Legend or not?

deisedevil

Just wondering what people think about this. In your opinion can a person eg. famous sports star be regarded as a legend?

eg. Paul McGrath is an irish legend for his achievments in soccer.

aidan_walsh

Could probably fall into the highlighted definition.

leg·end
n.

1.
1. An unverified story handed down from earlier times, especially one popularly believed to be historical.
2. A body or collection of such stories.
3. A romanticized or popularized myth of modern times.
2. One that inspires legends or achieves legendary fame.
3.
1. An inscription or a title on an object, such as a coin.
2. An explanatory caption accompanying an illustration.
3. An explanatory table or list of the symbols appearing on a map or chart.

MorningStar

deisedevil wrote:

Just wondering what people think about this. In your opinion can a person eg. famous sports star be regarded as a legend?

eg. Paul McGrath is an irish legend for his achievments in soccer.

Differnt use to the one I commented on by the way and you must differenciate between spoken word and correct English. The preceeding word (Irish) changes the meaning of the word slightly. Like calling Guarda a "guard" it is still incorrect but commonly said in spoken language.

deisedevil

Do a search in google for paul mcgrath legend, there's loads of references to him being a legend coming up, that's why i started this thread, it seems to have become acceptable these days to call famous people or hero's legends. may not be correct english but to hell with correct english, if enough people use it and recognise it to mean something then fair nuff,leave it off. Not much point going through boards looking for incorrect use of the english language and posting about it, could take weeks,maybe years,lol.

MorningStar

aidan_walsh wrote:

Could probably fall into the highlighted definition.

Where is the myth to make a sportsmans achievements legendery? Maradonna might have had it by the myth of him handling the ball or not but as we know it is true it is no longer a myth and he is no longer legendary!

MorningStar

deisedevil wrote:

Do a search in google for paul mcgrath legend, there's loads of references to him being a legend coming up, that's why i started this thread, it seems to have become acceptable these days to call famous people or hero's legends. may not be correct english but to hell with correct english, if enough people use it and recognise it to mean something then fair nuff,leave it off. Not much point going through boards looking for incorrect use of the english language and posting about it, could take weeks,maybe years,lol.

You posted a thread on it and I pointed out you amazing point in the original thread. 10000 idiots agreeing on a point doesn't make them right. Ever hear somebody say "it is litterally raining cats and dogs". Unless there are cats and dogs falling from the sky they are using the words incorrectly. Spoken English is different to correct use. If you don't care you will find you may never be able to hold a conversation out of you scoil group where misuse is acceptable. You just end up sounding stupid to others, ever hear somebody mispronounce a word and think they are stupid? If not others do.

Mr.Nice Guy

I have an Oxford English dictionary right here and one of the definitions for 'Legend' reads:

a famous or remarkable person or event

That would make Paul McGrath a legend in my book. Uh...literally.

deisedevil

MorningStar wrote:

You posted a thread on it and I pointed out you amazing point in the original thread. 10000 idiots agreeing on a point doesn't make them right. Ever hear somebody say "it is litterally raining cats and dogs". Unless there are cats and dogs falling from the sky they are using the words incorrectly. Spoken English is different to correct use. If you don't care you will find you may never be able to hold a conversation out of you scoil group where misuse is acceptable. You just end up sounding stupid to others, ever hear somebody mispronounce a word and think they are stupid? If not others do.

Ever hear of slang words being used and eventually they are used so much they are incorporated into the dictionary? I wouldn't be bothered talking to people who might think i am an idiot because of the way i might speak or if i used a word in the incorrect way which is widely misused anyway and accepted by most(of us lower class and less educated,lol.).I have many friends who are highly educated and more with very little education and thank god neither group could care less if they are using the correct terms or words,would be bothered to point it out or would think any less of someone for doing so. Do you have a go at friends when they get their english confuddled(oops so thick i couldn't think of a real word) All i am saying is when you know what the post is really about why not just leave it off instead of showing your superiority in the speaking of the english language to the poster. Peace out! (African American slang,widely used by rappers,not used by those in upper class society)

Maximilian

Pointless trivia: Paul McGrath is my neighbour! Has an apartment in the same development as me.

