Legend or not?

MorningStar · 16-09-2005 02:24PM

If you want to ignore the society you live in fine!

People are judged by their apperance, accent and use of language. It may not be fair but it is a reality. You may want to have a moral standards and claim that you judge people by the person they are but you are just lying to yourself or unaware of the sublties of interaction. I am at least honest in what I am saying.
You are right I didn't mention my disability because I changed my mind in mentioning big deal. But your speed to insult just shows again your lack of ability to discuss something due to your lack of language skills. You are just not old enough or mature enough to discuss a point and realise the world you live in.

As I will say again it doesn't bother me that much I think the praise of sports people is overblown. I think it is rude to curse when talking to people in general especially if you don't know them. That is what I look down upon. In the classical sense use of legend is incorrect but it was always said with my toungue in my cheek. You started this thread about the point. To call somebody a sporting legend you still have to put the sporting part in for it to work. If you ask a question like who is this legend? (the original question) It would suggest the classical sense which was my point yet you wanted to disect everthing I say fine enjoy yourself.

Flip out some more if you want because I am aware of the world I live in and the dislike I have for vulgar language and the effect it has on you and others.

As for people agreeing with your point I repeat 1000 idiot agreeing on a point doesn't make it right.

deisedevil · 16-09-2005 03:11PM

MorningStar wrote:

If you want to ignore the society you live in fine!

People are judged by their apperance, accent and use of language. It may not be fair but it is a reality. You may want to have a moral standards and claim that you judge people by the person they are but you are just lying to yourself or unaware of the sublties of interaction. I am at least honest in what I am saying.
You are right I didn't mention my disability because I changed my mind in mentioning big deal. But your speed to insult just shows again your lack of ability to discuss something due to your lack of language skills. You are just not old enough or mature enough to discuss a point and realise the world you live in.

As I will say again it doesn't bother me that much I think the praise of sports people is overblown. I think it is rude to curse when talking to people in general especially if you don't know them. That is what I look down upon. In the classical sense use of legend is incorrect but it was always said with my toungue in my cheek. You started this thread about the point. To call somebody a sporting legend you still have to put the sporting part in for it to work. If you ask a question like who is this legend? (the original question) It would suggest the classical sense which was my point yet you wanted to disect everthing I say fine enjoy yourself.

Flip out some more if you want because I am aware of the world I live in and the dislike I have for vulgar language and the effect it has on you and others.

As for people agreeing with your point I repeat 1000 idiot agreeing on a point doesn't make it right.

You are such a hypocrite. You were slagging off people who didn't use words in the correct way yet you were making mistakes all over the place in what you were posting yourself, i was not the first to point this out and i was not slagging you i was pointing out how much of a hypocrite you are!
You have just said "People are judged by their apperance, accent and use of language. It may not be fair but it is a reality." So you are then one of those who are not fair!! you are one of those who judge a person and look down on them for the way they speak. Stop being a hypocrite!
You have said "You may want to have a moral standards and claim that you judge people by the person they are but you are just lying to yourself or unaware of the sublties of interaction." You don't know me and have never met me(thankfully) so you cannot make this point, i do not judge someone or look down on them or think in my own mind that they are an idiot because of the way they speak or the way they dress,i wait to see what they are like as a person before i decide whether i like them or not and even then i don't make a big deal of it,everyone deserves a chance, because you don't know me you do not know if this is true so you are just making an assumption that i fall under your statement based on ?? who knows what.(and for what it's worth it's a false assumption.)
Here you have said"You are right I didn't mention my disability because I changed my mind in mentioning big deal. But your speed to insult just shows again your lack of ability to discuss something due to your lack of language skills." You were very quick to accuse me of slagging you off after you had explained you had a problem(which of course you didn't),be careful not to accuse people in the wrong. It shows your lack of language skills that you cannot see i was not slagging you off at all,merely pointing out that you were calling people idiots for not being able to speak in the correct way yet you had a problem yourself in expressing your opinions through writing! Your a hypocrite!
"You are just not old enough or mature enough to discuss a point and realise the world you live in." Total rubbish. The world i live in,lmao,you are now trying to say that because in the world we live in people get put down for the way they speak,dress etc.that i should just realise this(i do!) and accept it and not be annoyed with people like you who are guilty of doing it! Get lost!

