Riots in Belfast

Vorak · 13-09-2005 11:41am #1

Well, got to go home from work yesterday (monday) at one one o'clock. Boss received a phone call saying 'it was gona start kickin off again at about three in the afternoon', needless to say we were quick to vacate the premises. Im working in a building where the Newtownards road meets the Albertbridge road. The cash machine where i withdraw money on my lunch break is now just a hole in the wall... The digger they hijacked to do the job is lying, partly melted into the road, just outside our door.

Im from Galway, just studying up here, but this is as bad as it gets. Last year an orange parade past our door, just off the Lisburn road but that was like a 'cutest kitten' competition compared to this.

As Ian Paisley and his possie embarrass themselves on television by trying to play down, or justify the riots by saying the PSNI (Police Service of Northern Ireland) are to blame for flaring up the situation, i cant help but think how embarrassed i would be to be a member of their primative and backward thinking community.

The police stopped the orange order form passing through a nationalist area, this is the 'reason' why the rioting began. Whats ironic i guess is that this meant that all the damage and animal behaviour took place in 'their own backyard'. The paint and glass and burnt out wrecks and damage to local businesses are all evident along the streets of East Belfast.

Dumb bastards.

Stephen · 13-09-2005 11:55am

What a bunch of knackers. This calls for some high pressure water cannon & rubber bullets action!

Mossy Monk · 13-09-2005 11:58am

build a big massive building a **** the lot of them inside it to sort out their "problems"

Vorak · 13-09-2005 12:04pm

They did, it was called the Maze.

Maximilian · 13-09-2005 12:20pm

I've been saying for years that we should construct a giant machine of epic proportions, saw off Northern Ireland and float it out to sea. Maybe replace it with a few nice oil rigs or three. Let the crazy bastards fight it out amongst themselves and be done with it. I'm bored with Northern Ireland & couldn't give a toss anymore. As far as I'm concened its nobody's problem but their own.

fischerspooner · 13-09-2005 12:21pm

seems to me like loyalists are angry that the IRA have given up their arms, now they have nothing to excuse their actions anymore. Weren't the British army brought into the north to protect Catholics from Loyalist mobs in the first place? Let's hope it doesn't go back to that again.

Civilian_Target · 13-09-2005 12:31pm

Woah there! Don't limit it to the loyalists, there are equally dumb bastards on the Nationalist side, it was their turn to riot last year...
They're both as bad as each other if you ask me.

(And did you not think that wee orange parade last year was kinda cute

)

Idbatterim · 13-09-2005 12:34pm

yeah i agree, put up a new berlin wall and let them kill themselves. I really dont care, anytime i read the paper i dont even glance about whats going on up north. " 8 year old kneecapped " bla bla bla, am i meant to be surprised. Its as if this sort of stuff never happened are we supposed to go wow, things up there have really sunk to a new low? what i want to know is who wants to live in that backward, hole of a place?

13-09-2005 12:59pm

^^ Some of us don't have a choice. My parents decided it was a great idea to bring us here from England. They get really defensive whenever I challenge them about it and go on about how dangerous England is these days. I mean, it's not exactly nice but it's a lot better than this hole.

Vorak · 13-09-2005 1:22pm

Civilian_Target wrote:

Woah there! Don't limit it to the loyalists, there are equally dumb bastards on the Nationalist side, it was their turn to riot last year...

Not limiting it to the Loyalists, just refering to the events of the past weekend. Don't wish to go through 400 years of Anglo-Irish history just to make a point.

What happened at the weekend was an unprovoked attack on life in this city, and as the police chief put it, the Orange Order are partly to blame.

You dont have to point out an equal or greater action by the opposing side whenever one side botches up. Thats exactly what Ian Paisley did............

All the Loyalists are now saying its time to move on and not play the blame game.............hello!

The time for looking at things in perspective is not the day after the riots. Thats not looking at things in perspective, thats just avoiding the pending issue.

I say look at the wider issue after dealing with the immediate one, not simply try and stay politically correct.

A soldier was arrested for shooting a rioter in the shoulder.

Dave! · 13-09-2005 2:05pm

They're bloody idiots... Why are Loyalists destroying their own country? All they're doing is losing support, and helping the IRA. God these people frustrate me. At least when the IRA do this kind of thing, it's politically motivated. Loyalists are just wrecking the place for no good reason! Bunch of bloody morons.