Ruffty^

I agree McGrath is definitely a legend in terms of irish footy.

MorningStar you remind me of linguo (the grammar robot lisa made in the simpsons). Perhaps if I use too much poor grammar you will Xplode too...
so shup`u`face 4 I smack ya upside yer head.

MorningStar: "overload, poor grammar overload...!"
.....Boom!

StupidLikeAFox

I am a legend

MrJoeSoap

MorningStar wrote:

Like calling Guarda

That would be a "Garda" yes?

deisedevil

MrJoeSoap wrote:

That would be a "Garda" yes?

Lol, now morningstar has been put in his place on the correct use of the irish language,lol. Go hiontach,lol.

deisedevil

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

I have an Oxford English dictionary right here and one of the definitions for 'Legend' reads:

Quote:
a famous or remarkable person or event


That would make Paul McGrath a legend in my book. Uh...literally.

Thanks Mr.Nice, that clears it up then, in the correct use of the english language a soccer player like Paul mcgrath can be referred to as a legend.

MorningStar wrote:

If you don't care you will find you may never be able to hold a conversation out of you scoil group where misuse is acceptable. You just end up sounding stupid to others, ever hear somebody mispronounce a word and think they are stupid? If not others do.

It's ok Morningstar, unlike you i don't look down on people who make grammar mistakes, it's much too petty. In the words of Michael Jackass "shamon muddafuka, heeeee heeeee"

electric69

Brian O' Driscoll is such a lege!more of a "god" actually..up there with the best like Willie-John Mc Bride and Keith Wood.

Only a matter of time before a statue is erected of him in the middle of O' Connell street.

zAbbo

MorningStar wrote:

Where is the myth to make a sportsmans achievements legendery? Maradonna might have had it by the myth of him handling the ball or not but as we know it is true it is no longer a myth and he is no longer legendary!

Nothing todo with Maradona being one of the greatest footballers ever, did you see what he done 2 minutes after scoring the hand of god goal??

That and win the World Cup and Serie A more or less on his own

nesf

Morning Star, if you are going to point out someone else's misuse of the English language, please try to spell correctly and use English correctly in your post. Oh and be polite please.

Cheers.

mindurownbusnes

deisedevil wrote:

Just wondering what people think about this. In your opinion can a person eg. famous sports star be regarded as a legend?

eg. Paul McGrath is an irish legend for his achievments in soccer.

Yes, it is common nowadays to hear such a person is a legend. Its a good term to be honest, but it depends on which you prefer using eg. some places say class instead of legend.

If a word is used a lot, it will become a word in dictionary. I mean sms(whatever that stands for) is a text message. Its widely used 'is it in the dictionary?

As for using proper english, who cares. I still say youz,yiz and yeez, dont mean there's anything wrong with ya depends on where you are rared up.

deisedevil

Maximilian wrote:

Pointless trivia: Paul McGrath is my neighbour! Has an apartment in the same development as me.

Did ya ever bump into him? I hear he's very shy and keeps to himself. Everytime i hear he's been seen on a bender again i can't help feeling sorry for him. Not nice to see anyone with a alcohol addiction. He's had a seriously tough life.

Ruaidhri

Should this thread be on after hours or the soccer forum?
Personally i dont think he deserves legend status. Famous:beyond a doubt, Legendary: not a chance.
Would it be fair to say that legends become more popular after their death?

deisedevil

Ruaidhri wrote:

Should this thread be on after hours or the soccer forum?
Personally i dont think he deserves legend status. Famous:beyond a doubt, Legendary: not a chance.
Would it be fair to say that legends become more popular after their death?

