Skipping the country to avoid jail

Sifo · 01-11-2005 03:52PM

roamer wrote:

My mate has got into a bit of bother. He hammered someone and broke his collarbone and his nose. The fella reported it to the cops and he is expecting to get arrested one of these days and after that get a summons. He was already in the cop shop talking to them about it and he admitted it though he didn't give a statement yet.

Hes thinking that if he goes to australia when he gets the summons and stays for a year, the summons will go out of date or whatever. He definitely wants to come back though. Theres no way he would go and stay away forever.

Will this work or will they get him when he comes back?
Also, will the DPP be taking him to court aswell as the fella he hammered?

It should work... ive seen it done although for offences id consider less brutal...

consider this though - people will be bitter towards your mate for what he did, and if he leaves for a year and comes back, he will no longer be able to live in his own area as these people will hand him in. basically he'll have to keep a low profile for a very long time.. i think he should do time, who knows, it might just sort him out altogether...

What did this guy do?

i take it must have been pretty bad....

Endurance Man · 01-11-2005 03:54PM

I ask again, what makes you think Australia is going to allow a wanted criminal into there country?

Naos · 01-11-2005 03:58PM

Kiera wrote:

Shut up you tool! He “hammered” him. He deserves his punishment. End of!

And by the sounds of it your man deserved a hammering.
He did not mess up his life, broken nose and collarbone will heal soon enough fs.

Kiera · 01-11-2005 04:01PM

Mear wrote:

And by the sounds of it your man deserved a hammering.
He did not mess up his life, broken nose and collarbone will heal soon enough fs.

Please read the thread properly, Mear!!!

Endurance Man · 01-11-2005 04:01PM

Mear wrote:

And by the sounds of it your man deserved a hammering.
He did not mess up his life, broken nose and collarbone will heal soon enough fs.

What would you be saying if he had broken his neck and put him in a wheelchair :cool: ? Just becuase the injurys where not life threatening does NOT make it right/more acceptable.

Siogfinsceal · 01-11-2005 04:04PM

if there was a very good reason for your mate to give him a few slaps than fair enough but sadly everyone runs to the cops these days so its never a good idea. running away will make him look guilty. id say he be better off just grovelling and apologisng and explaining the case to a good solicitor i doubt they be looking to put him away for long time for that sorta thing

roamer · 01-11-2005 04:07PM

Well, I think ill advise him not to skip anyways. Thanks for the advice.

Lifes just not fair though, this fella is dead sound, hes not a troublemaker. I suppose hes just had some bad luck. The fella he hammered is a fu*kin' scumbag.

magpie · 01-11-2005 04:09PM

Outcome depends on your mate's background really

1) If he went to Blackrock and played rugby there will be a huge public outcry and kangaroo court followed by excessive jail sentences

2) If he's some average joe knacker then nobody will give a toss, and he'll get off with a fine.

joejoem · 01-11-2005 04:11PM

Endurance Man wrote:

What would you be saying if he had broken his neck and put him in a wheelchair :cool: ? Just becuase the injurys where not life threatening does NOT make it right/more acceptable.

So he should have let the dirtbag get away with it.... The point is that he wasnt put in a wheelchair, he got hurt, which he deserved. Now he is trying to hide behind the law like all scumbags, and behold! Loads of muppets gathering around behind him, ah the poor guy.....

madramor · 01-11-2005 04:12PM

roamer wrote:

Hes thinking that if he goes to australia when he gets the summons and stays for a year, the summons will go out of date or whatever.

They can always re-issue a summons for many years even
a lifetime in some cases.

roamer wrote:

Also, will the DPP be taking him to court aswell as the fella he hammered?

if the Gardai are involved its a DPP case.

roamer wrote:

broke his collarbone

He was probably sticking the boot in to the guys upperbody\head
area when he was on the ground.
This was a premediated attack ie happened a while after the event.

