Am i racist?

LegacyUser · 14-06-2002 6:32pm #1

I started a job 3 weeks ago in a warehouse. The company i work for rely heavily on agency workers. Their own staff are mainly Irish, English and Scotlish, and are a great bunch to work with. It's the agency workers i detess. They are mainly eastern Europeans. They are a horrible disrepectful bunch of ****. We deal with food and it's plain to see that they get off on throwing the food around, misplacing orders, spitting it has put me off eating food from the store we distribute too. They look after themselves and no one else. They get all the handy jobs, they get the best of machinery, Why? cos if they don't get it they'd throw the "you are a racist" in your face.

I've began to react to them, telling them to f-off, not talking to them, ignoring them, i've even come close to hitting one for nearly running me over in his MHE.

It has nothing to do with where they are from or the colour of their skin. It's cos they are a bunch of argorant bastards and if anyone is racist it's them.

azezil · 14-06-2002 7:01pm

I'm of the opinion that everyone is racist, whether they are aware of it or not. Its human nature to be wary of those that are different to yourself, the only thing wrong with it is when or if you act in a negitive manner against the other person.

Mills · 14-06-2002 7:01pm

It has nothing to do with where they are from or the colour of their skin. It's cos they are a bunch of argorant bastards and if anyone is racist it's them

Um, then why are you asking in the topic if you're racist?

You're not being racist for disliking the agency workers for acting like that, but you're being racist if you start to hate all eastern europeans because of your contact with those ones.

Kim Tae-Woo · 14-06-2002 7:06pm

Take two Irish guys same haircut same face same religion but one is kind and polite while the other behaves like an ignorant Sham.

Which one Will I dislike?
The Sham of course.

It's all about behaviour!

If some one behaves like a scumbag or a sham then you have the right to be suspicious and warry of these @ssholes.

Mercury_Tilt · 14-06-2002 8:44pm

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Caesar_Bojangle · 14-06-2002 9:27pm

Everyone is racist in one way or another, the problem lies with lack of understanding and proper edgeamcation.

My friend who is black assumes if someone dislikes him its for the reason that he is black, not that he can be a complete and utter gobsh**t half the time.

Mercury_Tilt · 14-06-2002 10:18pm

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Shinji · 14-06-2002 10:32pm

Everyone is racist in one way or another

This is utter rubbish. I can quite honestly say that I have NEVER even considered discriminating against someone on the grounds of their racial background.

There are lots of groups of people I disapprove of or dislike, and lots of practices carried out by certain types of people which I don't like, but I would never make a judgement on someone based purely on the colour of their skin or the shape of their eyes.

Dustaz · 14-06-2002 10:56pm

but he would judge someone on the size of certain other equipment.

RACIST!!!

bugler · 14-06-2002 11:15pm

The original post speaks volumes about the "unregistered" poster. For a start, if everything you say is true, why did you post as 'unregistered'? Then we get some tell tale signs that all is not well in this persons mind. We learn that these workers: a) Are disrespectful. This could well be grounds for action by your management. If they are disrespectful towards them too, then I'm surprised they haven't been sacked. b) They 'mess' around with the food. Again, this would have to be considered serious, and possibly grounds for dismissal. c) They get all the handy jobs and d) They get all the best machinery.

This is classic begrudgery/nonsense. It's like those people in glasgow (and numerous other places) where the local working class people(and a fine amount of scum that was among them too) were whining about Kurdish refugees getting free furniture, free cars, free money!! Being jealous of the only people who have less than you is not in the least bit admirable. I had no idea being an immigrant was such an easy life. The easiest jobs, with the best conditions?! Sod that, I'm going looking for a job tomorrow posing as Petar Nickabolockov, sounds like a sweet deal. Do you think if I put "born in Budapest" on my CV my job prospects will improve? Either you have possibly the most gullible, soft and incompetent management team, or else (more likely) you're spinning a whole web of yarns. And if that's the case, then the answer to your question is most likely "yes".

l3rian · 14-06-2002 11:31pm

rise above their $hit

what food store is this? i would post it, its only a job and nobody will know

imp · 15-06-2002 12:43am

Unregistered, if you want to know are you racist or not, ask yourself this: "if an Eastern-European person walked up to me in the street, would I assume that he was a 'horrible, disrespectful wanker' and would I ignore them or tell them to '**** off'?"