Nope it ain't a thread about soccer(maybe ya should actually read through it before posting an opinion on it), the fact that i threw Paul McGrath in as an example might be throwin ya off and i did say that Paul is an IRISH legend for his achievments in soccer which is true imo.In discussions about who was the greatest irish soccer player ever he would be at least top three in most peoples lists. Maybe you don't regard him as one of irelands greatest players or as an irish legend,that's fair enough if it's the case but like i said i was just throwin in an example to find out if a famous person hero or remarkable person can be called a legend.(and the answer to this was yes they can)
Not tryin to get at ya Ruaidhri just clearing it up

Ruaidhri

i think it threw you off that i
a) know sfa about Paul and
b) think that a legend becomes a legend after their death. the stories from their lives being retold over and over again, becoming more than the person until it's the stuff of legends
think Irish mythology for legends

deisedevil

Ruaidhri wrote:

i think it threw you off that i
a) know sfa about Paul and
b) think that a legend becomes a legend after their death. the stories from their lives being retold over and over again, becoming more than the person until it's the stuff of legends
think Irish mythology for legends

Ah for god sake, like i already said read through the bloody thread!!!!!!
The whole point of it was to show that the word legend no longer applies to Mythology or mythological characters anymore or has anything to do with the fact that they have to be dead to be known as a legend. as was pointed out in the thread(if you read the bloody thing!) from the oxford dictionary a legend applies to a number of different things and people one of which and i quote: " a famous or remarkable person or event"
So there ya go,end of story or maybe you'd like to dispute what the oxford dictionary has to say never mind the crap i might come out with(i ain't perfect but the oxford dictionary is as close as you can get!)
As for knowing sfa about Paul McGrath it doesn't matter, as i already told you(getting sick of repeating things for you and writing out again what has already been written) i threw him in as an EXAMPLE,doesn't matter if he was a good one or not,that would be just nit picking.
Wow, i can't make it any clearer than that for you.
I hope ya realise i ain't looking to have a go at you but tis fairly annoying having someone come out with the same arguement that was proven wrong earlier in the thread.

MorningStar

deisedevil wrote:

It's ok Morningstar, unlike you i don't look down on people who make grammar mistakes, it's much too petty. In the words of Michael Jackass "shamon muddafuka, heeeee heeeee"

You might not but other people do and if you are unable to interact beyond your social circle and are happy with that feel free. If every second word out of a person mnoth is incorrect and/or a expletive I will look down on them as they show me and themselves no respect. Other people do this too and everybody from all walks of life do it both ways. I am pretty sure you rate me as a snob now for example

I explained from the start on the other thread that common use can change the meaning of a word or acceptable use. You seemed to miss this. Written English conforms to different standards than spoken word. Forums can be considered spoken word.

Either way sports personality being worshipped for achievements are by far overratted. Anybody who spends there working life basically acting like a walking advertisement is a bit pathetic.
I think it is so silly that people spend a ton of money on team kits for the privledge to advertise the sponsor of the football club.
There are people calling Beckham a religious icon, I don't remeber the bible mentioning Jesus' sponsorship deals from a donkey dealership. JC says Grant's Donkeys for me!

MrJoeSoap

Sheesh, what is the problem here MorningStar? I swear plenty and use slang a lot, and you are saying that because of this you "look down" on me? Chill out!

Or does the Oxford dictionary definition of "chill" and "out" not relate to relaxing the self?

MorningStar

MrJoeSoap wrote:

Sheesh, what is the problem here MorningStar? I swear plenty and use slang a lot, and you are saying that because of this you "look down" on me? Chill out!

Or does the Oxford dictionary definition of "chill" and "out" not relate to relaxing the self?

I am very chilled out. If you talk to a complete stranger in that manner expect people to look down at you. It just shows ignorance of language and manners. It really doesn't bother me that much at all it depends on the situation. If you talk that way all the time you won't be acceptable in certain social situations. It goes both ways, if you don't fit in your surrounding you don't fit. If you want to speak using words incorrectly you just indicate education and social economic group. If you are happy than fine but people will think less of you and it is one of the reasons why scumbags are so violent.

I dislike the prasie heaped upon sports personalities who don't really contribute much for the attention.

deisedevil

Your a Liar MorningStar!!!!! Here's what you said in reaction to one of my posts. you said that a famous sporting person could not be called a legend. for gods sake it's no big deal,it's there for everyone to see,just accept you got it wrong and leave it go.



