Skipping the country to avoid jail

roamer

My mate has got into a bit of bother. He hammered someone and broke his collarbone and his nose. The fella reported it to the cops and he is expecting to get arrested one of these days and after that get a summons. He was already in the cop shop talking to them about it and he admitted it though he didn't give a statement yet.

Hes thinking that if he goes to australia when he gets the summons and stays for a year, the summons will go out of date or whatever. He definitely wants to come back though. Theres no way he would go and stay away forever.

Will this work or will they get him when he comes back?
Also, will the DPP be taking him to court aswell as the fella he hammered?

Canis Lupus

That was nice of your mate. Sounds like a charmer. I really like giving advice to help out people like that....

Not....

roamer

The fella did something very very wrong and my mate didn't mean to do that much damage.

Don't get me wrong. Im not condoning what he did, its just unfortunate the way it turned out.

Baldie

What did your man do to deserve a hammering?

Dave!

Would he not be extradited or something? (I don't know anything about law really)

roamer

Baldie wrote:

What did your man do to deserve a hammering?

It was to do with his family.

Kiera

What gives him the right to put his hands on another person? He’s a scumbag for doing it regardless of what the other guy did and he deserves to be banged up for years!!

AARRRGH

If it's his first offence, he prob won't go to jail for it if he shows serious remorse.

I think running away over an assault charge could cause more problems in the long run...

Paladin

Gwan ya, send him to Australia. Cheaper than wasting money sending him through the rap on the wrists legal system.

The Troll

Kiera wrote:

What gives him the right to put his hands on another person? He’s a scumbag for doing it regardless of what the other guy did and he deserves to be banged up for years!!

Indeed

Baldie

Well it all depends on why he hammered your man if he gets locked up or not. If he stole a bag of sweets off your mate then, ya your mate deserves to be locked up for giving him such a beating.

By hammered, do you mean he beat him up with a hammer, or just gave him a kicking?

Royale with Cheese

Nice to see there's still a steady flow of criminals from this area of the world into Australia.

roamer

Oh yeah, and what would the cops have done if he reported it? Nothing.
And then this would have carried on. The cops in this country is a joke, so is the justice system.

He just gave him a kicking.

whippet

more than likely the DPP will charge him and order him to pay compensation .. for those type of injuries .. probably to the tune of €4000. Then more than likely a civil action will follow (about 5 years down the line) and another lump of compo will have to be paid (could be 4 times the original)

Before I am accused of speculation, a friend of mine was in similar bother a few years ago and that was the outcome.

scojones

roamer wrote:

Oh yeah, and what would the cops do? Nothing.
And then this would have carried on. The cops in this country is a joke, so is the justice system.

And so is your mate for wanting to run away. What a bloody coward, if he's man enough to kick someone's @ss then he should be man enough to face the bloody consequences - be it the boys in blue or yer man's mates.

Kiera

If its such a joke your mate will have no problem now will he? Cowards run away!

ferdi

what did this guy do to your mates family? if he interfered with the family or any member of it in any way, he probably deserved a kicking.

roamer

I dont condone it anyway and yes, cowards run away but thats whay he wants to do. Its not me. He just asked me to find out if its possible.

What the other fella did to my mate though was a terrible thing and the cops would have not done anything. Perhaps he got carried away. To be honest, I dont know because I wasn't there when it happened. It was to do with his sister.

If someone did or was saying something about your sister around the town and the cops wouldn't do anything, what would you do?

joejoem

roamer wrote:

I dont condone it anyway and yes, cowards run away but thats whay he wants to do. Its not me. He just asked me to find out if its possible.

What the other fella did to my mate though was a terrible thing and the cops would have not done anything. Perhaps he got carried away. To be honest, I dont know because I wasn't there when it happened. It was to do with his sister.

If someone did or was saying something about your sister around the town and the cops wouldn't do anything, what would you do?

Beat the crap out of him

stevenmu

sjones wrote:

And so is your mate for wanting to run away. What a bloody coward, if he's man enough to kick someone's @ss then he should be man enough to face the bloody consequences - be it the boys in blue or yer man's mates.

So it's not ok for roamers mate to give some guy a beating but it is ok for his mates to give him a beating back in revenge ?

Skipping the country won't do any good, unless he makes it permanent, if he avoids the summons a warrent will be issued for his arrest and he'll get lifted next time he arrives into the country. If it becomes known that he's gone to australia he'll either be extradited or deported.

It's not worth the hassle really, he should just face up to what he did and show remorse. Taking up gaelic football might help too, they seem to get away with assault all the time

scojones

roamer wrote:

If someone did or was saying something about your sister around the town and the cops wouldn't do anything, what would you do?