" I will say again it doesn't bother me that much I think the praise of sports people is overblown."
Your right to your opinion on this was never in question,stop trying to make it look like it was, it's not the issue at all.

"I think it is rude to curse when talking to people in general especially if you don't know them. That is what I look down upon." Stop telling lies again, you said you look down upon people who cannot use words correctly like 'legend' and that you think they are idiots! It's all written down further back,were you hoping people might not bother to look back and accept your now changed views.
"You started this thread about the point. To call somebody a sporting legend you still have to put the sporting part in for it to work." As was proved(and i'm saying this for the 3rd or 4th time) this statement is incorrect!

"As for people agreeing with your point I repeat 1000 idiot agreeing on a point doesn't make it right" Nope it doesn't make it right but the Oxford English Dictionary did prove it to be correct! So it doesn't matter what us idiots think(yourself included).

How was that for disection! Your exactly the kind of person i cannot stand. I don't know you so i can't be sure but from what you are writing you are coming across as arrogant,condecending and full of your own self importance.
No harm that the people in here have knocked you down a few knotches if this is truely the case!!!!

MrJoeSoap · 16-09-2005 03:31PM

If there is anyone reading this thread who isn't posting could they please express some sort of opinion because I really can't believe what I'm hearing from MorningStar.

You may want to have a moral standards and claim that you judge people by the person they are but you are just lying to yourself or unaware of the sublties of interaction.

Yes I do want to have moral standards, I do want to judge people by the person they are and I am NOT lying to myself.

Your opinion seems so rigid that I would love to see what your friends are actually like. Perfect specimens and perfect speakers of the English language by the sounds of it.

deisedevil · 16-09-2005 03:39PM

MrJoeSoap wrote:

If there is anyone reading this thread who isn't posting could they please express some sort of opinion because I really can't believe what I'm hearing from MorningStar.

Yes I do want to have moral standards, I do want to judge people by the person they are and I am NOT lying to myself.

Your opinion seems so rigid that I would love to see what your friends are actually like. Perfect specimens and perfect speakers of the English language by the sounds of it.

Well said! If anyone his having a look at this go through the whole thread. Ya it's long and boring,lol. But maybe morningstar will start to see sense with a few more peoples posts. Maybe not though,he doesn't seem to have a very high opinion of people on boards. Maybe he's a product of top pedigree breeding and is too good for us mere mongrels,lol.

MorningStar · 16-09-2005 03:41PM

deisedevil wrote:

How was that for disection! Your exactly the kind of person i cannot stand. I don't know you so i can't be sure but from what you are writing you are coming across as arrogant,condecending and full of your own self importance.
No harm that the people in here have knocked you down a few knotches if this is truely the case!!!!

A bit pathetic really.
You are a child full of your own importance. There are no set rules in the English language as I pointed out early on unlike French. Your arrogance in being correct is hypocritical if you want to be honest with yourself.
You think I am even vaguely knocked down by the likes that frequent After Hours you are mistaken. Clueless teens up to early 20s who all think they know better. I have yet to see this generation look out for anybody but themselves.
We are all part of society and we all judge people. If you think you don't you are kidding yourself and judging me on my view. It is human nature to blend into your social surroundings. You see somebody wearing a shirt supporting the team you support you are automatically going to be a bit more receptive to them. If you seem same guy with an opposing team you will be slightly hostile.
Life and the world are unfair unless you donate a good portion of your wage to the underprivledge you are compliant in the society of unfairness. I am compliant in acceptable language and manners You are the liar just doing it to yourself. I am glad I irritate you so much because maybe it will make you actually think outside of your small isolated view of perfection and how people should treat each other. I think people should have manners and try to talk correctly but you think we should be able to offend anybody and be ignorant. Your world sounds so much better :rolleyes:

Kinetic^ · 16-09-2005 03:43PM

Michelle De Bruin is a legend

adonis · 16-09-2005 03:48PM

morningstar is joking, he has to be.

To call somebody a sporting legend you still have to put thesporting part in for it to work.