Quote:
Originally Posted by deisedevil
Take note of the usage:

Today a legend can also be a person or achievement worthy of inspiring such a story—anyone or anything whose fame promises to be enduring, even if the renown is created more by the etc...

MorningStars reply:

Note your website is american-english

Common use can change the use of a word but it still doesn't make it correct. It's a colloquialism that easily enters the more simple writting of sports reporting . The English language has no guardians unlike French but either way it is not correct English at present! AT best you can say sporting legend indicating it doesn't make the person a legend.


And yes you are a snob if you treat people like idiots for using a word in the wrong place etc.as you said earlier in the thread.you act like you are far more superior than most yet your posts are riddled with spelling mistakes and you obviously do not understand the english language as well as you think. And what the hell would you know about my social circle?? You don't know me so how in gods name do you get the idea that i can't interact with people outside my social circle? I have friends who are lawyers another good friend who is a dentist and a few friends who are now lecturing in college. Just because one person might be more well spoken and have a larger vocabulary than another does not mean they will look down on them or think they are an idiot, only d***heads do that!!(that's right a bad word, used by people in the real world!!

MorningStar

deisedevil wrote:

Your a Liar MorningStar!!!!! Here's what you said in reaction to one of my posts. you said that a famous sporting person could not be called a legend. for gods sake it's no big deal,it's there for everyone to see,just accept you got it wrong and leave it go.

Should not is what I suggested and it is point of opinion so I can equally call you wrong. I also siad I have a slight problem with spelling due to a disability. you want slag me over that fine.
Your social manners are obviously flawed if you can't even discuss language use with out expletives.

If you don't think speaking in slang and curses doesn't effect how you are seen and treated than you are blind to society. I never said beat people for languae use just that it has an effect.

Again it really doesn't bother me that much but I certainly don't think sports people deserve such praise. Which was really my point you just decided to start another thread about language use. I still defend my situation and am able to do so with out resorting to insults like yourself. You no nothing about me either yet you can make all your decisions about me without controlling your temper.

deisedevil

MorningStar wrote:

Should not is what I suggested and it is point of opinion so I can equally call you wrong. I also siad I have a slight problem with spelling due to a disability. you want slag me over that fine.
Your social manners are obviously flawed if you can't even discuss language use with out expletives.

If you don't think speaking in slang and curses doesn't effect how you are seen and treated than you are blind to society. I never said beat people for languae use just that it has an effect.

Again it really doesn't bother me that much but I certainly don't think sports people deserve such praise. Which was really my point you just decided to start another thread about language use. I still defend my situation and am able to do so with out resorting to insults like yourself. You no nothing about me either yet you can make all your decisions about me without controlling your temper.

STOP TELLING LIES!! At no point did you say you have a spelling disability!I would never slag somebody off just because they can't write properly,that's just childish. If you have a problem with writing the english language and are inept in this regard then why are you being such a hypocrite and saying you look down on those who cannot speak properly??? I would always choose not to speak to people who would look down on someone because they do not sound as educated as them. The use of slang or curses can be used in informal situations, it's not like every second word out of my mouth is an expletive,i know when and where i could say it without causing too much offence.
In fairness there has been a lot of people posting here who have been very annoyed by your comments so maybe you should have a good look at the way you conduct yourself.
Also of course you are most definetly entitled to your opinion that sports stars do not deserve to be called legends but that is not what you started out with, you said that it was incorrect in the english language to call them legends which is of course untrue.

MrJoeSoap

MorningStar, perhaps if you do have a spelling disability then you should be more accepting of people who (either through choice or through education) are not as obviously well-learned in the use of language as yourself.

If I choose to speak using slang or swear words that is my choice and if it indicates an "education or social group" like you say it does, that is surely a problem on the part of the listener. If I am in conversation and happen to use slang, and somebody see's that as being indicative of my social status and/or education level, how is that my problem?

To be blatantly honest, your entire argument reeks of hypocrisy and I consider it overwhelmingly condescending.

Sifo

MorningStar wrote:

Other people do this too and everybody from all walks of life do it both ways.

Like a Bisexual?