If you answered yes, then I'm afraid yes you are a racist.

}:>

azezil · 15-06-2002 10:58am

To people who think they're not racist:

Definition:

Racism is an ideology that gives expression to myths about other racial and ethnic groups, that devalues and renders inferior those groups, that reflects and is perpetuated by deeply rooted historical, social, cultural and power inequalities in society.

Racist attitudes and beliefs are misconceptions about people based on perceived racial lines and are often founded on the fear of difference, including differences in customs, values, religion, physical appearance and ways of living and viewing the world. This includes negative attitudes towards the use of different languages, 'foreign' accents or the use of non-standard variations of a dominant community language.

You're telling me you never have any preconcetions about people based on their appearance? oh come on...

amp · 15-06-2002 11:01am

Everybody I meet has a clean slate to me regardless of who they are, what colour they are etc.. Even other peoples opinions of them I take with a pinch of salt. It's down to personal experience for me.

Bard · 15-06-2002 12:05pm

Originally posted by azezil
I'm of the opinion that everyone is racist, whether they are aware of it or not. Its human nature to be wary of those that are different to yourself, the only thing wrong with it is when or if you act in a negitive manner against the other person.

That's complete and utter bollocks. I can also say in all honesty that I have never even thought about discriminating against anyone because of their race, creed or colour.

You're telling me you never have any preconcetions about people based on their appearance? oh come on...

Yes. Believe it or not some people can be like that. Anyone I meet I see as just a person. Colour is irrelevant. Experience and time are what build impressions of people.

Mercury_Tilt · 15-06-2002 12:24pm

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azezil · 15-06-2002 12:53pm

Well I don't differentiate between racism and prejudging a person based on appearance. Racism, in my view isn’t restrict it to race, colour, creed, social or religious background either.

By your definition I'm not racist, by mine I am, I treat everyone the same no matter what they look like, but that doesn't mean I don't judge people on their appearance, of course I do. (went to a seminar about this, made me feel like shit

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Mills · 15-06-2002 2:41pm

I treat everyone the same no matter what they look like, but that doesn't mean I don't judge people on their appearance, of course I do.

That sounds to me like you're saying one thing, followed by the complete opposite.

How can you treat everyone the same no matter what they look like and judge people on their appearance?

Everybody I meet has a clean slate to me regardless of who they are, what colour they are etc.. Even other peoples opinions of them I take with a pinch of salt. It's down to personal experience for me.

Same for me.

I think a lot of people don't think of themselves as racist because they don't hurl insults at people of different skin colour to themselves at every opportunity and that it's ok to think less of someone because of their skin colour as long as you don't make it obvious or act on it..... to me that's racist too.

azezil · 15-06-2002 2:53pm

Originally posted by Mills
That sounds to me like you're saying one thing, followed by the complete opposite.

How can you treat everyone the same no matter what they look like and judge people on their appearance?

I may treat everyone the same but I still fell apprehension when dealing with certain members of the community, for example travelers. I try not to let my mistrust be seen but its still there.

pat kenny · 15-06-2002 3:31pm

I was doin some shoppin in my local tesco recently when I rounded a corner and was face to face with A muslim lady in one of those big black shroud things.One of the really freaky ones with only a slit for the eyes.Now Looking at this woman and her berdy husband I thought "I wouldnt want these peoples religion influencing the way my country is run" now in Ireland its not such a big problem because there arnt too many muslims but this is exsactly the point that Pim Fortane in holland was talking about.

Now does it make me a racist if I think their religion is bull and I don't want it influencing my country?
Notably I don't think any lower of the people themselfs just what they believe.

JarJar blinks · 15-06-2002 11:58pm

Are you racist?

No but Azezil and Amp are PURE Racists

Zaphod B · 16-06-2002 12:15am

:O I for one am shocked... everyone is discriminating against "tossers". What harm did excessive masturbators ever do? Except to themselves of course

Seriously though, it's pretty simple stuff. I know a guy. He is a complete and utter gob****e. He's also Iranian. I assume he is a gob****e because he is a gob****e, maybe because he's spoilt or maybe because he's ignorant, I don't know why. If I assumed he was a gob****e because he's Iranian, then I would be a racist.