You should really have called it an adjective.
one can normally reduce redundancy of excess words (commonly known as drivel) by using a single word. Im surprised you were not aware of that.

anyway, whats wrong with cursing, is it not part of the english language?

plus i hear paul mc grath is also a legend down the pub

deisedevil · 16-09-2005 03:52PM

MorningStar wrote:

You think I am even vaguely knocked down by the likes that frequent After Hours you are mistaken. Clueless teens up to early 20s who all think they know better. I have yet to see this generation look out for anybody but themselves.

So if you have such a dim view of the people posting in After Hours why are you bothering to grace us with your presence and your superior knowledge? Just to show us clueless early twenty's that we don't know better?? Get lost!
Arrogant Git!! :mad:

MorningStar · 16-09-2005 03:57PM

MrJoeSoap wrote:

Yes I do want to have moral standards, I do want to judge people by the person they are and I am NOT lying to myself.
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Morningstar wrote:

... or unaware of the sublties of interaction.

You can't help it. You are judging me right now for what I have said. If you rang your bank and somebody in flat Dublin accent answered saying "Story bud?" You would have no feeling about it? You are talking nonsense.
I am just saying language is important on how people interact. If you don't think it is great for you but it effects how others view you. You don't care great for you but it will still effect you.

adonis · 16-09-2005 04:00PM

MorningStar wrote:

You can't help it. You are judging me right now for what I have said. If you rang your bank and somebody in flat Dublin accent answered saying "Story bud?" You would have no feeling about it? You are talking nonsense.
I am just saying language is important on how people interact. If you don't think it is great for you but it effects how others view you. You don't care great for you but it will still effect you.

of course one is judged on what one says..i hope that didnt just dawn on you recently and you feel that you have to impart that knowledge to the masses..
what you are saying is nonsense, so if i was to judge you on the nonsense that you spout i would call you a www.thesauras.com

MorningStar · 16-09-2005 04:02PM

deisedevil wrote:

So if you have such a dim view of the people posting in After Hours why are you bothering to grace us with your presence and your superior knowledge? Just to show us clueless early twenty's that we don't know better?? Get lost!
Arrogant Git!! :mad:

Obviously to teach you some manners

Sometimes it is funny how clueless you are and act equally stupid. You are getting angry over something you can't control and it is a reality we live with every day. You really need to chill out and grow up.

There is nothing arrogant about having an opinion or being better educated on a subject. :rolleyes:

MrJoeSoap · 16-09-2005 04:07PM

MorningStar wrote:

If you rang your bank and somebody in flat Dublin accent answered saying "Story bud?" You would have no feeling about it?

I would find it unusual, but only because it doesn't usually happen like this and I'm sure bank officials are taught to speak in a certain manner. I regularly greet my friends with "Story bud". What do you think of this? What sort of a person am I?

MorningStar wrote:

You don't care great for you but it will still effect you.

If you are so concerned about the correct use of language, how come you cannot even grasp the basics of punctuation? Seriously, the pot is calling the kettle black here.

MorningStar · 16-09-2005 04:07PM

adonis wrote:

of course one is judged on what one says..i hope that didnt just dawn on you recently and you feel that you have to impart that knowledge to the masses..
what you are saying is nonsense, so if i was to judge you on the nonsense that you spout i would call you a www.thesauras.com

You are calling me a weblink???

I was saying you are judged by both how and what you say. Are you saying you aren't or that you just shouldn't be?
I think if you act ill mannered expect people to look at you a particular way. You don't care great I have a view of my surroundings and don't want to have to put up with bad language when I am walking around. It's simply pollution of my surroundings and shows a lack of respect for self and others.

MorningStar · 16-09-2005 04:12PM

MrJoeSoap wrote:

If you are so concerned about the correct use of language, how come you cannot even grasp the basics of punctuation. Seriously, the pot is calling the kettle black here.

When I am writing a novel or formal letter I will take my time. I am not moving from my point of view I just don't think it as important as people think I do.

I made a tounge in cheek remark and it is being overblown by people who can bearly control their emotions.

Sifo · 16-09-2005 04:17PM

MrJoeSoap wrote:

MorningStar, perhaps if you do have a spelling disability then you should be more accepting of people who (either through choice or through education) are not as obviously well-learned in the use of language as yourself.

