokin...............

drdre · 12-12-2005 12:31AM

why even smoke hash, pay abit extra and get pure weed like white widow or purple haze.i have not smoke hash in ages now cause grass is much better:D

HashSlinging · 12-12-2005 12:37AM

slipss wrote:

I think the official line is its prohibited because its addictive and it didn't have the kind of money behind it at the time that alcohol and nicotine had so there was no one buying its legality, in the USA, and most nations follow Americas example.

Not true, most of the major nicotine manufacturers had already designed cigarettes that contained cannabis, it was about to be legalised and congress voted against. I "think" thats what happend. memory sort of a blur.

grumpy 'ol man · 12-12-2005 12:38AM

And as to the history of our prohibition, our drug laws are largely second hand american laws...from the 30's to the present the us has had a stranglehold on the WHO and the UN....they basically control international drug laws....Cannabis was a victim of racial and financial issues etc. A great big chunk of good 'ol usa morality played its part too.....

slipss · 12-12-2005 12:42AM

just one thing, I have a friend of a friend that has been selling home grown weed that he grows on the window sills in his flat, as white widow and skunk and purple haze for years and charging crazy prices, at least with hash theres not much difference in quality. theres less chance you will get ripped off, and I know there will be people that are going to post saying they can always tell wether they have good weed or not. Well if you tell someone you have the finest white widow flown in from holland and give it the big sell, they will almost always be back with there friends saying it was ****ingg amazing and could they please have some more. or so the friend of a friend told me.

Amazotheamazing · 12-12-2005 12:42AM

UN is a post WW2 invention, not sure about WHO. Why would Russia or Germany agree to American laws in the 1930's? Why would the UK, seeing as they don't agree to plenty of US laws as it is.

slipss · 12-12-2005 12:43AM

drdre wrote:

why even smoke hash, pay abit extra and get pure weed like white widow or purple haze.i have not smoke hash in ages now cause grass is much better:D

see above

HashSlinging · 12-12-2005 12:45AM

Eh hello? a good dutch friend of mine grows for the shops in Amsterdam, he grows basic weed (forget the name) and they sell it on as "brand ABC".

Endurance Man · 12-12-2005 12:49AM

slipss wrote:

just one thing, I have a friend of a friend that has been selling home grown weed that he grows on the window sills in his flat, as white widow and skunk and purple haze for years and charging crazy prices, at least with hash theres not much difference in quality. theres less chance you will get ripped off, and I know there will be people that are going to post saying they can always tell wether they have good weed or not. Well if you tell someone you have the finest white widow flown in from holland and give it the big sell, they will almost always be back with there friends saying it was ****ingg amazing and could they please have some more. or so the friend of a friend told me.

Hash is ****! Seriously, its poo, save up and buy the real stuff, its worth it. Its like buying that cheap knock off coke that lidl sell, not even close to the real stuff.

grumpy 'ol man · 12-12-2005 12:50AM

funny thing is slipss, there is a fair bit of dutch weed floating about! and yes there is middle of the road weed floating about too....

grumpy 'ol man · 12-12-2005 01:01AM

amazo, the us, while having this grip on the UN and who, where the only one's to claim to have definitive scientific evidence that backed up their prohibitive stance-harry anslinger etc. drugs were also claimed as being dangerous for society as a whole....

Amazotheamazing · 12-12-2005 01:08AM

And cannabis was made illegal before the UN existed.

drdre · 12-12-2005 01:08AM

theres loadz of orange bud going around.anyway the point of this thread is that all this stuff is bad for you so we should not be naming the types etc.its serious topic:D

slipss · 12-12-2005 01:08AM

ok just one more thing for this thread hash is stronger than weed

slipss · 12-12-2005 01:09AM

botanicaly and chemicaly speaking of course

grumpy 'ol man · 12-12-2005 01:47AM

the cornerstone of all drug prohibition is the harrisson act in 1914 (US) again this was informed by fears of the degardation of society..the blackman using cocaine and raping white women etc. these where widespread, "genuine" fears back then.....the harrison act was informed by a prominent medical man who lobbied intensely with this racial degeneracy crap.....subsequently anslinger promoted such beliefs and we are living their legacy now......

Danno · 12-12-2005 02:04AM

Having read this thread, one thing that is ignored is emotion and elevation.

1) Hash masks emotions, whereas alcohol numbs it. I have seen family members f\/ck up-ed over hash, whereas the alcohol abusers are far more pleasent to deal with...

2) Hash is a introductory drug to more serious drugs on the market.

I feel that hash in itself is fairly harmless, but if the "next level drugs" were clamed down on hard enough, then a serious case for legalisation could be realised.

It, at the end of the day is a matter of personality, alcohol can be a great substance to "abuse" to bring out the craic in oneself. But if and it does, when goes wrong is disasterous.

Piste · 12-12-2005 02:40AM

you could equally argue that Alcohol is an even lesser introductory drug, but an introductory drug all the same. Someone gets a buzz of alcohol and they may want to experiment with different substances for different kicks and so naturally turn to Hash as it is relatively cheap and easy enough to get.

failsafe · 12-12-2005 04:08AM

Did anyone read that pdf? It actually says;

"Chronic use of marijuana may actually improve learning memory"

WTF??? I think that's grounds enough to dismiss the whole report! (i don't think pro or anti hash people would agree that stoners are memory wizards)

There's a lot of reference to tobacco aswell. Isn't the average joint 90% tobacco!?! Which leads me to what i can only describe as the most classic stoner comment on this thread..