Another case, I had my bike nicked about a year back by an unwashed man in an unwashed van (according to witnesses at least). I told one guy about it and he blamed "travellers". Now he might have been a traveller or he might have been a Martian for all I cared, to me the point was he was a thieving bastard and he had my bike, and THAT is why I wanted to perform a sex change on him with blunt rusty tools :mad:

Some people would say if you have to ask yourself "Am I a racist" then you clearly are. I disagree. IMO it's better to keep asking yourself "could I be better?" than to sit on a high horse assuming you're already the best. Because the higher the horse, the longer the fall

Zaphod B · 16-06-2002 12:33am

Originally posted by JarJar blinks
Are you racist?

No but Azezil and Amp are PURE Racists

Sorry to post again but had to say this. From what I can tell in this thread Azezil is just cynical. For "pure" racists (an oxymoron if ever there was one) you should come over here and see what the :mad: BNP :mad: is up to

CodeMonkey · 16-06-2002 1:13am

Originally posted by Zaphod B

Sorry to post again but had to say this. From what I can tell in this thread Azezil is just cynical. For "pure" racists (an oxymoron if ever there was one) you should come over here and see what the :mad: BNP :mad: is up to

Yeah, I don't think azezil is a racist and he has a point. We all discriminate people one time or the other by categorising people and it's hard not to do it. Azezil is just more honest about it than normal people. Using an extreme example, most people would not sleep with a beautiful woman if they find out she's a prostitute. Why discriminate a woman based on her profession when you hardly know her or if she carries any STDs. Sure the risk is higher because of what you know about prostitutes but if every eastern european you've meant are what you're consider a prick because of different social etiquette then chances are, the next eastern european person you meet is also a just as offensive to you. We treat people based on our experiences with similiar people and a lot of the times not as individuals until we get to know someone. We don't live in a utopian society where everyone treat each other equally, that's just life.

amen · 16-06-2002 1:32am

interesting point Pat Kenny.

but what about the Catholic churchs influence on Irish Society or the great irish export...missionaries.

For years we have sent them off to Africa, Asia etc. They probally view RCs like we view muslims.

Caesar_Bojangle · 16-06-2002 1:41am

My friend was eating and had some food on his face so my friend said to him you have some sh*t on your face ( he didnt mean it in a racist manner, he was being friendly trying to tell him he had some dirt on his face as he'd say to anyone of us) but because my friend is black, he started accusing him of being racist.

Its remarks like that which are not meant to be interpreted as racist, which turn out to be so because people want them to be. Its because the world has become so politically correct that you can nearly accuse anyone of racism.

Bare in mind if a black guy walked up to you and called you a white bast**d go back to white land, you probably would take no offense but laugh it off. If you were in a minority of white people living in a black majority in Nigeria you would think about it more. We feel most vulnerable to comments like these when we are the minority.

I would never condone racism but if i was to call you a fat big eared bast**d, there would be much less ado about it than if i made a comment about your skin colour or culture. I remember when i lived in England my mates would slag for being an Irish Catholic but it never bothered me because thats what we did, the same way we would slag the fat guy of the group or the jehovah and even even the german would be called a nazi.

We just need to be more openminded and dont assume someone is a blazing racist because they say a certain thing.

NeRb666 · 16-06-2002 3:36am

You're judging these people by their behaviour and character...I don't see how racism is an issue in all of this. End of story.

Bard · 16-06-2002 3:57am

At least Azezil is being honest about his feelings and his misguided predjudice. I, for one, am glad to be able to go along with what amp said and give everyone a clean slate regardless of colour, creed or race.

pat kenny · 16-06-2002 4:13am

Yeah true enough I dont like the way the old Catholic church has is claws dug into the way the country is run either.But I just get a bit freaked by htem women in de veils.Sorta like them scary bald women out of the film Dune.

bugler · 16-06-2002 10:53am

I'm not in favour of religion having any hold over the state whatsoever, whether it be Christianity. The state should be entirely secular. And Ireland should guarantee the freedoms of those who live in it, so if a Muslim woman wants to wear the veil thats fine, and we should accept it, and if she doesn't then it should be seen to that she isn't coerced into doing so.

