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Broadband in N.W. ?...

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  • Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 19,141 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    Yeah, I am contemplating moving to IBB when my 6 month contract with Eircom ends (though unlike BT, Eircom actually gave me a service, but that's another story :mad:)

    OT, I noticed this morning and this evening on way home again from work, that there is works going on on the hill on Ballybofey road (Tullybrack or something?) up where the ESB substation is. From what I could see in the dark, they seem to have erected a mast with a ladder up it. Dunno if it's for FWA or some ESB thingy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,429 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    byte wrote:
    .......the hill on Ballybofey road (Tullybrack or something?) up where the ESB substation is. d a mast with a ladder up it.
    Lurgybrack


  • Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 19,141 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    muffler wrote:
    Lurgybrack
    Yes, thanks for that! I knew it had brack somewhere! :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭Louise77


    Hi
    I live in Muff, Donegal...does anyone know of any broadband supplier for this village (actually what exhange is it) I've been reading about NWE - are they any good???
    Cheers folks


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 254 ✭✭jimmeh


    From traveling through muff recently i noticed the renault garage there has a wireless antenna pointing towards derry, i know NTR operates around that area from sheriffs mountain.

    In relation to the mast at lurgybrack that belongs to ESB from what ive heard, no equipment on it yet, from look at it today.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    isn't there not DSL already in Letterkenny?
    but wireless technology will hit off in the north west in a while i'd say since the Intel Wimax tests were promising a while back up there so perhaps it will encourage ISP's to develop wireless there


  • Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 19,141 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    Jakkass wrote:
    isn't there not DSL already in Letterkenny?
    but wireless technology will hit off in the north west in a while i'd say since the Intel Wimax tests were promising a while back up there so perhaps it will encourage ISP's to develop wireless there
    Yes, there is indeed DSL in Letterkenny, I'm using it now. Though as I don't use the phone, I don't like paying extra for my line rental so I'll be reassessing my options once my 6 month contract expires.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,479 ✭✭✭✭philologos


    In a few months time I'd say there will be a lot more choice in Letterkenny too


  • Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 19,141 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    There is a fair bit of choice already in Letterkenny (compared to elsewhere in the county)

    For wireless, there's the choice of Digiweb, IBB, and from what I gather, North West wireless soon

    I don't know if the phone exchange has been unbundled to BT or Smart (or any other)?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 254 ✭✭jimmeh


    Smart are supposidly unbundling the letterkenny exchange this week or next, althought, they've been saying this since may...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,938 ✭✭✭dingding


    I know a couple of people using this service in the Sligo area and they recommend it. Coverage in Sligo Town, Rosses Point and Strandhill.

    http://fastcom.ie
    :)


  • Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 19,141 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    jimmeh wrote:
    Smart are supposidly unbundling the letterkenny exchange this week or next, althought, they've been saying this since may...
    Oooh, that might be an option for me when my 6 month broadband contract with Eircom expires...

    I hope they unbundle soon! :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 254 ✭✭jimmeh


    fingers cross byte, 2048/256 will be nice alright :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 172 ✭✭roykeane16


    wish it would hurry up and come2 manorhamilton


  • Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 19,141 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    Yeah! Though I believe Eircom are possible speeding up their upload in the next few months. Will have to wait and see. With any luck, they'll put upload up to 512, which is the least it SHOULD be on 2mbit! :(


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  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭bettlebrox


    I'm trying to get internet access at my mother's house in Donegal Town. Eircom's website says DSL is available for her number.

    I'm considering either BT or Eircom (and leaning towards BT).

    UTV isn't an option as it seems that you have to convert the phoneline to them too, and the mammy wouldn't want that.

    BT seem cheaper, faster, and a higher bandwidth cap. Any opinions about BT? Are they reliable? Does the connect go down often?

    The only thing I don't like about BT is that I think they are a crowd of b@st@rds. They're the ones who tried to claim they had a patent on hyperlinks:
    http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,37095,00.html

    But, Eircom's charges seem too high and the bandwidth cap too low.

    Thoughts?


  • Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 19,141 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    Hmm, it's a tough one. Bear in mind, for some of BTs prices, you need to transfer all charges to them also, same as UTV. Not sure what their stand-alone DSL charges are, if any.

    I tried to sign up with BT when I moved from Ballintra (still no DSL after many promises), to Letterkenny. It took them 2 weeks to tell me they wouldn't give me DSL, so I had to opt for Eircom. When I rang them, I told the rep that their Home Starter was poor, and the cap on Home Plus wasn't great, so she offered me Business Starter instead! Business Starter is 2Mbit/128Kbit with 20GB cap (BT's similar offering BB+ has 24GB cap).

    Maybe ring both anyway, to see what they will offer you. And take a peek on the Broadband forum too for assistance.

