Riots in Belfast

jonny68 · 13-09-2005 10:23PM

Johnny_the_fox wrote:

yeah... :rolleyes: "the Real Republicans" - that will continue to kill people, and maybe someday kill that "22 month old child" and are similar other 'scum'

classy. :rolleyes:

spoken like a true stoop or shinner :rolleyes:

Dave! · 13-09-2005 10:36PM

jonny68 wrote:

What sort of attitude is that to take FFS? :eek: Your more concerned about the fuc*in tourism industry when fellow countrymen in the North are coming under attack from Loyalist scum,WTF,Im sick of certain people's attitudes on here regarding the conflict in the North,it sometimes makes me ashamed to be Irish reading this cr*p, "ah sure we should forget all about the North it's not our problem" as Irish people you bet your fuc*in life it should be our problem,how would you fuc*in feel if you lived in the North and came under substained attack from Loyalists quite often?How would you feel if you lived in an area like the Short Strand in East Belfast,a Nationalist area surrounded by Loyalist areas where a Catholic man was almost kicked to death in an sectarian attack last week?

It's very easy for people here in the south to dismiss what's going on up there and those who do make me fuc*in sick,try put yourselves in their position,how would YOU feel if you lived in Befast and you read that your fellow countryman "couldn't really give a fu*k about what happens up there" you'd be appalled and sickened,people need to get real and show some solidarity with our fellow countrymen in the occupied 6 counties instead of dismisisng it out of hand.

hear hear

Supercell · 13-09-2005 10:38PM

jonny68 wrote:

What sort of attitude is that to take FFS? :eek: Your more concerned about the fuc*in tourism industry when fellow countrymen in the North are coming under attack from Loyalist scum,WTF,Im sick of certain people's attitudes on here regarding the conflict in the North,it sometimes makes me ashamed to be Irish reading this cr*p, "ah sure we should forget all about the North it's not our problem" as Irish people you bet your fuc*in life it should be our problem,how would you fuc*in feel if you lived in the North and came under substained attack from Loyalists quite often?How would you feel if you lived in an area like the Short Strand in East Belfast,a Nationalist area surrounded by Loyalist areas where a Catholic man was almost kicked to death in an sectarian attack last week?

It's very easy for people here in the south to dismiss what's going on up there and those who do make me fuc*in sick,try put yourselves in their position,how would YOU feel if you lived in Befast and you read that your fellow countryman "couldn't really give a fu*k about what happens up there" you'd be appalled and sickened,people need to get real and show some solidarity with our fellow countrymen in the occupied 6 counties instead of dismisisng it out of hand.

Well I do feel for the vast majority of decent people up there that are living with this but....

There has been rallies, there has been peace agreements there has been endless politial prattle..but this still goes on.

I'm sorry but I am a little jaded as are many others posting here about the whole thing...
No matter what happens..it always seems to happen again and again ..and its not just a Catholic or a Protestant thing..am completely sure there is senseless beatings happening to Protestants right now as "revenge" for the rioting..the cycle continues.

Personally think its time to let them sort themselves out..as it seems that NI politics can only be sorted out internally as all outside attmepts to help mediate etc falls on deaf ears...

Duckjob · 13-09-2005 10:44PM

jonny68 wrote:

What sort of attitude is that to take FFS? :eek: Your more concerned about the fuc*in tourism industry when fellow countrymen in the North are coming under attack from Loyalist scum,WTF,Im sick of certain people's attitudes on here regarding the conflict in the North,it sometimes makes me ashamed to be Irish reading this cr*p, "ah sure we should forget all about the North it's not our problem" as Irish people you bet your fuc*in life it should be our problem,how would you fuc*in feel if you lived in the North and came under substained attack from Loyalists quite often?How would you feel if you lived in an area like the Short Strand in East Belfast,a Nationalist area surrounded by Loyalist areas where a Catholic man was almost kicked to death in an sectarian attack last week?