LegacyUser · 16-06-2002 11:08am

Originally posted by Caesar_Bojangle
Its remarks like that which are not meant to be interpreted as racist, which turn out to be so because people want them to be. Its because the world has become so politically correct that you can nearly accuse anyone of racism.

True... only the other week one of the founders of the Anti-Nazi League was accused of racism! Simply because he pointed out that some of the Muslim community in the UK does not want to integrate but wants segregation, and this could be used by either white racists of the BNP variety or Muslim fundamentalist recruiters of the Al-Quaeda variety to divide the communities even more. So the guy who worked hard for years to end racism speaks the truth and gets accused of racism by politicians who want to further their careers by pointing the finger at anyone... I for one am in favour of an end to racism but we should take our lead from people who actually give a sh!t, not from politicians attempting to emulate Senator Joe McCarthy.

azezil · 16-06-2002 11:35am

Originally posted by Bard
At least Azezil is being honest about his feelings and his misguided predjudice. I, for one, am glad to be able to go along with what amp said and give everyone a clean slate regardless of colour, creed or race.

I do give everyone a clean slate, I know its wrong to categorize people based on previous experiences with one member of that community/ background etc., and I don't but I’m just saying that when you first meet someone, for the first time, you judge them based on their appearance, and if they speak with an accent you associate that accent with a specific region or social background and that too adds to your impression.

Is there a difference between racism and predjudice? I don't think so, that's the point I'm trying to make.

Borzoi · 18-06-2002 5:09pm

So, is it ok to hate the French then?;)

Paladin · 19-06-2002 1:11am

If I was walking through a city at night and I saw a bunch of "dodgy lookin characters" down a dark alley I would avoid them. So would almost anyone. This is out of fear. However, technically this is prejudice. I wouldnt give a flying fuk what race they were, if they looked dodgy I would keep the fuk away.

This is not racism because it is not based upon skin colour.
I see nothing wrong with this. It is common sense as far as I am concerned.

I doubt anyone that says they dont have *any* preconceptions of people based on appearance are telling the truth, (or at least dont realize they arent) but I do believe that people can have no preconceptions about race. Its a completely different thing.

A well dressed suit-wearing person of any race will not cause me to avoid them cause I am afraid of having the sh1t kicked outta me. As far as race goes Im not particularly worried. Appearance is different.

My belief, there are assholes everywhere.

Venom · 19-06-2002 1:40pm

Im not racist as I hate everyone equaly.

Borzoi - everyone hates the French so its ok

Beruthiel · 19-06-2002 1:45pm

"everyone hates the French so its ok"

I'll tell Jeff you said that then, shall I Venom?????

Venom · 19-06-2002 1:49pm

Go on I dare ya

Hairy Homer · 19-06-2002 2:09pm

Originally posted by Mercury_Tilt

Its always arse when You have to go to a dictionary.

Just maybe my definition of racism is different? Is that allowed?

Of course it bloody well isn't. You can't just go around ascribing different meanings to words that the rest of us may know the real definitions of.

It's like the old Monty Python sketch about the Hungarian English dictionary, where 'Can you tell me the way to the railway station please?' was translated as 'Please fondle my buttocks'.

Don't be silly.

photty · 19-06-2002 2:16pm

Originally posted by pat kenny
I was doin some shoppin in my local tesco recently when I rounded a corner and was face to face with A muslim lady in one of those big black shroud things.One of the really freaky ones with only a slit for the eyes.Now Looking at this woman and her berdy husband I thought "I wouldnt want these peoples religion influencing the way my country is run" now in Ireland its not such a big problem because there arnt too many muslims but this is exsactly the point that Pim Fortane in holland was talking about.

Now does it make me a racist if I think their religion is bull and I don't want it influencing my country?
Notably I don't think any lower of the people themselfs just what they believe.

quite an amazing display of ignorance. so i assume you have actually spent time learning and reading about islam then? What the hell does "these people" mean anyway. Did you ever have a conversation with either the man or woman in question? What do you even know about them. You need to broaden you're horizons beyond this pìssy little island of ours.

darthmise · 19-06-2002 2:30pm

Yes you are racist. <- Thats a full stop.

smalltalker · 19-06-2002 2:32pm

Originally posted by CodeMonkey
Using an extreme example, most people would not sleep with a beautiful woman if they find out she's a prostitute.