It all depends doesn't it? I'd confront him about it and find out exactly what is going on and why. If there was any sort of physical abuse the proper thing to do would be to get her to press charges, but I would probably fly off the wall if he admitted hitting her when I was confronting him.

I've gone off in a tangent. None of us know the true story, and what is done is done. What he did may or may not be wrong depending on his motives, BUT running away is definately not the thing to do. If you really are a mate, then convince him to stay. If he runs away he's gona mess up his life. Show you're a true friend and get him to stay and support him through this.

Bluetonic

roamer wrote:

I dont condone it anyway and yes, cowards run away but thats whay he wants to do. Its not me. He just asked me to find out if its possible.

What the other fella did to my mate though was a terrible thing and the cops would have not done anything. Perhaps he got carried away. To be honest, I dont know because I wasn't there when it happened. It was to do with his sister.

If someone did or was saying something about your sister around the town and the cops wouldn't do anything, what would you do?

I would say the only mistake he made was getting caught.

Did the thought of dark car, sack, baseball bat and country lane not spring to mind?

stevenmu

roamer wrote:

If someone did or was saying something about your sister around the town and the cops wouldn't do anything, what would you do?

Why the hell would the cops do anything about that ? They've much more important things to be doing than shutting down the local rumour mill.

Kiera

He could have given the lad a few slaps to warn him off but now he’s fecked up his life. He’s a muppet and I don’t feel one bit sorry for him! He should be made pay for what he did!!

scojones

stevenmu wrote:

So it's not ok for roamers mate to give some guy a beating but it is ok for his mates to give him a beating back in revenge ?

I'm not saying that, I'm saying they could be the consequences.

LegacyUser

why doesn't he just talk to a solicitor? find out where he stands.

Endurance Man

Skip the country :rolleyes: , this isn't hollywood. Stay and take the wrap, he deserves everything he has coming to him, running away to another country would make the situation 5x worse.
Besides, i VERY much doubt the Australian government is going to allow a wanted criminal to just walk onto there shores...

joejoem

Kiera wrote:

He could have given the lad a few slaps to warn him off but now he’s fecked up his life. He’s a muppet and I don’t feel one bit sorry for him! He should be made pay for what he did!!

Dont be such a spa, he just broke his collar bone and his nose. That could have been done in a dig and a push. You can well fly off the handle now and act high and mighty but if the roles were reversed and someone was spreading **** about you making your life hell you wouldnt feel one bit sorry for the guy if your brother or boyfriend went after him.

roamer

paperclip wrote:

why doesn't he just talk to a solicitor? find out where he stands.

Yeah, hes meeting the solictor this week, I think.

Kiera

joejoem wrote:

Dont be such a spa, he just broke his collar bone and his nose. That could have been done in a dig and a push. You can well fly off the handle now and act high and mighty but if the roles were reversed and someone was spreading **** about you making your life hell you wouldnt feel one bit sorry for the guy if your brother or boyfriend went after him.

Shut up you tool! He “hammered” him. He deserves his punishment. End of!

scojones

Kiera wrote:

Shut up you tool! He “hammered” him. He deserves his punishment. End of!

Agreed.

Sifo

roamer wrote:

My mate has got into a bit of bother. He hammered someone and broke his collarbone and his nose. The fella reported it to the cops and he is expecting to get arrested one of these days and after that get a summons. He was already in the cop shop talking to them about it and he admitted it though he didn't give a statement yet.

Hes thinking that if he goes to australia when he gets the summons and stays for a year, the summons will go out of date or whatever. He definitely wants to come back though. Theres no way he would go and stay away forever.

Will this work or will they get him when he comes back?
Also, will the DPP be taking him to court aswell as the fella he hammered?

It should work... ive seen it done although for offences id consider less brutal...

consider this though - people will be bitter towards your mate for what he did, and if he leaves for a year and comes back, he will no longer be able to live in his own area as these people will hand him in. basically he'll have to keep a low profile for a very long time.. i think he should do time, who knows, it might just sort him out altogether...

What did this guy do?

i take it must have been pretty bad....

Endurance Man

I ask again, what makes you think Australia is going to allow a wanted criminal into there country?

Naos

Kiera wrote:

Shut up you tool! He “hammered” him. He deserves his punishment. End of!

And by the sounds of it your man deserved a hammering.
He did not mess up his life, broken nose and collarbone will heal soon enough fs.

Kiera

Mear wrote:

And by the sounds of it your man deserved a hammering.
He did not mess up his life, broken nose and collarbone will heal soon enough fs.

Please read the thread properly, Mear!!!

Endurance Man

Mear wrote:

And by the sounds of it your man deserved a hammering.
He did not mess up his life, broken nose and collarbone will heal soon enough fs.

What would you be saying if he had broken his neck and put him in a wheelchair :cool: ? Just becuase the injurys where not life threatening does NOT make it right/more acceptable.