This means the judge will not be letting him go with a slap on the wrist.

roamer wrote:

If someone did or was saying something about your sister

Did something
or
saying something
big difference.

some girl tried to get me in trouble a good few years ago by making
up stories,
How do you know this guys sister was not a jealous ex or did
something with this guy and regreatted it afterwards.

If your somebody broke my nose and collar bone, I wouldn't let it go

tell your mate to get ready for pay back
and
the other guy will probably be smarted than your mate and know how
to do it and not get in any trouble with the law

Naos · 01-11-2005 04:14PM

My sentiments exactly Joejoem.

This lad who got slapped deserved it. If someone was badmouthing a member in my family to the point where he/she was obviously very upset, I would have taken the same course of action as roamers friend.

Kiera: I fail to see how I have misread the thread..

Endurance Man · 01-11-2005 04:15PM

joejoem wrote:

So he should have let the dirtbag get away with it.... The point is that he wasnt put in a wheelchair, he got hurt, which he deserved. Now he is trying to hide behind the law like all scumbags, and behold! Loads of muppets gathering around behind him, ah the poor guy.....

You have no idea wat this guy did yo deserve a beating, how can you make any judgment?

adonis · 01-11-2005 04:15PM

this guy, your mate, cant take the law into his own hands. he has no right to go around beating up people because "something was said about his sister".
he deserves to be punished for breaking the law, the same as anyone else.

Kiera · 01-11-2005 04:15PM

Mear wrote:

Kiera: I fail to see how I have misread the thread..

You have just asked me in pm Mear so get over it!

Endurance Man · 01-11-2005 04:19PM

Mear wrote:

My sentiments exactly Joejoem.

This lad who got slapped deserved it. If someone was badmouthing a member in my family to the point where he/she was obviously very upset, I would have taken the same course of action as roamers friend.

Kiera: I fail to see how I have misread the thread..

Some looser with a chip on his shoulder bad mouths a family member/friend, and you would beat him to the point where he has broken bones :cool: . In my books you are more a scumbag than the looser who cant control his mouth.
Its these types of people who get drunk at the pub, and end up on the street fighting becuase some1 said something about some1, pathetic!!

stevenmu · 01-11-2005 04:21PM

sjones wrote:

I'm not saying that, I'm saying they could be the consequences.

Sorry, I'm in a 'jumping-to-conclusions' kinda mood

Siogfinsceal · 01-11-2005 04:22PM

the only thing scumbags like that know well is the law and what they are entitled to. the only time they obey the law is to get someone like your mate in trouble. it'd kill ya I know.

Naos · 01-11-2005 04:36PM

Im not a scumbag nor do I get into fights. Someone badmouthing to the point my sister is very upset... Yeah no problem.

And kiera: You never made a point in your pm.

-oRnein9- · 01-11-2005 04:37PM

I have to sympathise with your mate, I'd probably have done the same or similar in his situation. It all depends on the extent of the abuse directed towards his family, (I bet this muppit who got beat on was a former boyfriend of your mates sister) if your mate has no previous convictions then he won't do time, however the fine could be fairly large.

Some people just need to be thought a lesson.

Rotide · 01-11-2005 04:43PM

Mear wrote:

This lad who got slapped deserved it. If someone was badmouthing a member in my family to the point where he/she was obviously very upset, I would have taken the same course of action as roamers friend.

<snip>

Banned for personal abuse.

-nesf

nesf · 01-11-2005 04:44PM

I can understand someone beating up someone over a family matter. Believe me it's an easy thing to happen. There are certain things that if someone did one of them to someone close to me that I can't guarantee that I wouldn't beat them to within an inch of their life.

But it being understandable doesn't mean that you shouldn't accept your punishment. Revenge is something that our society expects you to conduct through the courts.

super_furry · 01-11-2005 04:49PM

Breaking someone's nose and collarbone is not just 'a kicking', it's GBH and your mate belongs in jail.

Adblock · 01-11-2005 05:21PM

If kiera and joejoem had a kid who posted on boards.ie id agree with what he says. Assuming the intelligence from both sides is inherited.