MorningStar

If you want to ignore the society you live in fine!

People are judged by their apperance, accent and use of language. It may not be fair but it is a reality. You may want to have a moral standards and claim that you judge people by the person they are but you are just lying to yourself or unaware of the sublties of interaction. I am at least honest in what I am saying.
You are right I didn't mention my disability because I changed my mind in mentioning big deal. But your speed to insult just shows again your lack of ability to discuss something due to your lack of language skills. You are just not old enough or mature enough to discuss a point and realise the world you live in.

As I will say again it doesn't bother me that much I think the praise of sports people is overblown. I think it is rude to curse when talking to people in general especially if you don't know them. That is what I look down upon. In the classical sense use of legend is incorrect but it was always said with my toungue in my cheek. You started this thread about the point. To call somebody a sporting legend you still have to put the sporting part in for it to work. If you ask a question like who is this legend? (the original question) It would suggest the classical sense which was my point yet you wanted to disect everthing I say fine enjoy yourself.

Flip out some more if you want because I am aware of the world I live in and the dislike I have for vulgar language and the effect it has on you and others.

As for people agreeing with your point I repeat 1000 idiot agreeing on a point doesn't make it right.

deisedevil

MorningStar wrote:

If you want to ignore the society you live in fine!

People are judged by their apperance, accent and use of language. It may not be fair but it is a reality. You may want to have a moral standards and claim that you judge people by the person they are but you are just lying to yourself or unaware of the sublties of interaction. I am at least honest in what I am saying.
You are right I didn't mention my disability because I changed my mind in mentioning big deal. But your speed to insult just shows again your lack of ability to discuss something due to your lack of language skills. You are just not old enough or mature enough to discuss a point and realise the world you live in.

As I will say again it doesn't bother me that much I think the praise of sports people is overblown. I think it is rude to curse when talking to people in general especially if you don't know them. That is what I look down upon. In the classical sense use of legend is incorrect but it was always said with my toungue in my cheek. You started this thread about the point. To call somebody a sporting legend you still have to put the sporting part in for it to work. If you ask a question like who is this legend? (the original question) It would suggest the classical sense which was my point yet you wanted to disect everthing I say fine enjoy yourself.

Flip out some more if you want because I am aware of the world I live in and the dislike I have for vulgar language and the effect it has on you and others.

As for people agreeing with your point I repeat 1000 idiot agreeing on a point doesn't make it right.

You are such a hypocrite. You were slagging off people who didn't use words in the correct way yet you were making mistakes all over the place in what you were posting yourself, i was not the first to point this out and i was not slagging you i was pointing out how much of a hypocrite you are!
You have just said "People are judged by their apperance, accent and use of language. It may not be fair but it is a reality." So you are then one of those who are not fair!! you are one of those who judge a person and look down on them for the way they speak. Stop being a hypocrite!
You have said "You may want to have a moral standards and claim that you judge people by the person they are but you are just lying to yourself or unaware of the sublties of interaction." You don't know me and have never met me(thankfully) so you cannot make this point, i do not judge someone or look down on them or think in my own mind that they are an idiot because of the way they speak or the way they dress,i wait to see what they are like as a person before i decide whether i like them or not and even then i don't make a big deal of it,everyone deserves a chance, because you don't know me you do not know if this is true so you are just making an assumption that i fall under your statement based on ?? who knows what.(and for what it's worth it's a false assumption.)
Here you have said"You are right I didn't mention my disability because I changed my mind in mentioning big deal. But your speed to insult just shows again your lack of ability to discuss something due to your lack of language skills." You were very quick to accuse me of slagging you off after you had explained you had a problem(which of course you didn't),be careful not to accuse people in the wrong. It shows your lack of language skills that you cannot see i was not slagging you off at all,merely pointing out that you were calling people idiots for not being able to speak in the correct way yet you had a problem yourself in expressing your opinions through writing! Your a hypocrite!
"You are just not old enough or mature enough to discuss a point and realise the world you live in." Total rubbish. The world i live in,lmao,you are now trying to say that because in the world we live in people get put down for the way they speak,dress etc.that i should just realise this(i do!) and accept it and not be annoyed with people like you who are guilty of doing it! Get lost!