    I'll probably switch to Smart whenever they unbundle Letterkenny exchange (next week or two apparently) and my Eircom contract expires.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 172 ✭✭roykeane16


    will that apply to the dialup service2 or just bb


  • Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 19,141 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    Actually, on reading BT's website, I think you can get DSL (and "Flatrate") without having to transfer line rental etc to BT (they just give a special offer if you do).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,429 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    byte wrote:
    Bear in mind, for some of BTs prices, you need to transfer all charges to them also, same as UTV. Not sure what their stand-alone DSL charges are, if any................Maybe ring both anyway, to see what they will offer you. And take a peek on the Broadband forum too for assistance..
    Fully agree. I am with Bt Ireland and I have to say that they are much cheaper than Eircom, at least they were 3 or 4 months ago. But that is with them providing all - phone, line rental and broadband.

    As byte says give them all a ring and check out their deals but having done that I would still look for confirmation of what they tell you by checking out the written details on their website.
    I sent BT an email a few days ago asking how much extra per month it would cost to upgrade to broadband plus (2mb) and they told me €15. I then checked the website and discovered it was only €10. When contacted they just said sorry and agreed with me.

    Have a look here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=305341 mostly about phone lines/calls though

    BT are a shower of hand shakers all right but I have such a good deal with them that I would be biting off my nose to spite my face to leave them now.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭bettlebrox


    byte wrote:
    Actually, on reading BT's website, I think you can get DSL (and "Flatrate") without having to transfer line rental etc to BT (they just give a special offer if you do).

    At the moment it looks like they have a deal on their Broadband+ for 25e a month for the 1st 4 months, then 40e a month after that. Need to sign for a 6 month contract. So I may do that, then drop it down to the cheapest plan after the 6 months.

    Any ideas how reliable the connection is? The Ma's ill and I'm planning on coming home for a month to help her, but it all hinges on getting reliable & fast BB at her house so I can still work.

    Any reason why I should consider Eircom over BT?

    I'm in Amerika it's a wee bit hard to phone BT or Eircom them and ask questions about this so I'll have to do it all online.

    Oh, and thanks for the advise! :D


  • Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 19,141 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    Well, I don't hear too much issues regarding BT Broadband, as they're basically reselling Eircom bitstream. However, they are well renowned for their absolutely woeful billing department! So, just something to bear in mind.

    If you do consider Eircom BB, ask to get Business Starter, as it's on a special offer, and has a much better cap allowance than any home packages. Their service also comes with a free Netopia wireless router.

    So, BT is cheaper, but dodgy customer care.
    Eircom are ludicrously expensive, but a slightly better router! :)

    Other than that, email Smart Broadband, and ask if they have any plans to unbundle exchange in Donegal Town. Their current package is 2Mbit for €35 with free line rental.

    It is however unlikely that they'll be unbundling Donegal exchange for at least 6 months or more.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 254 ✭✭jimmeh


    i dont think that smart intend to go anywere near towns that dont have a MAN, no way of linking back to theres network otherwise.


  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭bettlebrox


    byte wrote:
    If you do consider Eircom BB, ask to get Business Starter, as it's on a special offer, and has a much better cap allowance than any home packages. Their service also comes with a free Netopia wireless router.

    The Wifi router would be nice, but looking at Eircom's description for it, it looks like it doesn't have any regular network jacks ... I think I'm going to go for BT, let's hope I don't have to deal with customer service ...


  • Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 19,141 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    bettlebrox wrote:
    The Wifi router would be nice, but looking at Eircom's description for it, it looks like it doesn't have any regular network jacks ... I think I'm going to go for BT, let's hope I don't have to deal with customer service ...
    The one they sent me, and the only one they actually use AFAIK, has 4 network ports, as well as the wireless antenna.

    But yea, if BT don't screw you around, they're probably the cheapest you'll get in Donegal Town.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 254 ✭✭jimmeh


    I contacted smart today, 2 more weeks they said, then i rang IBB and they said 2 weeks aswell, the race is on, but i bet that in 2 weeks time, it'll be 2 more weeks and so on.


  • Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 19,141 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    jimmeh wrote:
    I contacted smart today, 2 more weeks they said, then i rang IBB and they said 2 weeks aswell, the race is on, but i bet that in 2 weeks time, it'll be 2 more weeks and so on.
    Are you referring to Letterkenny?

    If so, IBB had sent me an email over a month or 2 ago, saying their FWA service was available in LKY. As for Smart, Garfield Connolly said he'd post on the Broadband forum when LKY exchange was unbundled.

    I'm stuck with Eircom for another few months, so it won't make a lot of difference to me just yet.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 254 ✭✭jimmeh


    Yes i am referring to letterkenny, IBB's fwa may be installed in the town but they are waiting for enough people to be signed up before sending engineers up from dublin, 3-4 weeks according to them compaired fixed liner operators it's kind of bad. Smart keep leading people on about eta's and never meeting them, I know they have issues with eircom and llu, at least thats a decent excuse, I dont know how digiweb are on install times cant be worse than IBB's legendary customer support.


  • Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 19,141 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    Ah, I would have thought they would have had an engineer or two to cover the North West, or a sector of the country.

    By that way of going, if somebody in LKY with IBB has a breakdown, you could wait weeks for others to have problems, which woudl warrant an engineer coming up.

    Very half-hearted by that means. I'd rather go with Smarts' LLU if any.


  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭bettlebrox


    So I've been doing me sums on BT vs Eircom and I think Eircom works out cheaper on a 6 month plan. (Just a lower DL cap). Tell me what you think:

    Eircom Home Plus:
    6 x 43.35 inc Vat per month = 260.10
    9.99e installation fee (if order before dec 9th)
    Free wireless router (value about 50e or more?)

    So Eircom work out to about: 270e for 6 months, minus the cost of the router, that's about 220e. And I presume you get to keep the router.

    BT Plus:
    25e first 4 months = 100
    40e per month for 2 months = 80
    50e installation fee.

    For 6 months BT work out to be: 230e. But, I don't think their prices don't include VAT which may mean this will be more than 230e.

    Alternatively, there is the Eircom broadband business starter. Which has the same specs as the Home Plus, but a higher DL cap (20GB vs 16GB) and the prices are quoted w/o VAT.

    I'm starting to think that Eircom may be the way to go (for the first 6 months). Any thoughts on this?

    Any idea can I sign up for the Business Broadband on a Residental line? Would it affect the line rental?

    Maybe I should post this to a groups that just talks about broadband?


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  • Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 19,141 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    I'm on a residential line and have Business Starter. They offered me Business Starter because I told them Home Starter was too slow, and Home Plus too deare for such a small cap.

    They did however mention that current Bus. Starter prices are to go back up to their "normal" prices in April IIRC. Best checking this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 46,429 ✭✭✭✭muffler


    bettlebrox wrote:
    For 6 months BT work out to be: 230e. But, I don't think their prices don't include VAT which may mean this will be more than 230e.
    I think the prices given by all the ISP'S are inclusive of VAT.

    Dont forget about the cost to call technical support if you hit a spot of bother.
    It is local call rate with BTireland but at one time it was something like 35 cents a minute with Eircom. Dont know what they charge now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭bettlebrox


    byte wrote:
    I'm on a residential line and have Business Starter. They offered me Business Starter because I told them Home Starter was too slow, and Home Plus too deare for such a small cap.
    Good, I was worried that if one got the Bus. starter they'd try and make the phone line a business line too.
    byte wrote:
    They did however mention that current Bus. Starter prices are to go back up to their "normal" prices in April IIRC. Best checking this.
    Thanks for pointing that out, on the bottom of the page describing Bus. Starter it says this:
    Offer will apply to all orders placed by 9/12/05. The monthly rental of €35 (ex. VAT) business starter will apply until 31/03/06. Promotional price applies to 1st time broadband connections only. After 31/03/06, monthly rental of €45 (ex. VAT) apply. Once-off connection fee of €8.26 (ex. VAT) applies to self-instal orders only.

    So that means the last 2 months of the 6 month contract (if I signed up now) would be about 50e per month. Which means it would still be marginally cheaper than BT (because of the free router).

    So Eircom provides a free WiFi router which isn't a bad deal. Do they also include the DSL modem? I noticed that BT provide a modem with a free rental. Now if Eircom threw in the Modem and ye could keep it after the 6 months then that would be worth it. (2 pieces of free hardware worth 150e - 200e)

    Anyone know how difficult it is to cancel service or change it after the end of the contract?


  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭bettlebrox


    I just ordered Eircom's Business Starter Broadband.

    I did this because it includes the wifi router/modem and because it has a bigger bandwidth cap than their regular Home Plus service. (I'm worried that I'd use up all the bandwidth VPN'ing to work if I got their home BB).

    Now the funny thing about ordering it was that they didn't send me a confirmation e-mail? Are they going to be phoning to confirm the order?

    Now, the mammy is a OAP and get's free line rental. Ordering the Business BB shouldn't affect that?

    I'll try and keep U all updated on how things go and my expierence with Eircom goes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,797 ✭✭✭Paddy20


    The fact that your mother is receiving 'Free line rental' should not have any negative effect on your receiving Eircom's 'Business starter' broadband package, remember they are a business and the more you spend with them, the happier they will be.;)

    P.:cool:


  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭bettlebrox


    Paddy20 wrote:
    The fact that your mother is receiving 'Free line rental' should not have any negative effect on your receiving Eircom's 'Business starter' broadband package, remember they are a business and the more you spend with them, the happier they will be.;)

    P.:cool:

    Cheers Paddy! :)

    The only thing that bothers me about all this, is the friggin cost. At the moment I live in Boston and I get 3mb/768k with no cap for about $33 which is about 28e.