And with good reason I would think.

It's okay to discriminate, you know. There are just some reasons that are acceptable and others that aren't.

Venom · 20-06-2002 9:19am

Originally posted by CodeMonkey
Using an extreme example, most people would not sleep with a beautiful woman if they find out she's a prostitute.

That's not being a racist in any way,its just common sence for many reasion's like not breaking the law or not wanting to risk a sexualy transmitted disease infection.If people want to act in a way that is unaccepatble in both a moral and legal way in todays sociaty then can't be allowed to play the racism card.If you are a thug,slut,junkie or generial bad seed then you can't call people with genuine common sense rasist.

The whole problem these day's is the world is gone to PC and no matter how you act you could be considered a racist.A few year's back during my fibber's day's I encounters a dude call Stevo.Now no one in my circle of friends liked Stevo for many different reasions.He was a leech.He was always on the mooch for money or free pints or ciggies or a place to crash.He would casualy walk up to people he knew and drink out of the glass's or take a ciggie from there pack with out asking.He was pretty much an unpleasent type whom nobody wanted around and these were very easy going and generious people for the best part.

Now he copped on no one wanted him around and smeged off.But the gas thing is that Stevo was black and started to tell everyone we were all racist's.He even wrote an about us in the Big Issue and it was printed and later retracted by the editor as a good deal of the above mentioned people worked for the Big Issue at the time and told the editor what the score was.

Stevo was not liked being he was a scumbag and not because he was black but because he was black he was able to play the race card.This is just messed up.Just because you are white/black/brown/yellow does not mean you are a nice person and if if you act like a scumbucket and people treat you in a fitting manner then the reasion is not racism and you are at fault not everyone else in the country/world.

Mercury_Tilt · 20-06-2002 2:59pm

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The Gopher · 20-06-2002 7:03pm

IMO it doesnt matter what race you are,theres a certain proportion of people that are criminally slanted.Take 30 boys you went to school with and count how mny have been in trouble with the law,or should have been if the guards could be arsed catching them.Id come up with between 5-10 people.Of about 10-12 people i know of a different colour about 2 of them are people who have or will be in legal trouble.It doesnt matter what your race is-there are criminbals in equal proportions in all races.True some blacks arent to be trusted for a second,but the fact is that theres an equal amount of irish not to be trusted for a second.

The Gopher · 20-06-2002 11:46pm

Originally posted by Unregistered
Ahh discrimination, one of the propitious and captious inclements of life. The vexillology behind this quorum is abscond and the desultory aestival of racism is sublunary and multifarious, although in an ebullient situation, this may not be the irascible case.

Some peoples racial prejudices are provoked by those who dont speak english.............See what im getting at?Firstly an inclement is a mathmatical term,so where does it come in?Second-Ebullient means joyous.Pardonb Mouseoouir?Irasicible?Whos irascible?What the flying **** are you talking about you muppet????Its probably you that has caused the considerations to close the unregistered option:rolleyes:

ykt0di9url7bc3 · 21-06-2002 8:21pm

Originally posted by smalltalker

It's okay to discriminate, you know. There are just some reasons that are acceptable and others that aren't.

yeah thats a problem cause reasons are the cause of all racism, people find reasons to allow them to be cruel, sadistic and evil

there is a lot of hard working women in holland and germany that would think so bad of you for that statement....

THERE IS NO REASON IN THE WORLD TO BE HORRIBLE TO A PERSON
(i find revenge a reason...)

JacquesPompidou · 23-06-2002 9:16pm

-Racist comments removed-

Megatron · 26-06-2002 12:24pm

Originally posted by Mercury_Tilt

I like to define racism as colour based...and all that it entails.