It's very easy for people here in the south to dismiss what's going on up there and those who do make me fuc*in sick,try put yourselves in their position,how would YOU feel if you lived in Befast and you read that your fellow countryman "couldn't really give a fu*k about what happens up there" you'd be appalled and sickened,people need to get real and show some solidarity with our fellow countrymen in the occupied 6 counties instead of dismisisng it out of hand.

No offence, but it's exactly people with attitudes like yours on both sides that are the problem.

However distasteful if may be to the bigots, Northern Ireland is now home to two very different communities of people. If people on both sides were prepared to draw a line in the sand on what has happened in the past and start looking forward for a change, if they focused their energies on building their communities instead of tearing into each other like mindless savages, Northern Ireland might have some chance of peace.

jonny68 · 13-09-2005 10:47PM

Longfield wrote:

Well I do feel for the vast majority of decent people up there that are living with this but....

There has been rallies, there has been peace agreements there has been endless politial prattle..but this still goes on.

I'm sorry but I am a little jaded as are many others posting here about the whole thing...
No matter what happens..it always seems to happen again and again ..and its not just a Catholic or a Protestant thing..am completely sure there is senseless beatings happening to Protestants right now as "revenge" for the rioting..the cycle continues.

Personally think its time to let them sort themselves out..as it seems that NI politics can only be sorted out internally as all outside attmepts to help mediate etc falls on deaf ears...

Yes but it's time people in the south actually got up off their ars*s and done something about what's happening up there instead of sweeping it under the carpet and dismissing it out of hand.

Sure some Nationalists are as bad as Loyalists but overall threre can be no denying that the majority of Loyalists are the ones who are sectarian scum who have a deep rooted hatred of Catholics.

It's Loyalist terrorists who were behind this rioting,the UDA and UVF are the ones who gave the orders for youths and older people who really should know better to go out and cause maximum damage and destruction because some fuc*in parade was re-routed,what sort of an excuse is that?

The UDA should be made a proscribed organisation as for the UVF,ceasefire my ar*e,they were never on a ceasefire in the first place.

4Xcut · 13-09-2005 10:50PM

Nightwish wrote:

let them kill each other, is what I think. If the cops weren't there, who would they throw sh!t at? The place is a quagmire of hatred and bitterness. And idiots like Paisley and co. inciting it doesnt help.
What pi$$es me off the most is when I see kids, 10 year olds, and young teenagers out rioting. Firstly, why arent they in school? where are their parents? Why do the parents allow their kids to be invovled in such horrific acts of violence? I mean what kind of adults are these kids going to grow up to be?

don't mean to single yours out as several people said it.I'm all for let the scum kill the scum and that be that but innocent people get hurt aswell. Kids aren't exactly doing it with their parents backnig and if they were their da is probably with them handing them petrol bombs.

Civilian_Target · 14-09-2005 12:09AM

jonny68 wrote:

It's very easy for people here in the south to dismiss what's going on up there and those who do make me fuc*in sick,try put yourselves in their position,how would YOU feel if you lived in Befast and you read that your fellow countryman "couldn't really give a fu*k about what happens up there" you'd be appalled and sickened,people need to get real and show some solidarity with our fellow countrymen in the occupied 6 counties instead of dismisisng it out of hand.

Attitudes like yours are exactly the reason there's a problem in Northern Ireland.

I've lived there for long enough, and its very simple, people have to learn to live with each other.

And to be honest, I don't really see why people in the south should really give a **** what happens in Belfast, frankly, I'd disassociate myself with anyone who feels they need to use a line on a map as an excuse to riot.

This is exactly why I don't venture into the politics boards.
Rant out.

