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Marriage:A neccesary evil?

  • 10-10-2005 08:06PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,184 ✭✭✭✭


    Pigheads cousin got married last month. I'm obviously delighted that he's found someone willing to put up with him for all eternity but it lead me to stop and have a wee think about the enormity of getting Married

    Out of the 11 people i know in the world 2 are married and 1 is engaged They all seem very happy but Pighead sometimes notice cracks in their smiles when he regales them with stories of night long parties and lost weekends and general shackle free shenanigans. Now i obviously didnt want to come across as a nosy prying twat so i decided not too ask them how happy/sad/frustrated or joyful they were and have instead posed the question to a group of strangers on the internet.

    So who's tied the knot here? Whats great about it and what do you miss? Or for those still unmarried,are you eagerly awaiting the Big Day Out or are you kind of sad that there will be a day when you are expected to grow up and say farewell to your crazy drinking buddies?Because after all anybody who isn't married by the time they are 40 must have something terribly wrong with them!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭Nightwish


    i'd get married tomorrow if I could. i can't wait!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,531 ✭✭✭jonny68


    Nightwish wrote:
    i'd get married tomorrow if I could. i can't wait!!!

    Why are you desperate or something? :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,846 ✭✭✭Le Rack


    eh, used to entirely detest the idea of waking up next to the same person everyday for the rest of my life, but in the past year I wandered down a new path and started finding guys who I actually really like and who if it came to it I would be delighted to spend the rest of my life with them... very rare cases but they happened!
    I always said I wanted teh wedding but didn't want the marraige.... but I'm not too bothered anymore, if I find someone well and good and if I get to whore around for the rest of my life.... I'll mail order a husband! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭Nightwish


    nope, just looking forward to marrying my lovely bf


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,531 ✭✭✭jonny68


    Nightwish wrote:
    nope, just looking forward to marrying my lovely bf

    Fair enough i suppose,reckon it'll be many years before i go down that route(if ever),im having too much fun to get bogged down :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,846 ✭✭✭Le Rack


    jonny68 wrote:
    Fair enough i suppose,reckon it'll be many years before i go down that route(if ever),im having too much fun to get bogged down :D
    see that's what I thought!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭Nightwish


    jonny68 wrote:
    Fair enough i suppose,reckon it'll be many years before i go down that route(if ever),im having too much fun to get bogged down :D
    and I'm having far too much fun not being single


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,531 ✭✭✭jonny68


    Le Rack wrote:
    see that's what I thought!


    It's not what i think dear it's what i know and im old enough to know anyway,i see mates of mne younger than me and they are never out anymore stuck @ home all the time fcuk that sh*t enjoy it while you can i say :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,531 ✭✭✭jonny68


    Nightwish wrote:
    and I'm having far too much fun not being single

    well good for you sweetheart :rolleyes: :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,362 ✭✭✭✭Scarinae


    "Love and marriage, love and marriage,
    Goes together like a horse and carriage"

    A fair point, no? A marriage won't work without love, as a carriage won't work without a horse - but isn't the horse more happy, free and natural without the artificiality of the carriage tying it down?

    Having said that, I would still like to get married, just not for years and years


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,846 ✭✭✭Le Rack


    jonny68 wrote:
    It's not what i think dear it's what i know and im old enough to know anyway,i see mates of mne younger than me and they are never out anymore stuck @ home all the time fcuk that sh*t enjoy it while you can i say :)
    okay, I know young married couples who are out having fun the whole time...
    Ooh wanna hear something sinful, a girl in town here knew that her boyf was about to dump her so she tampered with a condom to get pregnant so he'd have to stay with her and marry her! And she's like 17! ready to pop too!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,099 ✭✭✭✭WhiteWashMan


    ive noticed that *some* single people seem to view married couples as some sort of threat to their way of life.
    i have several friends, who will tell me how great their single life is and how they arent shackled down, and how they can go out and shag anyone they want etc etc etc.

    im married. im not shackled down. i can do what i want, as can my wife.
    i can go out and drink to 5am if i want. believe it or not, getting married does not mean you have to be in bed by 10. in fact, on saturday night, i was drinking yards of ale (actually, purple nastie), racing bottles of wkd, and running about half nakid.
    i dont want to shag anyone. i think most people will agree that making love to your partner is far more reqarding and satisfying than a series of one night stands.
    of course, being single does not mean you will automatically score.
    in fact, i think what they say is 'they could go out and shag someone every night'
    the truth is, that going out and getting someone every night, is quite difficult, and most people i know would have trouble getting one woman a month!

    i think that many single people see marriage as some sort of prison sentence, where you cannot do anything, where 'her indoors' rules the roost and that you will have a life of early nights, no fun and and no drinking.