Civilian_Target · 13-09-2005 2:24pm

Vorak wrote:

A soldier was arrested for shooting a rioter in the shoulder.

This is what I don't understand about Northern Ireland! That soldier should have got a ****ing medal!
He shot a rioter in the shoulder - thats one less rioter. If you're willing to riot, quite frankly, to hell with your rights. Peaceful protests are fine, but it you're going to start chucking petrol bombs, you deserve everything you get. That soldier should have aimed up more, got him in the head, if you ask me.

zuma · 13-09-2005 2:25pm

Maximilian wrote:

I've been saying for years that we should construct a giant machine of epic proportions, saw off Northern Ireland and float it out to sea. Maybe replace it with a few nice oil rigs or three. Let the crazy bastards fight it out amongst themselves and be done with it. I'm bored with Northern Ireland & couldn't give a toss anymore. As far as I'm concened its nobody's problem but their own.

Or mabye just rename the place because the amount of English people that I have met and talked about shít in Northern Ireland think it happens in Ireland as well!!!

West Britain or something completely different...like....Utopia...hahaha!!!!

Hey Kaiden Fierce Rite,
I think your parents got it horrible wrong.
Have a friend who moved to NI last year...as thats where his job took him.
But once his contract ran out...straight back to Ireland!!!

zuma · 13-09-2005 2:28pm

Civilian_Target wrote:

This is what I don't understand about Northern Ireland! That soldier should have got a ****ing medal!
He shot a rioter in the shoulder - thats one less rioter. If you're willing to riot, quite frankly, to hell with your rights. Peaceful protests are fine, but it you're going to start chucking petrol bombs, you deserve everything you get. That soldier should have aimed up more, got him in the head, if you ask me.

Oh hold on there......
The soldier was probable arrested as per standard protocol these days in N.Ireland.
He may end up with a medal if his actions saved someones life and not have the live with the death of someone on his hands.
Killing someone, even if justified, is not something to be taken likely.

Nightwish · 13-09-2005 6:38pm

let them kill each other, is what I think. If the cops weren't there, who would they throw sh!t at? The place is a quagmire of hatred and bitterness. And idiots like Paisley and co. inciting it doesnt help.
What pi$$es me off the most is when I see kids, 10 year olds, and young teenagers out rioting. Firstly, why arent they in school? where are their parents? Why do the parents allow their kids to be invovled in such horrific acts of violence? I mean what kind of adults are these kids going to grow up to be?

Hobbes · 13-09-2005 6:46pm

They were animals. No other word for it but total Animals.

They are not Protestants, animals. Protestants wouldn't do this.

StupidLikeAFox · 13-09-2005 7:36pm

Protestant*

weemcd · 13-09-2005 7:52pm

yay.

lets tar everyone with the same brush \o/

Horsefumbler · 13-09-2005 7:59pm

Maximilian wrote:

I've been saying for years that we should construct a giant machine of epic proportions, saw off Northern Ireland and float it out to sea. Maybe replace it with a few nice oil rigs or three. Let the crazy bastards fight it out amongst themselves and be done with it. I'm bored with Northern Ireland & couldn't give a toss anymore. As far as I'm concened its nobody's problem but their own.

wow, I feel exactly the same way.

Supercell · 13-09-2005 8:28pm

Horsefumbler wrote:

wow, I feel exactly the same way.

Am sorry to admit that that i'm starting to feel the same also, nothing ever seems to end the stupidity of it all

Also I think that when Paisley does eventually pass away it well be a for the overall better of both Catholics and Protestants in NI, not that he is the sole reason for it all, but he does constatly seem to stir the pot at every given opportunity..saying that the rioting is not the paraders fault is just twisting the knife in the wound of the already insensed Catholics no doubt, and adding justification to the Orange people rioting..discusting..
I actually do wish he would shuffle of the mortal plane sooner rather than later.