I shelve the rest of it under prejudice.

sorry but it is racsim.... having worked with the irish in england in a few projects ( T.V. documentry) it is racism that was one of the biggest things when ppl did complain they were very often told that it can't be racial abuse because they are white !!!! that has to be the biggest load of panic romm tapes (crap or whatever you'd like to call it) i have ever heard. if someone is different to you in say religous, country, skin colour or anything like that and you discriminate against them all of them regardless of how long or well you know them then yes you are a racist.

me i always try and TRY is the word to keep an open mind .... my parents are not what you would call tolerent so i try to be ... however if i ever meet anouther person from Meath !!!!! :mad:

Hairy Homer · 26-06-2002 1:13pm

Originally posted by Mercury_Tilt

If I may respond…….
Now that’s a load of bollix Homer.

“quote.. You can't just go around ascribing different meanings to words that the rest of us may know the real definitions of.”

I said definition.

"A statement conveying fundamental character.
A statement of the meaning of a word, phrase, or term, as in a dictionary entry.
The act or process of stating a precise meaning or significance; formulation of a meaning. "

I did not ascribe a different meaning to the word…I suggested that it meant different things to different people. Yet still staying within is basic meaning. Aezie is having a fair old stab at that.

By aezie..
“You're telling me you never have any preconceptions about people based on their appearance?”

Of course I have. You want to see some of the twats who came into an interview in Jeans!! I hardly think I am racist by judging them in that manner. Though I did make a preconception. On the basis that the job required a suit type person. Who put some fuking effort in to impress at the very least.

Dictionary…
“A reference book containing an alphabetical list of words, with information given for each word, usually including meaning, pronunciation, and etymology.”

“Reference…”

Now I wonder who made up the meaning of those words in that fine book. Cats? Maybe it was the dinosaurs?

Ohh no wait!!! Maybe it was humans!! Obviously these humans were the smartest and bestist humans to grace mother earth. How dare anyone expand upon the meaning of a word in that most sacred of books………

You would be one of these people who see things in black or white Homer?

What you have said is Bollixsticity.( That word is not in the dictionary by the way. No doubt you are scratching your head …lost because of that…..it obviously has no meaning. Don’t even think about ascribing one for it!!!)

Your example is neigh on pathetic. That’s not what I meant .....and you know it. Going with your logic...why does this thread continue to expand? If racism is racism( as the dictionary would define it)...why all the different opinions? Perhaps the dictionary is a just a guide line? To more or less help with spelling and give a damn good pointer to the basic meaning of the word. Perhaps it does not take into account a humans ability to ascend on the word and redefine it for themselves within its basic parameters. That’s what aezie has done?

Maybe that’s why new words are often added and definitions updated. To take into account our evolution with the language we use?

Ambiguous…
Vague….
double-entendre….< Can convey two meanings? arse the dictionary will implode!!!

Now….don’t be silly Homer.

God what a rant!!!

If you and I were in a pub conversing one on one, maybe you would make a little more sense. I could infer from such other means of communication eg tone of voice, body language, presence of tongue in cheek what you were trying to say.

I might even be able to interrupt you in the midst of a torrent of verbal diarrhoea and ask you to explain one of your neologisms before things got too out of hand.

However, in this forum, we are dealing with the printed word. You may not know anything about me. You can't see my hand gestures, hear my tone of voice, discern my emphasis or be mesmerised by my body language. All we have is the printed word so it is particularly important in such fora that we use them properly.

Your last post I have left unaltered because it is clearly representative of somebody who just tossed down on to his (or her-how do I know you are not a deliciously curvaceous fragrant long-limbed goddess?) word processor a torrent of verbiage that has not been properly filtered (edited is probably the more correct term for the written word) for public display.

You said definition; I think you meant interpretation. Certainly, even given the dictionary defintions of words, they are open to a modicum of latitude when interpreting them. But that does not mean that you can do with them what you like. Nor can you complain if your lax use leads to people misinterpreting what you are trying to say, or write.

Wicked, amn't I?

Now which meaning of the word am I using here?

Mercury_Tilt · 26-06-2002 9:35pm

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Hairy Homer · 27-06-2002 12:06pm

Originally posted by Mercury_Tilt

I'm happy to be educated. Im a dumb cvnt.. truth be known.

[edit- see you in the recycle bin on the morrow!! ]

So you're not a deliciously curvaceous fragrant long-limbed goddess then? What a pity.

Can you get done for trawling, as well as trolling in this forum? :-)

Am i racist?

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