Kiera · 01-11-2005 05:26PM

Adblock wrote:

If kiera and joejoem had a kid who posted on boards.ie id agree with what he says. Assuming the intelligence from both sides is inherited.

Haha Joejoem has cooties. Would touch him with yours! And who said it would be a boy anyway?? eh eh eh??

joejoem · 01-11-2005 05:27PM

Adblock wrote:

If kiera and joejoem had a kid who posted on boards.ie id agree with what he says. Assuming the intelligence from both sides is inherited.

I will never get that drunk.

Kiera · 01-11-2005 05:29PM

joejoem wrote:

I will never get that drunk.

Oh good come back, Fool! Woohoo i got there first

dermot_sheehan · 01-11-2005 05:38PM

Your mate is guily of Assault causing serious harm under s. 2 of the offences against the person act
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/ZZA26Y1997S3.html

A summons must be issued within a certain period (I think 12 months, it's governed by the Petty Sessions Ireland Act) of the offence, but can be renewed.

Failure to respond to the summons will lead to an arrest warrant being issued, which would be active indefinitley.

This is a serious enough offence that the state can try on indictment. This indictment means the case would be tried by a jury in the circuit court and the maximum penalty rises from 1 year imprisonment for a summary conviction to 5 years.

Since the penalty is also more then a year this makes the offence extradictable under the extradition agreements Ireland has with Australia and many other Western nations.

If you think the state would not extradite for such a matter, google for conrad gallagher and extradition, where the state had him sent back in hadcuffs from the U.S. for allegedly stealing paintings.

Your mate should frankly serve prison time for what he's done, he put another person in hospital in what was a vicious assault. There is very little justification for that behaviour (only an imminent threat by the victim to your mate's life or limb would be justification), bad mouthing your sister is not one of them. we live in a free state where anyone, including the victim can bad mouth your sister to their hearts content.

Your mate is a thug and i hope he goes to jail.

Slutmonkey57b · 01-11-2005 05:38PM

"family matter" is very different if you're talking about "he knocked my sister about" rather than "what did you say about my ma?". Both are family matters - one is serious the other is playground bull****. Still, this is the internet, so the OP should realise that <justifiable generalisation> he's talking to middle class people with no experience of violence who will have no sympathy for the attacker </justifiable generalisation>. Bottom line, your mate knew what he was doing, was being a bit stupid and is now considering being twice as stupid. Will he cop on and deal with life like a mature adult? Who knows? Who cares? Tune in next time to Air Finglas....

McClane · 01-11-2005 05:44PM

I would say the only mistake he made was getting caught.

Did the thought of dark car, sack, baseball bat and country lane not spring to mind?

Smartest thing i heard in this whole thread.

Sound like he really really wasn't thinking.

Anyways from the sound of it i think he went way over the top for the crime committed. As another poster said "What'd u say bout my sister ??" does not = Kicking + broken collar bone.

dublinshane · 01-11-2005 07:43PM

Just to say I am in a similar position to your mate. I was charged with assault, pleaded guilty and will be sentenced in 2 weeks. It’s the worst time in my life right now but there’s no getting away from the situation.

It’s only natural to think about running away when you end up in this situation – I certainly did but when you talk to anybody or even think about it properly yourself running away would solve nothing. You would still have all this hanging over you at some stage and the thoughts of not coming home again are pretty crap. Some people say that the time spent thinking about what is going to happen is the worse time – I don’t know about that but the last months have been pretty tough.

I sure as hell don’t want to end up in jail but at the same time you have the best chance of getting a lighter sentence if you face up to what you’ve done, show remorse and don’t so anything stupid like running away.

I pleaded guilty – probably going to prison but still hoping that this may not happen. No matter what happens I want to get this part of my life over with as soon as possible (although I am still dreading every day as the reality of going to prison comes closer) and get on with things after that as best I can.

Skipping the country to avoid jail

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