" I will say again it doesn't bother me that much I think the praise of sports people is overblown."
Your right to your opinion on this was never in question,stop trying to make it look like it was, it's not the issue at all.

"I think it is rude to curse when talking to people in general especially if you don't know them. That is what I look down upon." Stop telling lies again, you said you look down upon people who cannot use words correctly like 'legend' and that you think they are idiots! It's all written down further back,were you hoping people might not bother to look back and accept your now changed views.
"You started this thread about the point. To call somebody a sporting legend you still have to put the sporting part in for it to work." As was proved(and i'm saying this for the 3rd or 4th time) this statement is incorrect!

"As for people agreeing with your point I repeat 1000 idiot agreeing on a point doesn't make it right" Nope it doesn't make it right but the Oxford English Dictionary did prove it to be correct! So it doesn't matter what us idiots think(yourself included).

How was that for disection! Your exactly the kind of person i cannot stand. I don't know you so i can't be sure but from what you are writing you are coming across as arrogant,condecending and full of your own self importance.
No harm that the people in here have knocked you down a few knotches if this is truely the case!!!!

MrJoeSoap

If there is anyone reading this thread who isn't posting could they please express some sort of opinion because I really can't believe what I'm hearing from MorningStar.

You may want to have a moral standards and claim that you judge people by the person they are but you are just lying to yourself or unaware of the sublties of interaction.

Yes I do want to have moral standards, I do want to judge people by the person they are and I am NOT lying to myself.

Your opinion seems so rigid that I would love to see what your friends are actually like. Perfect specimens and perfect speakers of the English language by the sounds of it.

deisedevil

MrJoeSoap wrote:

If there is anyone reading this thread who isn't posting could they please express some sort of opinion because I really can't believe what I'm hearing from MorningStar.



Yes I do want to have moral standards, I do want to judge people by the person they are and I am NOT lying to myself.

Your opinion seems so rigid that I would love to see what your friends are actually like. Perfect specimens and perfect speakers of the English language by the sounds of it.

Well said! If anyone his having a look at this go through the whole thread. Ya it's long and boring,lol. But maybe morningstar will start to see sense with a few more peoples posts. Maybe not though,he doesn't seem to have a very high opinion of people on boards. Maybe he's a product of top pedigree breeding and is too good for us mere mongrels,lol.

MorningStar

deisedevil wrote:

How was that for disection! Your exactly the kind of person i cannot stand. I don't know you so i can't be sure but from what you are writing you are coming across as arrogant,condecending and full of your own self importance.
No harm that the people in here have knocked you down a few knotches if this is truely the case!!!!

A bit pathetic really.
You are a child full of your own importance. There are no set rules in the English language as I pointed out early on unlike French. Your arrogance in being correct is hypocritical if you want to be honest with yourself.
You think I am even vaguely knocked down by the likes that frequent After Hours you are mistaken. Clueless teens up to early 20s who all think they know better. I have yet to see this generation look out for anybody but themselves.
We are all part of society and we all judge people. If you think you don't you are kidding yourself and judging me on my view. It is human nature to blend into your social surroundings. You see somebody wearing a shirt supporting the team you support you are automatically going to be a bit more receptive to them. If you seem same guy with an opposing team you will be slightly hostile.
Life and the world are unfair unless you donate a good portion of your wage to the underprivledge you are compliant in the society of unfairness. I am compliant in acceptable language and manners You are the liar just doing it to yourself. I am glad I irritate you so much because maybe it will make you actually think outside of your small isolated view of perfection and how people should treat each other. I think people should have manners and try to talk correctly but you think we should be able to offend anybody and be ignorant. Your world sounds so much better :rolleyes:

Kinetic^

Michelle De Bruin is a legend

adonis

morningstar is joking, he has to be.

To call somebody a sporting legend you still have to put thesporting part in for it to work.