Big Knox wrote:

but I know enough to realise the only danger im putting myself in is exactly the same as somone who smokes heavily and nothing more.

Doesn't smoking... like..... kill you or something?.... dude...

Blisterman · 12-12-2005 10:24AM

I think mixing weed with tobacco is a crappy thing to do. You'll get yourself hooked on tobacco, and it doesn't make you any higher. You have to smoke more.
Just roll smaller joints with just weed.
And the Hash in Ireland sucks. It's about 10% hash 90% other crap. Real hash is quite soft and you only need to smoke the tiniest amount.

rubadub · 12-12-2005 11:32AM

slipss wrote:

ok just one more thing for this thread hash is stronger than weed

you would be lucky to get 4% THC soapbar here. Most weed in holland would be about 10% up to about 18%. Decent hash is 30-50% THC.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 12-12-2005 01:08PM

1) Hash masks emotions, whereas alcohol numbs it. I have seen family members f\/ck up-ed over hash, whereas the alcohol abusers are far more pleasent to deal with...

Alcohol abusers are more pleasant to deal with than stoners? What planet are you living on? How many stoners do you see outside every weekend starting fights, puking all over the streets, throwing chip bags and all sorts of rubbish everywhere BUT into the bins provided?
Drunk people are sloppy, stupid and they can be very violent. Stoned people are sloppy, stupid but usually too wrecked to cause any trouble for anybody. Alcohol is and always will be the biggest drug problem we have, especially since so many people just refuse to see it as such.

2) Hash is a introductory drug to more serious drugs on the market.

absolute nonsense. If that were the case, then all of holland would be shooting heroin, taking E and snorting cocaine. They. Are. Not. Afaik holland has one of the lowest numbers of addicts in europe. There is a small gateway effect, but that has nothing to do with the drug itself. It has to do with the fact that users are forced to purchase their supply from criminals, who also supply other criminal drugs. If we didn't have to buy our hash from the same guy who sold coke/e/speed, then most of us wouldn't know anyone who sold coke/e/speed. Most stoners only smoke (or drink, this is christendom after all) , it's the minority not the majority that go on to the harder drugs. And it's a smaller minority still that gets addicted and screws themselves up.

From http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/mj007.htm

arijuana Is A "Gateway" Drug It Leads To Hard Drugs

This is one of the more persistent myths. A real world example of what happens when marijuana is readily available can be found in Holland.

The Dutch partially legalized marijuana in the 1970s. Since then, hard drug use, heroin and cocaine, have DECLINED substantially.

If marijuana really were a gateway drug, one would have expected use of hard drugs to have gone up, not down.

This apparent "negative gateway" effect has also been observed in the United States.

Studies done in the early 1970s showed a negative correlation between use of marijuana and use of alcohol.

A 1993 Rand Corporation study that compared drug use in states that had decriminalized marijuana versus those that had not, found that where marijuana was more available, the states that had decriminalized, hard drug abuse as measured by emergency room episodes decreased.

In short, what science and actual experience tell us is that marijuana tends to substitute for the much more dangerous hard drugs like alcohol, cocaine, and heroin.

It, at the end of the day is a matter of personality, alcohol can be a great substance to "abuse" to bring out the craic in oneself. But if and it does, when goes wrong is disasterous.

I'll never understand how people can say alcohol is a better substance to abuse than marijuana, simply boggles the mind.

Royale with Cheese · 12-12-2005 01:15PM

I have to agree with the argument against hash/weed being a gateway drug. Yeah I'm sure it is if you have 13 year old kids smoking it who don't have the brains to make a concious decision about smoking. They just do it to be cool/follow peer pressure. I smoke the odd bit of hash but have no intention of ever trying anything harder. I made my mind up about that a long time ago before I'd smoked hash (I'd always though of smoking hash acceptable, and knew I'd try it eventually). Smoking hash hasn't affected my decision on abstaining from harder drugs one bit. The only people who use hash as a gateway drug are people who would have been using the harder drugs anyway regardless of whether they smoked hash or not. If hash didn't exist would be there be much less heroin/coke addicts? Don't think it would make a huge difference imo. I know alot of people who smoke alot more often than I do, some of them I might consider to be stoners. But they would never even try anything harder.

toiletduck · 12-12-2005 01:16PM

Mordeth wrote:

I'll never understand how people can say alcohol is a better substance to abuse than marijuana, simply boggles the mind.

i prefer getting drunk to getting stoned tbh

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 12-12-2005 01:21PM

fair enough, a lot of people do. But the risk of alcohol abuse are pretty severe and, well horrible. The risks of marijuana abuse are being an airhead stoner, with a slight to moderate risk of developing some form of mental illness if you smoke a lot when you are younger.

Blisterman · 12-12-2005 01:58PM

Personally I don't smoke weed any more, as I find it quite anti social, as i Don't like to be around strangers when I'm stoned.
I do still drink, around other people. but thats me. I know plenty of people who can be stoned and still socialise.
I do think it should definatly be legalised

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