Blackjack · 13-09-2005 8:39pm

Longfield wrote:

Also I think that when Paisley does eventually pass away it well be a for the overall better of both Catholics and Protestants in NI, not that he is the sole reason for it all, but he does constatly seem to stir the pot at every given opportunity..saying that the rioting is not the paraders fault is just twisting the knife in the wound of the already insensed Catholics no doubt, and adding justification to the Orange people rioting..discusting..
I actually do wish he would shuffle of the mortal plane sooner rather than later.

His son, Ian Junior is almost worse, if that's possible.

StupidLikeAFox · 13-09-2005 8:41pm

weemcd wrote:

yay.

lets tar everyone with the same brush \o/

I tend to lean to this, but the more i look at it the more i think that you actually cant be PC on this one. The orange order is a protestant institution, the riots are caused by the fact that the orange order cant march down a nationalist area. Why would anyone else, except protestants, riot?

Duckjob · 13-09-2005 8:42pm

Blackjack wrote:

His son, Ian Junior is almost worse, if that's possible.

Indeed, if Paisley keeled over tomorrow and died and Paisley Jnr got taken out by a bus, the north's prospects would improve overnight.

A woman I work with is from the North, and she got a text from her son today to tell her that when while he was driving his girlfriend home the other night, his new car got bricked. Mindless scumbags.....

I try not to to think too much about NI these days. The thought of each generation of idiots breeding blind hatred into the next generation in an unbreakable cycle just depresses me.

jonny68 · 13-09-2005 8:45pm

Loyalist vermin did anyone read that about woman who had her car pelted with rocks as the scum attempted to hijack her car and her 22 month old child suffered a fractured skull :mad: *****n animals,im not even going to repeat on here what id do to scum like this.

And when Nationalist areas come under attack as they do quite frequently who is going to protect those areas now that the Provisional IRA have surrendered to the British,it'll be left to Real Republican groups like the RIRA and CIRA to defend these areas from attacks as the provos have decommissioned their weapons aka sold out.

It's madness up there now was talking to someone i know from up there earlier and he was saying everybody is wired and paranoid,free staters like us should be thankful we don't have to put up with this cr*p like our fellow countrymen do in Belfast and other areas..Loyalist scum :mad:

Vorak · 13-09-2005 8:49pm

[QUOTE=What pi$$es me off the most is when I see kids, 10 year olds, and young teenagers out rioting. Firstly, why arent they in school? where are their parents? Why do the parents allow their kids to be invovled in such horrific acts of violence? I mean what kind of adults are these kids going to grow up to be?[/QUOTE]

When you think about it, isnt it strange that we see those hooded scumbags throwing petrol bombs at police vehicles while all the police can do is squirt them with water and try and disperse them.

The police dont touch them and cant arrest them. Their 10, or 12 or 15 or whatever.

But you'll get stopped by the police for doing 4 miles over the speed limit on an empty country road...

Binomate · 13-09-2005 8:49pm

The only active militant groups in Northern Ireland at the minute are all Unionist. They're all retards to be honest.

Vorak · 13-09-2005 8:54pm

I think this thread is getting a little too malicious.

Cheer up jonny68, the IRA didnt sell out, they took their retirement packages from the Northern Bank.

jonny68 · 13-09-2005 8:57pm

Vorak wrote:

I think this thread is getting a little too malicious.

Cheer up jonny68, the IRA didnt sell out, they took their retirement packages from the Northern Bank.

Your right on one score they did take their retirement packages from the Northern Bank alright but they also sold out..Real Republicans will continue the fight for Irish Unity of that you can be certain.

Supercell · 13-09-2005 9:02pm

Yep one side is as bad as another, at this point I wish it was named something else like Northern Isle as people around the world will see this and think the same thing is happening in Dublin and Cork etc as it is up there and will affect the ROI tourism industry.

Johnny_the_fox · 13-09-2005 9:08pm

jonny68 wrote:

Real Republicans will continue the fight for Irish Unity of that you can be certain.

yeah... :rolleyes: "the Real Republicans" - that will continue to kill people, and maybe someday kill that "22 month old child" and are similar other 'scum'

classy. :rolleyes:

jonny68 · 13-09-2005 9:20pm

Longfield wrote:

Yep one side is as bad as another, at this point I wish it was named something else like Northern Isle as people around the world will see this and think the same thing is happening in Dublin and Cork etc as it is up there and will affect the ROI tourism industry.