Siogfinsceal

if there was a very good reason for your mate to give him a few slaps than fair enough but sadly everyone runs to the cops these days so its never a good idea. running away will make him look guilty. id say he be better off just grovelling and apologisng and explaining the case to a good solicitor i doubt they be looking to put him away for long time for that sorta thing

roamer

Well, I think ill advise him not to skip anyways. Thanks for the advice.

Lifes just not fair though, this fella is dead sound, hes not a troublemaker. I suppose hes just had some bad luck. The fella he hammered is a fu*kin' scumbag.

magpie

Outcome depends on your mate's background really

1) If he went to Blackrock and played rugby there will be a huge public outcry and kangaroo court followed by excessive jail sentences

2) If he's some average joe knacker then nobody will give a toss, and he'll get off with a fine.

joejoem

Endurance Man wrote:

What would you be saying if he had broken his neck and put him in a wheelchair :cool: ? Just becuase the injurys where not life threatening does NOT make it right/more acceptable.

So he should have let the dirtbag get away with it.... The point is that he wasnt put in a wheelchair, he got hurt, which he deserved. Now he is trying to hide behind the law like all scumbags, and behold! Loads of muppets gathering around behind him, ah the poor guy.....

madramor

roamer wrote:

Hes thinking that if he goes to australia when he gets the summons and stays for a year, the summons will go out of date or whatever.

They can always re-issue a summons for many years even
a lifetime in some cases.

roamer wrote:

Also, will the DPP be taking him to court aswell as the fella he hammered?

if the Gardai are involved its a DPP case.

roamer wrote:

broke his collarbone

He was probably sticking the boot in to the guys upperbody\head
area when he was on the ground.
This was a premediated attack ie happened a while after the event.

This means the judge will not be letting him go with a slap on the wrist.

roamer wrote:

If someone did or was saying something about your sister

Did something
or
saying something
big difference.

some girl tried to get me in trouble a good few years ago by making
up stories,
How do you know this guys sister was not a jealous ex or did
something with this guy and regreatted it afterwards.

If your somebody broke my nose and collar bone, I wouldn't let it go

tell your mate to get ready for pay back
and
the other guy will probably be smarted than your mate and know how
to do it and not get in any trouble with the law

Naos

My sentiments exactly Joejoem.

This lad who got slapped deserved it. If someone was badmouthing a member in my family to the point where he/she was obviously very upset, I would have taken the same course of action as roamers friend.

Kiera: I fail to see how I have misread the thread..

Endurance Man

joejoem wrote:

So he should have let the dirtbag get away with it.... The point is that he wasnt put in a wheelchair, he got hurt, which he deserved. Now he is trying to hide behind the law like all scumbags, and behold! Loads of muppets gathering around behind him, ah the poor guy.....

You have no idea wat this guy did yo deserve a beating, how can you make any judgment?

adonis

this guy, your mate, cant take the law into his own hands. he has no right to go around beating up people because "something was said about his sister".
he deserves to be punished for breaking the law, the same as anyone else.

Kiera

Mear wrote:

Kiera: I fail to see how I have misread the thread..

You have just asked me in pm Mear so get over it!

Endurance Man

Mear wrote:

My sentiments exactly Joejoem.

This lad who got slapped deserved it. If someone was badmouthing a member in my family to the point where he/she was obviously very upset, I would have taken the same course of action as roamers friend.

Kiera: I fail to see how I have misread the thread..

Some looser with a chip on his shoulder bad mouths a family member/friend, and you would beat him to the point where he has broken bones :cool: . In my books you are more a scumbag than the looser who cant control his mouth.
Its these types of people who get drunk at the pub, and end up on the street fighting becuase some1 said something about some1, pathetic!!

stevenmu

sjones wrote:

I'm not saying that, I'm saying they could be the consequences.

Sorry, I'm in a 'jumping-to-conclusions' kinda mood

Siogfinsceal

the only thing scumbags like that know well is the law and what they are entitled to. the only time they obey the law is to get someone like your mate in trouble. it'd kill ya I know.

Naos

Im not a scumbag nor do I get into fights. Someone badmouthing to the point my sister is very upset... Yeah no problem.

And kiera: You never made a point in your pm.

-oRnein9-

I have to sympathise with your mate, I'd probably have done the same or similar in his situation. It all depends on the extent of the abuse directed towards his family, (I bet this muppit who got beat on was a former boyfriend of your mates sister) if your mate has no previous convictions then he won't do time, however the fine could be fairly large.

Some people just need to be thought a lesson.

Rotide

Mear wrote:

This lad who got slapped deserved it. If someone was badmouthing a member in my family to the point where he/she was obviously very upset, I would have taken the same course of action as roamers friend.

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Banned for personal abuse.

-nesf