Supercell · 14-09-2005 12:45AM

The straw that breaks the camels back is finally here, its time for the people of NI to stand up to these thugs and say no more..because frankly the rest of the world is sick of doing so for you...or so might some ppl say....

deisedevil · 14-09-2005 01:40AM

I have to agree with johnny68 to a point. it amazes me how many people i meet in the south of ireland who have no idea of why there is trouble in the north,more of those on here aswell.stupid attitudes,leave em to kill each other etc. It's one of the things that saddens me about young people in ireland that they don't know sweet f-all about irish history and couldn't care less about their fellow countrymen who go through theses riots and horrible scenes every year.most are more concerned with wars in other countries than what is happeneing at home,don't start that crap that your sick of hearing about it and you couldn't care less anymore,if that attitude had been taken by the men who fought for our freedom we would still be under english rule,wats the problem,has it gotten too boring for ye,is the war in iraq and afaghanistan fresher more interesting and a better cause to protest about. why are there no protests in ireland about the problem on our own doorstep.if i was living in the north and i read this board i would be deeply saddened. they must really feel up there that they are on their own.this STUPID attitude that well there's no petrol bombs being thrown at my door so i couldn't care less about em is bollox!!!look at it like this, if england had held on to the 6 counties in munster i could be sitting in my battered car with my 22 month old in the back with a fractured skull or worse i could have grown up without my father who was blown away by some paramilitary scum. i could have got mixed up with the IRA and done some horrible acts of voilence. :mad:

MrJoeSoap · 14-09-2005 01:44AM

Civilian_Target wrote:

Attitudes like yours are exactly the reason there's a problem in Northern Ireland.

I've lived there for long enough, and its very simple, people have to learn to live with each other.

And to be honest, I don't really see why people in the south should really give a **** what happens in Belfast, frankly, I'd disassociate myself with anyone who feels they need to use a line on a map as an excuse to riot.

Could not have put it better myself.

Our man in Havana · 14-09-2005 02:38AM

I would simply drive over the top of those scum bags! :mad:

Stephen · 14-09-2005 09:31AM

"the fight for a united ireland".

Please.

What a bunch of arse.

A united ireland would be a bankrupt and war-torn Ireland, with the complete ****ing loonies in charge. I'm all for equality and justice in the north, but unity would be the ruin of us all.
I find it laughable that each side (protestants/catholics) use their religions, which both preach forgiveness and turning of the other cheek, as a reason to knock seven shades of ****e out of each other on a regular basis.

Deadwing · 14-09-2005 09:39AM

Cant we just all chip in a fiver and pay for Ian paisely to be assasinated?

Maximilian · 14-09-2005 09:52AM

I'll dance a little jig the day that evil Paisley bastard pops his clogs. I can't even dance jigs.

Civilian_Target · 14-09-2005 09:59AM

I've lived up there before, will live up there again (no doubt

) and frankly, when I'm not there, I really couldn't give a **** what they do to each other...

I've lived there and I'm thoroughly sick of all the violence.

zuma · 14-09-2005 10:16AM

I couldnt give a toss about Northern Ireland...bunch of children!!!

Oh...Northern Ireland and Ireland are not a single country and have only every been united under the British!!!
Fellow countrymen....Ian Paisley sure isnt an Irishman!!!

Northern Isle sounds like a good name...any other views???

nesf · 14-09-2005 10:30AM

Calm down lads, there is no need to be dragging politics into this. The riots are/were appaling and sickening. It doesn't matter what group or side is behind them. Either way the people of Belfast are suffering because of them.

Kain · 14-09-2005 10:50AM

Vorak wrote:

The police dont touch them and cant arrest them. Their 10, or 12 or 15 or whatever.

If their old enough to throw rocks and petrol bombs at the police then they're old enough to have their heads clubed in by police tring to defend themselves.

Civilian_Target · 14-09-2005 11:13AM

Kain wrote:

If their old enough to throw rocks and petrol bombs at the police then they're old enough to have their heads clubed in by police tring to defend themselves.

If that were true, I'd join the PSNI

stagolee · 14-09-2005 11:16AM

Maximilian wrote:

I'll dance a little jig the day that evil Paisley bastard pops his clogs. I can't even dance jigs.

unfortunatley the bastard cloned himself years ago, i think he calls it "junior"

Ann Elk · 14-09-2005 01:32PM

Kain wrote:

If their old enough to throw rocks and petrol bombs at the police then they're old enough to have their heads clubed in by police tring to defend themselves.