You should really have called it an adjective.
one can normally reduce redundancy of excess words (commonly known as drivel) by using a single word. Im surprised you were not aware of that.

anyway, whats wrong with cursing, is it not part of the english language?

plus i hear paul mc grath is also a legend down the pub

deisedevil

MorningStar wrote:

You think I am even vaguely knocked down by the likes that frequent After Hours you are mistaken. Clueless teens up to early 20s who all think they know better. I have yet to see this generation look out for anybody but themselves.

So if you have such a dim view of the people posting in After Hours why are you bothering to grace us with your presence and your superior knowledge? Just to show us clueless early twenty's that we don't know better?? Get lost!
Arrogant Git!! :mad:

MorningStar

MrJoeSoap wrote:

Yes I do want to have moral standards, I do want to judge people by the person they are and I am NOT lying to myself.
.

Morningstar wrote:

... or unaware of the sublties of interaction.

You can't help it. You are judging me right now for what I have said. If you rang your bank and somebody in flat Dublin accent answered saying "Story bud?" You would have no feeling about it? You are talking nonsense.
I am just saying language is important on how people interact. If you don't think it is great for you but it effects how others view you. You don't care great for you but it will still effect you.

adonis

MorningStar wrote:

You can't help it. You are judging me right now for what I have said. If you rang your bank and somebody in flat Dublin accent answered saying "Story bud?" You would have no feeling about it? You are talking nonsense.
I am just saying language is important on how people interact. If you don't think it is great for you but it effects how others view you. You don't care great for you but it will still effect you.

of course one is judged on what one says..i hope that didnt just dawn on you recently and you feel that you have to impart that knowledge to the masses..
what you are saying is nonsense, so if i was to judge you on the nonsense that you spout i would call you a www.thesauras.com

MorningStar

deisedevil wrote:

So if you have such a dim view of the people posting in After Hours why are you bothering to grace us with your presence and your superior knowledge? Just to show us clueless early twenty's that we don't know better?? Get lost!
Arrogant Git!! :mad:

Obviously to teach you some manners

Sometimes it is funny how clueless you are and act equally stupid. You are getting angry over something you can't control and it is a reality we live with every day. You really need to chill out and grow up.

There is nothing arrogant about having an opinion or being better educated on a subject. :rolleyes:

MrJoeSoap

MorningStar wrote:

If you rang your bank and somebody in flat Dublin accent answered saying "Story bud?" You would have no feeling about it?

I would find it unusual, but only because it doesn't usually happen like this and I'm sure bank officials are taught to speak in a certain manner. I regularly greet my friends with "Story bud". What do you think of this? What sort of a person am I?

MorningStar wrote:

You don't care great for you but it will still effect you.

If you are so concerned about the correct use of language, how come you cannot even grasp the basics of punctuation? Seriously, the pot is calling the kettle black here.

MorningStar

adonis wrote:

of course one is judged on what one says..i hope that didnt just dawn on you recently and you feel that you have to impart that knowledge to the masses..
what you are saying is nonsense, so if i was to judge you on the nonsense that you spout i would call you a www.thesauras.com

You are calling me a weblink???

I was saying you are judged by both how and what you say. Are you saying you aren't or that you just shouldn't be?
I think if you act ill mannered expect people to look at you a particular way. You don't care great I have a view of my surroundings and don't want to have to put up with bad language when I am walking around. It's simply pollution of my surroundings and shows a lack of respect for self and others.

MorningStar

MrJoeSoap wrote:

If you are so concerned about the correct use of language, how come you cannot even grasp the basics of punctuation. Seriously, the pot is calling the kettle black here.

When I am writing a novel or formal letter I will take my time. I am not moving from my point of view I just don't think it as important as people think I do.

I made a tounge in cheek remark and it is being overblown by people who can bearly control their emotions.

Sifo

MrJoeSoap wrote:

MorningStar, perhaps if you do have a spelling disability then you should be more accepting of people who (either through choice or through education) are not as obviously well-learned in the use of language as yourself.

If I choose to speak using slang or swear words that is my choice and if it indicates an "education or social group" like you say it does, that is surely a problem on the part of the listener. If I am in conversation and happen to use slang, and somebody see's that as being indicative of my social status and/or education level, how is that my problem?