If I choose to speak using slang or swear words that is my choice and if it indicates an "education or social group" like you say it does, that is surely a problem on the part of the listener. If I am in conversation and happen to use slang, and somebody see's that as being indicative of my social status and/or education level, how is that my problem?

To be blatantly honest, your entire argument reeks of hypocrisy and I consider it overwhelmingly condescending.

Well put...

My advice is to totally ignore "spellcheck", i mean "morningstar". If every person i knew spoke as you do i personally would find them boring and irritating. I understand you may be well educated or have parents who speak this way, but not all people are blessed with the chance of the finest education money can buy!!! Sometimes you need to use slang to get the emotion across!! Ja meeen!!

adonis · 16-09-2005 04:18PM

id have to agree with joesoap..disability or no, your english is awful...thats a judegement i am making based on what you have said...I would have thought that someone with a disability in this area would have empathised a little more with people who are not very good at english..then again, im generalising

MorningStar · 16-09-2005 04:25PM

MrJoeSoap wrote:

I would find it unusual, but only because it doesn't usually happen like this and I'm sure bank officials are taught to speak in a certain manner. I regularly greet my friends with "Story bud". What do you think of this? What sort of a person am I?

It depends are you saying it as a joke like I would with a fake strong dublin accent or that is the genral manner you speak?

If it were your regular manner of speech I would assume you come form a low social economic group from Dublin.

Bank officials are taught to treat people with respect and manners. They won't hire people if their accents are too strong or if they lack basic manners.

One of the basic problems of poverty is your social manners prevents opportunities just as often as education. You might not believe me and that is fine but how much study have you put into it?

adonis · 16-09-2005 04:43PM

thats just plain ignorant...and your point of associating a certain accent with a certain background is also junk. I dont even want to bother arguing this case. I think you may have lived a very sheltered life. Does daddy work for a bank?
Some of the greatest legends of our times have come from poor backgrounds..even bloody jesus was from a poor background...as was paul mc grath!!!!!!
its just like every generalisation, its borne out of ignorance and fear..

MorningStar · 16-09-2005 04:48PM

adonis wrote:

id have to agree with joesoap..disability or no, your english is awful...thats a judegement i am making based on what you have said...I would have thought that someone with a disability in this area would have empathised a little more with people who are not very good at english..then again, im generalising

My typing is terrible! I can empathises with anybody who has a problem with anything. We are talking about lazy and stupid use of language and the lack of desire to speak or act in reasonably polite manner.

Sifo wrote:

My advice is to totally ignore "spellcheck", i mean "morningstar". If every person i knew spoke as you do i personally would find them boring and irritating. I understand you may be well educated or have parents who speak this way, but not all people are blessed with the chance of the finest education money can buy!!! Sometimes you need to use slang to get the emotion across!! Ja meeen!!

Yes using the same curse word repeatedly in a conversation is not boring :rolleyes:
You don't need to rich to be polite or even want to better yourself. What my parents have to do with this is bewildering. I am old enough to have differnt views to my parents which you might not be able to but I am.

I have nothing aginst slang just it's over use combined with cursing. Again I was half joking about the word legend as it's use about a sports personality is overkill. I also commented the use of language effects who you can and how you socialise.

People are making me out to be some language purist and are denying the reality around them. You are either doing it out of being nieve or stupidity. Either way I am not half as bothered as you lot are about how language use actually does effect perception. I didn't make the world like that it just is. If somebody sounds like they aren't even trying to talk correctly I think they are lazy and or ill educated. I am happy with that predjudice if you aren't I don't care. You don't think you do it well I am amazed because it goes against all the studies about how people interact. Birds of a feather flock together. :eek:

MorningStar · 16-09-2005 05:04PM

adonis wrote:

thats just plain ignorant...and your point of associating a certain accent with a certain background is also junk.

its just like every generalisation, its borne out of ignorance and fear..

No the theory that we are all the same and equally treated is junk you just don't know it!