    Here (Boston) they're complaining about that being slow compared to Japan & Korea. From what I've read about Eircom, is that they've done what they've can to hinder broadband rollout to protect their profits (or so some folk have claimed). But, with all the new competition in Ireland at the moment BB is getting cheaper, and will hopefully get much cheaper and faster in the not so distant future.

    But, I can't complain too much as I'll be able to spend more time with me Mum than I've done in years (as getting BB will allow me to work from Donegal for a bit).


  • Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 19,141 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    Aye, broadband, and any phone service, is expensive in Ireland.

    It'll be a fair drop from 3mbit/768k down to 2mbit/128k! The 128k upload is dreadful for a 2mbit DSL line. One hopes that will change soon.

    EDIT: Just read this on IOffL:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054853117

    Speed increases across the board, with upspeed being a minimum of 256k from January.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,797 ✭✭✭Paddy20


    beetlebrox,

    Your assumption about Eircom is unfortunately 'spot on', they have done everything possible to stifle competition, and the main loser has been 'Joe Public'.

    Personally I do not use €irCoN, I am with U.TV Clicksilver Broadband and telephony package. Click on :- www.utvclicksilver.com/
    for details of their packages, plus the link that 'byte' posted above is worth studying. IOFFL i.e. IrelandOffline is a pressure group that has achieved an enormous amount in obtaining a better deal for Irish internet users.

    Good luck.

    P.:cool:


  • Registered Users Posts: 161 ✭✭bettlebrox


    So I placed the order on Monday night. The order page has me set up an online account.

    Now I'm not sure is was the friggin' order, because I've received no confirmation e-mail nor a confirmation number and there seems to be no way to check on their site on the status of an order ... :confused: ... so yesterday I went to the customer services section of the site and entered a support request about this. If I don't hear anything by tomorrow I'll get someone at home to phone them, but I'm thinking that BT is winning me business. :mad:

    Paddy: UTV is a good suggestion, but as this is me Mum's phone line I don't want to muck with it too much. Maybe if I can get her surfing she can suss out whom to change the phone line to herself. :D


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  • Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 19,141 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    Only issue with UTV is that they are very strict on the cap, whereas Eircom and BT are more lenient (for now at least)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,797 ✭✭✭Paddy20


    beetlebrox,

    Your mothers telephone 'line rental' is currently automatically paid to Eircom by the DSCFA (Longford), but the line rental payment will be transferred to whichever ISP you sign up with.

    One advantage with UTV Talk is the *FREE OFFPEAK 'Local,National & UK' calls, plus cheaper onpeak national & international charges.

    Paddy :cool: .


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 254 ✭✭jimmeh


    anyone in letterkenny switch to smart yet, id like to see what there service is like before making a switch!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 121 ✭✭irishpal25


    i was supposed to get IBB installed on Friday but the weather was too bad and its now supposed to be installed this friday. does anyone here out the ramelton road (golf course road) have IBB?


  • Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 19,141 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    Don't have IBB myself, but will be interested to know what the IBB service is like in Letterkenny. I know it's bad in Dublin anyway, looking at the Broadband forum.

    Keep us updated on the install and quality of service! I've 2 months left on my Eircom contract, then I'll have to choose between Digiweb, IBB, Smart or that North West FWA operator.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 121 ✭✭irishpal25


    ****ing **** rang up there saying tis too wet "heatlh and safty" told em to **** off getting smart instead!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 254 ✭✭jimmeh


    A friend of mine at the bottom of the town had the guys out from IBB (polich nationals i believe) who would go onto the roof to intall the antenna due to a damaged pole on the chimney stack, another friend at the bottom of the golf course road is 83 metres outside the coverage cone of IBB and digiweb.

    As for smart they keep loosing orders...

    None of the above companies after instilling any confidence in potiential customers here in letterkenny.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 448 ✭✭towbar


    waited 3 months for Digiweb outside Letterkenny earlier this year and eventually gave up and cancelled the order. Anybody else use Digiweb here?


  • Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 19,141 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    irishpal25 wrote:
    ****ing **** rang up there saying tis too wet "heatlh and safty" told em to **** off getting smart instead!
    To be fair, if the weather was bad, you wouldnt expect them to climb your roof would you?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 121 ✭✭irishpal25


    the first week the weather was too bad, but last week it wasnt, it was hardly even damp. anyway smart are giving me a great deal so im happy. :D


  • Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 19,141 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    Fair enough.

    I'd like to go wireless, but it always seems that the wired kind is more reliable anyway. I just dread the downtime. I guess I'd be offline a month or so, which would be unbearable for me! :(


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