Legend or not?

MorningStar wrote:

I can still say I dislike the use and call it incorrect as there are no rules one way or the other.

If there are no rules surely it cannot be either correct or incorrect?

Wahay, we're back on topic!

If its alright, I'll reply later. My mouse is broken and I have to go get it replaced.

MorningStar, the following are the points that I find fascinating.

MorningStar wrote:

. If you don't care you will find you may never be able to hold a conversation out of you scoil group where misuse is acceptable.

If every second word out of a person mnoth is incorrect and/or a expletive I will look down on them as they show me and themselves no respect.

Anybody who spends there working life basically acting like a walking advertisement is a bit pathetic.

I think it is so silly that people spend a ton of money on team kits for the privledge to advertise the sponsor of the football club.

If you want to speak using words incorrectly you just indicate education and social economic group. If you are happy than fine but people will think less of you and it is one of the reasons why scumbags are so violent.

You may want to have a moral standards and claim that you judge people by the person they are but you are just lying to yourself or unaware of the sublties of interaction.

You think I am even vaguely knocked down by the likes that frequent After Hours you are mistaken.

... the theory that we are all the same... is junk you just don't know it!

What education have you done that tells you different? Is it just a view?

I siad if somebody curses and uses words incorrectly I look down on them and the reason being it is disrespectfull to everyone

I realise you have answered most replies and have given your opinion and stuck to it, you are certainly commited to your argument, which is admirable. I don't agree, however, with some of the condescending views in your argument.

1. You don't believe that we are all equal.
2. Swearing justifies being "looked down" upon
3. Footballers wearing a jersey are merely walking advertisements. One club sponsor and one jersey maker is no more than the average t-shirt or jeans/tracksuit bottoms. Supporters generally wear replica jerseys to show support for their club.
4. You criticise people who use After Hours... need I say any more...

MrJoeSoap wrote:

If there is anyone reading this thread who isn't posting could they please express some sort of opinion because I really can't believe what I'm hearing from MorningStar.

I notice that s/he says that people who use slang are looked down upon, yet the funny thing is, everywhere you go, most people use slang as part of their local dialect. London, Kildare and Dublin for instance have their own definitions of words, as well as slang, which developed with the region, as well as the area they live in, and perhaps surrounding areas. If you look down upon someone who uses slang, there are very few people you can look on an equal level with. I myself use a fair bit of Irish slang, along with some Cockney slang, yet no one has ever brought it up as an issue...

A lot of, if not, all dialects of Hiberno-English, and even British-English have their own slang words, due to local culture. It's very rare that you find a erson who doesn't use at least a handful of slang from the place they were brought up in...

MorningStar wrote:

I am pretty sure I mentioned it in conjuction with cursing. It was also clear I was talking about extreme use of both. The point being if you are inarticulate people think less of you. If you don't belive it talk in the same dialect as the traveling community for a day and see how people treat you. If you normally talk with lots of cursing and slang stop and talk more formally and your firends will treat you differnetly.
I didn't create the situation it exists all on its own and to deny it is riddiculious. You can argue it shouldn't be the case but it won't change it.

To be honest, I was picked on more at secondary school for speaking properly (though I probably sounded very English to them too, heh), than I was for talking with slang, but then again, my speech is very well-spoken, and at some times pedantic, however I have a condition of which this is a symptom, among other things. At the end of the day though, everyone swears, though most do not excessively do it. I've really never been bothered with someone speaking using slang or a different English dialect to me, provided I understand them. I mean, for the most part, I will, but you have words that people from different regions use to describe something.

Granted, the word "yoke" is accepted everywhere in Ireland as "thingy", but when you go to the UK, it's not accepted as a word, but if you've lived in Ireland a long time, it's a pretty acceptable word. Also, what we call a "skanger" over here is known as a "chav" in England or a "ned" in Scotland, so matter where you go, no matter how good someone can speak English, you'll always find that the peculiarities of their accent or dialect will show through in some form or another. For instance, the Hiberno-English issue of replacing "th" with just a "t" or "d", because the way this particular dialect involved was because the dialect is a combination of Irish and old English. In Irish, the "th" wasn't ever pronounced as "th", so it's usually said as "dis" for "this", or "t'in" for "thin" to quote two examples.

Also, at least in parts Kildare, the t at the end of some words tends to be chopped off as well, ie "rah" for "rat", "mah" for "mat", and so on. It's not ideal, but everywhere you go, you'll find areas where slang is used, in addition to local colleqolisms (sp?). It's kind of difficult speaking properly if those around you don't do it either.

Would you still take a person seriously if he or she spoke perfect English, yet you couldn't understand him or her because of their accent? It's hardly their fault after all that they can't be understood by other people outside their area if the majority of the population grew up in areas like that. I generally spoke properly at work, but at the same time, you need to also know the slang and local terms used as well, otherwise things get complicated, for something that's ingrained into you after so many years becomes second nature, and thus hard to explain.

I've had to learn a variety of different English dialects to make sure I can understand what people say, and even then I've still got a lot to learn. American English is almost a different language itself in any cases, due to some of the changes made. I could probably go on like this for ages, seeing as beign too detailed is yet another symptom of what I have, but I'm going to leave it here, because it's too early to have a debate of linguistics at this time of day...