    entirely wrong. being married to the wrong person will do that. in fact, have a girl\boyfriend like that will do it.
    marriage is a state of mind. its about what you make it. dont make the mistake of thinking its all the bad things that programs like the simpsons and married with children present.
    it 'can' be like that. and then again 'it can be like friday the 13th!

    i just dont understand why so many people get so hot under the collar about it.

    me, i love being married. its the best thing that has ever happened to me.
    :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,846 ✭✭✭Le Rack


    awh WWM cutie...
    I agree with your point about being with your partner rather than with someone new every night, it's just better no matter what way you look at it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,531 ✭✭✭jonny68


    Le Rack wrote:
    okay, I know young married couples who are out having fun the whole time...
    Ooh wanna hear something sinful, a girl in town here knew that her boyf was about to dump her so she tampered with a condom to get pregnant so he'd have to stay with her and marry her! And she's like 17! ready to pop too!

    That's just fcukin pure evilness id tell the tart where to go if i found out that happened to me


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,846 ✭✭✭Le Rack


    yeah! To think I was friends with her years ago!
    The chap knows the truth but yet he's still with her! I wouldn't be suprised if the child wasn't even his!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,184 ✭✭✭✭Pighead


    White Wash Man I have a feeling you are one of the lucky ones.You're story gives hope to the marriage bashers and its a joy to read of your yard of ale drinking activities.I heard rumours of married men attempting the yard of ale feat before but never believed it.
    Just being married doesn't affect your social life, ability to ....... . But having kids does. Although to offset that when you're having a deadly time with the kids staggering around Camden Street doesn't seem that appealing.
    As you can see i'm quite undecided on the matter


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,227 ✭✭✭Shanannigan


    my parents divorced when i was a kid my mother ****ed off and went on to have 4 more kids by 3other men while leaving my dad to raise the three of us with the help of my grandparents.... and i met her once since... so thats put me off getting married... my girlfriend has no interest in it either... but i don't begrudge any1 else getting married... its just not for me


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,388 ✭✭✭Kernel


    Le Rack wrote:
    eh, used to entirely detest the idea of waking up next to the same person everyday for the rest of my life, but in the past year I wandered down a new path and started finding guys who I actually really like and who if it came to it I would be delighted to spend the rest of my life with them... very rare cases but they happened!

    That's called desperation, it happens to all women when they are left on the shelf for a while, it's a genetic imperative for them to settle with a provider and have kids.

    WWM: Although you can certainly stay out and do your own thing, would you not agree that you cannot always do it as much as you want, or 'her indoors' starts feeling a little neglected and pissed off?

    Also, I bet you told your other half where you were, what you were doing and who were were with before hand or at some stage throughout the night. The thing is, you lose spontaneity and the ability to be completely free when you have to take another person's feelings into consideration all the time. The two just don't always go together. So, no marriage for me! ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,846 ✭✭✭Le Rack


    Kernel wrote:
    That's called desperation, it happens to all women when they are left on the shelf for a while, it's a genetic imperative for them to settle with a provider and have kids.


    no, desperation is what you did darling! ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,388 ✭✭✭Kernel


    Le Rack wrote:
    no, desperation is what you did darling! ;)

    You mean the paranormal thing? Ah, it was a joke in fairness Rack, I just thought we were getting on so well in that thread, that in the interests of sarcasm I would say that. Come now, I don't even know what you look like my dear.
    :rolleyes:

    Kernel is very selective, that's why I'm not married! ;)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,846 ✭✭✭Le Rack


    Hey now I'm not the only one!
    As far as I'm concerned you're gay anyway


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,099 ✭✭✭✭WhiteWashMan


    Pighead wrote:
    White Wash Man I have a feeling you are one of the lucky ones.You're story gives hope to the marriage bashers and its a joy to read of your yard of ale drinking activities.I heard rumours of married men attempting the yard of ale feat before but never believed it.
    Just being married doesn't affect your social life, ability to ....... . But having kids does. Although to offset that when you're having a deadly time with the kids staggering around Camden Street doesn't seem that appealing.
    As you can see i'm quite undecided on the matter

    kids will certainly do it, but i think if you have kids, you should already be prepared to understand that with children comes commitment, and that means looking after them.
    after all, any idiot can be a parent, but it takes someone special to be a dad or a mum. although, who is to say that all those kids on camden street came about due to marriage. i think its old hat to think that marriage = kids, and vica versa.
    Kernal wrote:
    WWM: Although you can certainly stay out and do your own thing, would you not agree that you cannot always do it as much as you want, or 'her indoors' starts feeling a little neglected and pissed off?