If you speak a particulary way the chances are you come from a particular background. Generalisation yes but 90% correct, it would stupid to deny it. If you have a french accent chances are you spent some time in France. :rolleyes:

Generalisations aren't bourne out of ignorance quite the opposite. They may be unfairly applied but it doesn't make them untrue. Know the difference and don't assume views for me. Accents come from you background. If you speak with a flat common accent in any country the chances are you come from a poor situation.

Don't believe me but what stdies have you looked at? What education have you done that tells you different? Is it just a view?

deisedevil · 16-09-2005 05:06PM

MorningStar wrote:

If somebody sounds like they aren't even trying to talk correctly I think they are lazy and or ill educated. I am happy with that predjudice if you aren't I don't care. You don't think you do it well I am amazed because it goes against all the studies about how people interact. Birds of a feather flock together. :eek:

Your too lazy to take the time to type properly so should we assume that you are lazy and ill educated? I'm sick of your BS. My god your seriously stuck up!

deisedevil · 16-09-2005 05:12PM

MorningStar wrote:

No the theory that we are all the same and equally treated is junk you just don't know it!

If you speak a particulary way the chances are you come from a particular background. Generalisation yes but 90% correct, it would stupid to deny it. If you have a french accent chances are you spent some time in France. :rolleyes:

Generalisations aren't bourne out of ignorance quite the opposite. They may be unfairly applied but it doesn't make them untrue. Know the difference and don't assume views for me. Accents come from you background. If you speak with a flat common accent in any country the chances are you come from a poor situation.

Don't believe me but what stdies have you looked at? What education have you done that tells you different? Is it just a view?

That was one of my points about you, your totally right"Generalisations aren't bourne out of ignorance quite the opposite. They may be unfairly applied but it doesn't make them untrue." but no one said that they weren't true, what i said is that i chose to ignore people who might look down on me for the way speak or dress, they aren't better educated or better people than me, they shouldn't care less about the way someone speaks but they do, JUST LIKE YOU DO!! AND THAT IS WHAT MAKES YOU SUCH AN IDIOT! YOU KNOW THAT IT'S WRONG AND UNFAIR AND YOU SAY YOU DON'T CARE!! That is why you are rubbing everybody here up the wrong way!!

adonis · 16-09-2005 05:15PM

MorningStar wrote:

No the theory that we are all the same and equally treated is junk you just don't know it!

If you speak a particulary way the chances are you come from a particular background. Generalisation yes but 90% correct, it would stupid to deny it. If you have a french accent chances are you spent some time in France. :rolleyes:

Generalisations aren't bourne out of ignorance quite the opposite. They may be unfairly applied but it doesn't make them untrue. Know the difference and don't assume views for me. Accents come from you background. If you speak with a flat common accent in any country the chances are you come from a poor situation.

Don't believe me but what stdies have you looked at? What education have you done that tells you different? Is it just a view?

i never said that people with certain accents are not from certain areas.
I disagreed with you on the point that one can attribute certain characteristics to a person due to their accent, which one cannot, and if one does then one is ignorant and one has generalised. So, generalisation is borne out of ignorance (its kinda logical)
as you pointed out, we are not all the same, thus people with the same accent are going to have different personalities, skills and traits.
Therefore generalistion, in this area, further pointing out your ignorance.

i do agree with u one point, though it pains me to do so. People that don't attempt to speak better or improve themselves, whether mentally or physically are lazy.

go on paul mc grath you legend

MrJoeSoap · 16-09-2005 05:56PM

MorningStar wrote:

It depends are you saying it as a joke like I would with a fake strong dublin accent or that is the genral manner you speak?

It probably started out as a joke but now its completely natural, I say it to my friends and they say it to me and to each other. When my friends sign into MSN Messenger the first thing I usually type is "Story?" or "Story bud?". Chances are, if I bumped into my friend on the street, and I said "Aw, story bud?" or something similar, and you were within earshot, you would assume us to come from a low, social economic group from Dublin, which isn't exactly the case (although I'm not all too sure what you mean by this, I'm going to assume it means a lower-class area).

StupidLikeAFox · 16-09-2005 06:44PM

No offence lads, but who cares?

Your all with your society is this way and this shouldnt be like that. Who cares?

Incorrect grammar blah blah blah, who cares?

mindurownbusnes · 16-09-2005 07:47PM

This thread ran totally off topic.