What sort of attitude is that to take FFS? :eek: Your more concerned about the fuc*in tourism industry when fellow countrymen in the North are coming under attack from Loyalist scum,WTF,Im sick of certain people's attitudes on here regarding the conflict in the North,it sometimes makes me ashamed to be Irish reading this cr*p, "ah sure we should forget all about the North it's not our problem" as Irish people you bet your fuc*in life it should be our problem,how would you fuc*in feel if you lived in the North and came under substained attack from Loyalists quite often?How would you feel if you lived in an area like the Short Strand in East Belfast,a Nationalist area surrounded by Loyalist areas where a Catholic man was almost kicked to death in an sectarian attack last week?

It's very easy for people here in the south to dismiss what's going on up there and those who do make me fuc*in sick,try put yourselves in their position,how would YOU feel if you lived in Befast and you read that your fellow countryman "couldn't really give a fu*k about what happens up there" you'd be appalled and sickened,people need to get real and show some solidarity with our fellow countrymen in the occupied 6 counties instead of dismisisng it out of hand.

jonny68 · 13-09-2005 9:23pm

Johnny_the_fox wrote:

yeah... :rolleyes: "the Real Republicans" - that will continue to kill people, and maybe someday kill that "22 month old child" and are similar other 'scum'

classy. :rolleyes:

spoken like a true stoop or shinner :rolleyes:

Dave! · 13-09-2005 9:36pm

jonny68 wrote:

What sort of attitude is that to take FFS? :eek: Your more concerned about the fuc*in tourism industry when fellow countrymen in the North are coming under attack from Loyalist scum,WTF,Im sick of certain people's attitudes on here regarding the conflict in the North,it sometimes makes me ashamed to be Irish reading this cr*p, "ah sure we should forget all about the North it's not our problem" as Irish people you bet your fuc*in life it should be our problem,how would you fuc*in feel if you lived in the North and came under substained attack from Loyalists quite often?How would you feel if you lived in an area like the Short Strand in East Belfast,a Nationalist area surrounded by Loyalist areas where a Catholic man was almost kicked to death in an sectarian attack last week?

It's very easy for people here in the south to dismiss what's going on up there and those who do make me fuc*in sick,try put yourselves in their position,how would YOU feel if you lived in Befast and you read that your fellow countryman "couldn't really give a fu*k about what happens up there" you'd be appalled and sickened,people need to get real and show some solidarity with our fellow countrymen in the occupied 6 counties instead of dismisisng it out of hand.

hear hear

Supercell · 13-09-2005 9:38pm

jonny68 wrote:

What sort of attitude is that to take FFS? :eek: Your more concerned about the fuc*in tourism industry when fellow countrymen in the North are coming under attack from Loyalist scum,WTF,Im sick of certain people's attitudes on here regarding the conflict in the North,it sometimes makes me ashamed to be Irish reading this cr*p, "ah sure we should forget all about the North it's not our problem" as Irish people you bet your fuc*in life it should be our problem,how would you fuc*in feel if you lived in the North and came under substained attack from Loyalists quite often?How would you feel if you lived in an area like the Short Strand in East Belfast,a Nationalist area surrounded by Loyalist areas where a Catholic man was almost kicked to death in an sectarian attack last week?

It's very easy for people here in the south to dismiss what's going on up there and those who do make me fuc*in sick,try put yourselves in their position,how would YOU feel if you lived in Befast and you read that your fellow countryman "couldn't really give a fu*k about what happens up there" you'd be appalled and sickened,people need to get real and show some solidarity with our fellow countrymen in the occupied 6 counties instead of dismisisng it out of hand.

Well I do feel for the vast majority of decent people up there that are living with this but....

There has been rallies, there has been peace agreements there has been endless politial prattle..but this still goes on.

I'm sorry but I am a little jaded as are many others posting here about the whole thing...
No matter what happens..it always seems to happen again and again ..and its not just a Catholic or a Protestant thing..am completely sure there is senseless beatings happening to Protestants right now as "revenge" for the rioting..the cycle continues.

Personally think its time to let them sort themselves out..as it seems that NI politics can only be sorted out internally as all outside attmepts to help mediate etc falls on deaf ears...