    would you not get the same from your girlfriend? being married has nothing to do with what time you stay until. having a communicative relationship does that.

    no, i wouldnt o it all the time, but then again, i dont want to. im sure if i did it every weekend my wife would get píssed at me, and rightly so.
    im in a relationship, and therefor, i need to take account of her needs and wants, as well as my own. thats what a relationship is about.
    marriage is just taking that relationship a step further.
    i see it as no different than people who spend 20 years toegther without getting married. its not about the certificate. its about what you and your partner get out of it personally. at least, thats how i view it.

    some people view it as a prison sentence as i said, and others view it as a sham. i take my marriage seriously, but thats because i take my relationshhip seriously, but me as a person, im not too serious at all :)

    no, marriage does not restrict your life, in fact i think it enhances it significantly. you and your relationship are what will restrict your activites. so if you dont want to be restricted, dont marry someone who needs you home by 6:30 every day, and who wont let you go out on your own without thinking youre about to fall into the bed of the nearest female that finds you...
    and of course, the same is true for blokes out there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,184 ✭✭✭✭Pighead


    Marriage, I think, makes more and more sense to people as they head into their 40s and 50s. People in their 20s tend to think of these people as being "non-people" or something. "They're grown ups, they don't count." But chances are you'll be that age some day. Most people think marriage is something that they have to do as its expected of them.That's not to say that they're right, of course. At that age all that matters is love, same as when you're younger. And that's what keeps them happy. But you can be in love and never get married. So why formalise it?

    I wouldn't say marriage is evil for a second. I think it's a great day out and a quaint tradition to show the world your feelings for each other but i'm not so sure if its as relevant as it used to be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,440 ✭✭✭Dizzyblabla


    Well, WWM, thank a bunch, I was perfectly happy being single... now you've just made me realise how much I actually hate it...
    Any cute single men out there?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,129 ✭✭✭Nightwish


    nothin' like kids to ruin a good marriage :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,635 ✭✭✭✭nesf


    i see it as no different than people who spend 20 years toegther without getting married. its not about the certificate. its about what you and your partner get out of it personally. at least, thats how i view it.

    Tax breaks my good man. There's the main difference for you*.



    *Assuming that the religious side of marriage doesn't matter much to you. If it does then obviously marriage is quite a big deal.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 14,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭monument


    ive noticed that *some* single people seem to view married couples as some sort of threat to their way of life.
    i have several friends, who will tell me how great their single life is and how they arent shackled down, and how they can go out and shag anyone they want etc etc etc.

    Sounds like they are trying to justify being single, sounds as if they may be jealous. Or maybe not.
    Le Rack wrote:
    Ooh wanna hear something sinful, a girl in town here knew that her boyf was about to dump her so she tampered with a condom to get pregnant so he'd have to stay with her and marry her! And she's like 17! ready to pop too!

    What a silly f-ing bitch.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,909 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    nesf wrote:
    Tax breaks my good man. There's the main difference for you*.

    There aren't really that many tax breaks any more. The credit system made swapping your tfa redundant and unmarried and married couples get the same trs interest releif on mortgages. I don't really see the financial incentive, apart from the woman's potential widow's pension :D

    I do think that marraige can mean the difference between hearing an instant "Congratulations!" or a careful "are you happy about it?" the day you tell your extended family you're pregnant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,184 ✭✭✭✭Pighead


    You've got pet names for each other.You love each other unconditionally.Things have never ben better.Marriage seems like the only logical next step right?
    WRONG!

    Marriage was fine in the auld days when our grandads and grandmothers lived a simple life with less outside pressures and less temptations. We've all been fooled into believing that marriage is the end-all remedy to our loneliness;that tying the knot is as natural a process as going for a poo. Wake up buddies! It's time to face facts.Marriage isn't a cure for our want of companionship.

    You'll be pleading to be be set free in no time at all as millions upon millions have already found out. Look at the marriage world around you. Divorce is at an all-time high and the social stigma attached with non married couples co-habiting is nowhere near as bad as it used to be.
    Pighead reckons if it wasn't for the fanfare and sense of special ceremony that a wedding day brings couples wouldnt be half as bothered to tie the knot(or should that be noose!)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 944 ✭✭✭NoDayBut2Day


    Seems like committment is out these days so many people would rather not marry.

    I'm the exact opposite. I still believe marriage is well... a good thing! Nothing better than finding someone who shares a common love.

    Maybe it's not the fact that people are afraid of committment; perhaps they just feel that they will never find that common love... I guess we've all felt like that at one time or another. But yeah... just gotta keep that faith that it will happen one day.

    :)


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