You have it all wrong - they're just misunderstood, they're not causing mischief - they're in training for the 'Para-Olympics' Molotov Cocktail throwing is a legitimate event - i blame the lack of training facilities.

ionapaul · 14-09-2005 02:01PM

The PSNI are hamstrung in these situations - neither side want the police to have the power to go in cracking skulls and really storing order, becuase both sides want the ability to riot in the future! Could you imagine a riot like this taking place in Paris and the police holding back? No, you'd have dozens of dead rioters and most of us would agree 'good riddance'...please please let Irish unity remain forever a dream and never horrible reality, when a part of your body is cancerous, you cut it off, not clasp it tighter and hope everything works out for the best!

Southern Man · 14-09-2005 02:41PM

Whilst I always enjoy reading the rants I never have the time to post a reply but feel I have to pass comment here.
I was in Belfast this weekend and spend every few weekends up there. Thankfully I didn't run into any toruble while the madness kicked off.

The most high profile news for Norn Ireland in recent weeks has been the UVF and LVF feuding going on. In any other civilised country this would be called criminal gang warfare, i.e. its all about drugs, turf, extortion, protection, power and the protagonists are blinged up, blacked out window car driving gangsters. 4 dead to date I think - let 'em at it.

The rioting in BFS this weekend is symptomatic of a much bigger social / political / economic malaise that Unionists are going to be shouting about for a while. In a nutshell the Unionist community are reacting like spoilt brats and throwing all their toys out of the pram. For years they had it good: the RUC (OUR police - 1 in 12 Catholic); Harland & Woulfe (OUR jobs - no Catholics please); Housing (OUR houses - not for Catholics or just stick them in the ****tiest possible areas).

The Unionists now feel that they are being betrayed and left behind while a groundswell (as they see it) of support in Government, public opinion and public policy is mounting behind all things Catholic. This of course is boll*x and is the reaction of a spoilt section of the community that now needs to face up to reality that there is no one religion, political party or persona that can bully and dominate the entire population of Northern Ireland

The tide is slowly turning in that the Catholic community in the six counties is nowadays more progressive, better educated and is (largely) more willing to move on than can be said of the Protestant/Unionist majority.

DJDC · 14-09-2005 05:43PM

im my opinion it all comes down to education.i have read many reports on the BBC stating that many analysts also believe this factor to be a major issue.prods living in working class neighbourhoods such as the shankill have always had a culture of working in heavy industry eg ironworks,shipbuilding.catholics on the other hand have always valued bettering oneself in university to a greater extent(similar to indians in england).now that these industries are gone,young working class protestants find themselves unemployed and frustrated.they lash out at the "taigs",the police,the goverment=anything.
they are goin to have to realise that this industry isnt comin back.they are going to have to change their culture.otherwise we will see more of the barbaric behaviour shown by these illiterate uneducated poor losers.

Vorak · 16-09-2005 03:29PM

Apparently the sh*t's gonna hit the fan again tonight, there obviously bored and looking fo something to do over the wkend. Thank ****le i'll be in Lifford with my gf.

Dave! · 16-09-2005 03:56PM

My brother was thinking of going up to Belfast with his mates for his birthday this weekend..

They've chosen Kilkenny over it

Sam Vimes · 16-09-2005 04:21PM

jonny68 wrote:

Your right on one score they did take their retirement packages from the Northern Bank alright but they also sold out..Real Republicans will continue the fight for Irish Unity of that you can be certain.

why are they fighting? who are they fighting? do they not realise that tony blair would literally drop to his knees and praise jesus if he could get rid of northern ireland? the unfortunate fact is that the majority of people in the north want to stay in the union. that is the sole reason its still in it. when the minority lose a referendum and pick up guns and make the majority do it their way democracy is replaced by anarchy.

i think the north should be reunited but by a majority vote, not by the minority pointing guns at everyone til they get their way. thats the way of thugs and bullies, not rational people

Sam Vimes · 16-09-2005 04:28PM

Deadwing wrote:

Cant we just all chip in a fiver and pay for Ian paisely to be assasinated?

gimme your account num and sort code and ill send it to you.

oh wait, you were joking....eh....so was I. eh... /backs away slowly

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