Duckjob · 13-09-2005 9:44pm

jonny68 wrote:

What sort of attitude is that to take FFS? :eek: Your more concerned about the fuc*in tourism industry when fellow countrymen in the North are coming under attack from Loyalist scum,WTF,Im sick of certain people's attitudes on here regarding the conflict in the North,it sometimes makes me ashamed to be Irish reading this cr*p, "ah sure we should forget all about the North it's not our problem" as Irish people you bet your fuc*in life it should be our problem,how would you fuc*in feel if you lived in the North and came under substained attack from Loyalists quite often?How would you feel if you lived in an area like the Short Strand in East Belfast,a Nationalist area surrounded by Loyalist areas where a Catholic man was almost kicked to death in an sectarian attack last week?

It's very easy for people here in the south to dismiss what's going on up there and those who do make me fuc*in sick,try put yourselves in their position,how would YOU feel if you lived in Befast and you read that your fellow countryman "couldn't really give a fu*k about what happens up there" you'd be appalled and sickened,people need to get real and show some solidarity with our fellow countrymen in the occupied 6 counties instead of dismisisng it out of hand.

No offence, but it's exactly people with attitudes like yours on both sides that are the problem.

However distasteful if may be to the bigots, Northern Ireland is now home to two very different communities of people. If people on both sides were prepared to draw a line in the sand on what has happened in the past and start looking forward for a change, if they focused their energies on building their communities instead of tearing into each other like mindless savages, Northern Ireland might have some chance of peace.

jonny68 · 13-09-2005 9:47pm

Longfield wrote:

Well I do feel for the vast majority of decent people up there that are living with this but....

There has been rallies, there has been peace agreements there has been endless politial prattle..but this still goes on.

I'm sorry but I am a little jaded as are many others posting here about the whole thing...
No matter what happens..it always seems to happen again and again ..and its not just a Catholic or a Protestant thing..am completely sure there is senseless beatings happening to Protestants right now as "revenge" for the rioting..the cycle continues.

Personally think its time to let them sort themselves out..as it seems that NI politics can only be sorted out internally as all outside attmepts to help mediate etc falls on deaf ears...

Yes but it's time people in the south actually got up off their ars*s and done something about what's happening up there instead of sweeping it under the carpet and dismissing it out of hand.

Sure some Nationalists are as bad as Loyalists but overall threre can be no denying that the majority of Loyalists are the ones who are sectarian scum who have a deep rooted hatred of Catholics.

It's Loyalist terrorists who were behind this rioting,the UDA and UVF are the ones who gave the orders for youths and older people who really should know better to go out and cause maximum damage and destruction because some fuc*in parade was re-routed,what sort of an excuse is that?

The UDA should be made a proscribed organisation as for the UVF,ceasefire my ar*e,they were never on a ceasefire in the first place.

4Xcut · 13-09-2005 9:50pm

Nightwish wrote:

let them kill each other, is what I think. If the cops weren't there, who would they throw sh!t at? The place is a quagmire of hatred and bitterness. And idiots like Paisley and co. inciting it doesnt help.
What pi$$es me off the most is when I see kids, 10 year olds, and young teenagers out rioting. Firstly, why arent they in school? where are their parents? Why do the parents allow their kids to be invovled in such horrific acts of violence? I mean what kind of adults are these kids going to grow up to be?

don't mean to single yours out as several people said it.I'm all for let the scum kill the scum and that be that but innocent people get hurt aswell. Kids aren't exactly doing it with their parents backnig and if they were their da is probably with them handing them petrol bombs.

Civilian_Target · 13-09-2005 11:09pm

jonny68 wrote:

It's very easy for people here in the south to dismiss what's going on up there and those who do make me fuc*in sick,try put yourselves in their position,how would YOU feel if you lived in Befast and you read that your fellow countryman "couldn't really give a fu*k about what happens up there" you'd be appalled and sickened,people need to get real and show some solidarity with our fellow countrymen in the occupied 6 counties instead of dismisisng it out of hand.

Attitudes like yours are exactly the reason there's a problem in Northern Ireland.

I've lived there for long enough, and its very simple, people have to learn to live with each other.

And to be honest, I don't really see why people in the south should really give a **** what happens in Belfast, frankly, I'd disassociate myself with anyone who feels they need to use a line on a map as an excuse to riot.