Morning star I have to say that you might really be annoying people with your view. You are entitled to your view and no one can say that you are wrong or right, but remember, would you go out on the street in an area where there was no money given to, schools are falling down, and the infrastructure and community is being neglected by the "educated" or non educated politicians who's responsibility is to keep towns well run; and honestly expect your view to be respected by people there. I think not :rolleyes:

Remember that a lot of the world doesnt speak to your standard and you are living in your own world and limiting yourself to a specific social class! That is your choice.

But put it this way, a lot of upper class are crap at maths, I got an A1 and college degree in mathematics, so do you think I should look down on most people who are weak at maths? That would be neurotic!!

I had a learning disability in school, but could I do sums! I constantly corrected a snob teacher on addition mistakes and I remember making a holy show out of him after he commented on my parents presentation at the parent teacher meetings! He was a snobby pr*ck who moved into a neglected town where I was just to look important. Well, he's the one now stuck there trying to make himself feel better and superior over people who were just never given a chance in life, or maybe had some battles in their own personal life. THAT'S LIFE! People are people all born one, some with more some with less or none, it's how they live and use their strengths and weakness together that makes society one.

In other words there is a balance of everything in life, poor rich etc. Everything must be in enough quantity to balance the opposite eg poor and rich but it doesn't work out that way. Try and loose some bias because I can guarantee you, you ever see the movie Life Stinks with Mel Brooks, so what if he had money the asshole with the attitude almost destroyed him but his best friends were living on the streets in the end. Your attitude is based on artificial principles of assholes.

Believe me, if ethnic cleansing considered morning star not ethnically viable, they would execute still even if you could speak like a prince/princess. So have some respect for every aspect of society! Makes life easier!

MorningStar · 17-09-2005 11:31AM

You know what you are all a bit OTT and arrogant. You have built views into things I have said and building on one on top of the other.
Everybody generalises I am aware I do it. What I think about it has not really been said but a lot of assuming has.
I siad if somebody curses and uses words incorrectly I look down on them and the reason being it is disrespectfull to everyone, if your rude to me I'll be rude to you . I said this indicated the persons background and it does.
To bring in ethnic cleansing into the debate or other extreme hate filled views is not even close to what I have said.
With all your talk about listening to people and not judging you failed. You didn't listen to me only you listened to each other and made out views not expressed by me. You did exactly the worst of what you accused me of. You don't even notice how full of your own importance you all are and how you instictively banded together aginst an outside view or apperance of one. You generalised me into a type of person and assumed views.
You looked down on me for having a different view and didn't listen. Your views are worse than mine because you aren't aware and you think it isn't nice. I am aware and see why it is an important part of human nature. I never expressed a view that anybody who comes from a certain social economic back ground is anyway bad or good.
Call me an idiot all you like I know what I am doing and why. I never told you why and its importance. I will say to have respect for somebody they have to respect themselves and you otherwise it is impossible.
It's funny because most people think I am bleeding heart liberal.

MrJoeSoap · 17-09-2005 12:25PM

Morningstar, could you address us individually instead of as a collective because I don't exactly agree 100% with Deisedevil, Adonis or Mindurownbusnes on this one either. Its difficult to ascertain who you are addressing when you use the word "you" so frequently yet name nobody.

I never called you an idiot. Are you referring to me when you say I am "full of my own importance" or that I am "unaware."?

The only reason it may have seemed we "banded together" is because we agreed with each other on certain points and in the most part, we disagreed with you.

deisedevil · 17-09-2005 12:39PM

This thread has gone on way to long and off topic all over the place. I started it to find out if a famous person can be referred to as a legend and we found out that indeed they can be. End of story. This thread should be closed.

MrJoeSoap · 17-09-2005 12:44PM

I realise it has gone wayyyyyy off topic but I'm fascinated by Morningstars views so I hope it stays open for a while anyway. Apologies if we jacked your thread Deisedevil.

Paul McGrath is a legend, mainly for the 90 minutes he played vs Italy in 1994. Amazing player. Then again, I call some of my mates legends every day. I overuse the word so much that it has no meaning any more, like a cliche.

Legend or not?

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