To be blatantly honest, your entire argument reeks of hypocrisy and I consider it overwhelmingly condescending.

Well put...

My advice is to totally ignore "spellcheck", i mean "morningstar". If every person i knew spoke as you do i personally would find them boring and irritating. I understand you may be well educated or have parents who speak this way, but not all people are blessed with the chance of the finest education money can buy!!! Sometimes you need to use slang to get the emotion across!! Ja meeen!!

adonis

id have to agree with joesoap..disability or no, your english is awful...thats a judegement i am making based on what you have said...I would have thought that someone with a disability in this area would have empathised a little more with people who are not very good at english..then again, im generalising

MorningStar

MrJoeSoap wrote:

I would find it unusual, but only because it doesn't usually happen like this and I'm sure bank officials are taught to speak in a certain manner. I regularly greet my friends with "Story bud". What do you think of this? What sort of a person am I?

It depends are you saying it as a joke like I would with a fake strong dublin accent or that is the genral manner you speak?

If it were your regular manner of speech I would assume you come form a low social economic group from Dublin.

Bank officials are taught to treat people with respect and manners. They won't hire people if their accents are too strong or if they lack basic manners.

One of the basic problems of poverty is your social manners prevents opportunities just as often as education. You might not believe me and that is fine but how much study have you put into it?

adonis

thats just plain ignorant...and your point of associating a certain accent with a certain background is also junk. I dont even want to bother arguing this case. I think you may have lived a very sheltered life. Does daddy work for a bank?
Some of the greatest legends of our times have come from poor backgrounds..even bloody jesus was from a poor background...as was paul mc grath!!!!!!
its just like every generalisation, its borne out of ignorance and fear..

MorningStar

adonis wrote:

id have to agree with joesoap..disability or no, your english is awful...thats a judegement i am making based on what you have said...I would have thought that someone with a disability in this area would have empathised a little more with people who are not very good at english..then again, im generalising

My typing is terrible! I can empathises with anybody who has a problem with anything. We are talking about lazy and stupid use of language and the lack of desire to speak or act in reasonably polite manner.

Sifo wrote:

My advice is to totally ignore "spellcheck", i mean "morningstar". If every person i knew spoke as you do i personally would find them boring and irritating. I understand you may be well educated or have parents who speak this way, but not all people are blessed with the chance of the finest education money can buy!!! Sometimes you need to use slang to get the emotion across!! Ja meeen!!

Yes using the same curse word repeatedly in a conversation is not boring :rolleyes:
You don't need to rich to be polite or even want to better yourself. What my parents have to do with this is bewildering. I am old enough to have differnt views to my parents which you might not be able to but I am.

I have nothing aginst slang just it's over use combined with cursing. Again I was half joking about the word legend as it's use about a sports personality is overkill. I also commented the use of language effects who you can and how you socialise.

People are making me out to be some language purist and are denying the reality around them. You are either doing it out of being nieve or stupidity. Either way I am not half as bothered as you lot are about how language use actually does effect perception. I didn't make the world like that it just is. If somebody sounds like they aren't even trying to talk correctly I think they are lazy and or ill educated. I am happy with that predjudice if you aren't I don't care. You don't think you do it well I am amazed because it goes against all the studies about how people interact. Birds of a feather flock together. :eek:

MorningStar

adonis wrote:

thats just plain ignorant...and your point of associating a certain accent with a certain background is also junk.

its just like every generalisation, its borne out of ignorance and fear..

No the theory that we are all the same and equally treated is junk you just don't know it!

If you speak a particulary way the chances are you come from a particular background. Generalisation yes but 90% correct, it would stupid to deny it. If you have a french accent chances are you spent some time in France. :rolleyes:

Generalisations aren't bourne out of ignorance quite the opposite. They may be unfairly applied but it doesn't make them untrue. Know the difference and don't assume views for me. Accents come from you background. If you speak with a flat common accent in any country the chances are you come from a poor situation.

Don't believe me but what stdies have you looked at? What education have you done that tells you different? Is it just a view?