This is exactly why I don't venture into the politics boards.
Rant out.

Supercell · 13-09-2005 11:45pm

The straw that breaks the camels back is finally here, its time for the people of NI to stand up to these thugs and say no more..because frankly the rest of the world is sick of doing so for you...or so might some ppl say....

deisedevil · 14-09-2005 12:40am

I have to agree with johnny68 to a point. it amazes me how many people i meet in the south of ireland who have no idea of why there is trouble in the north,more of those on here aswell.stupid attitudes,leave em to kill each other etc. It's one of the things that saddens me about young people in ireland that they don't know sweet f-all about irish history and couldn't care less about their fellow countrymen who go through theses riots and horrible scenes every year.most are more concerned with wars in other countries than what is happeneing at home,don't start that crap that your sick of hearing about it and you couldn't care less anymore,if that attitude had been taken by the men who fought for our freedom we would still be under english rule,wats the problem,has it gotten too boring for ye,is the war in iraq and afaghanistan fresher more interesting and a better cause to protest about. why are there no protests in ireland about the problem on our own doorstep.if i was living in the north and i read this board i would be deeply saddened. they must really feel up there that they are on their own.this STUPID attitude that well there's no petrol bombs being thrown at my door so i couldn't care less about em is bollox!!!look at it like this, if england had held on to the 6 counties in munster i could be sitting in my battered car with my 22 month old in the back with a fractured skull or worse i could have grown up without my father who was blown away by some paramilitary scum. i could have got mixed up with the IRA and done some horrible acts of voilence. :mad:

MrJoeSoap · 14-09-2005 12:44am

Civilian_Target wrote:

Attitudes like yours are exactly the reason there's a problem in Northern Ireland.

I've lived there for long enough, and its very simple, people have to learn to live with each other.

And to be honest, I don't really see why people in the south should really give a **** what happens in Belfast, frankly, I'd disassociate myself with anyone who feels they need to use a line on a map as an excuse to riot.

Could not have put it better myself.

Our man in Havana · 14-09-2005 1:38am

I would simply drive over the top of those scum bags! :mad:

Stephen · 14-09-2005 8:31am

"the fight for a united ireland".

Please.

What a bunch of arse.

A united ireland would be a bankrupt and war-torn Ireland, with the complete ****ing loonies in charge. I'm all for equality and justice in the north, but unity would be the ruin of us all.
I find it laughable that each side (protestants/catholics) use their religions, which both preach forgiveness and turning of the other cheek, as a reason to knock seven shades of ****e out of each other on a regular basis.

Deadwing · 14-09-2005 8:39am

Cant we just all chip in a fiver and pay for Ian paisely to be assasinated?

Maximilian · 14-09-2005 8:52am

I'll dance a little jig the day that evil Paisley bastard pops his clogs. I can't even dance jigs.

Civilian_Target · 14-09-2005 8:59am

I've lived up there before, will live up there again (no doubt

) and frankly, when I'm not there, I really couldn't give a **** what they do to each other...

I've lived there and I'm thoroughly sick of all the violence.

zuma · 14-09-2005 9:16am

I couldnt give a toss about Northern Ireland...bunch of children!!!

Oh...Northern Ireland and Ireland are not a single country and have only every been united under the British!!!
Fellow countrymen....Ian Paisley sure isnt an Irishman!!!

Northern Isle sounds like a good name...any other views???

nesf · 14-09-2005 9:30am

Calm down lads, there is no need to be dragging politics into this. The riots are/were appaling and sickening. It doesn't matter what group or side is behind them. Either way the people of Belfast are suffering because of them.

Kain · 14-09-2005 9:50am

Vorak wrote:

The police dont touch them and cant arrest them. Their 10, or 12 or 15 or whatever.

If their old enough to throw rocks and petrol bombs at the police then they're old enough to have their heads clubed in by police tring to defend themselves.

Civilian_Target · 14-09-2005 10:13am

Kain wrote:

If their old enough to throw rocks and petrol bombs at the police then they're old enough to have their heads clubed in by police tring to defend themselves.

If that were true, I'd join the PSNI

stagolee · 14-09-2005 10:16am

Maximilian wrote:

I'll dance a little jig the day that evil Paisley bastard pops his clogs. I can't even dance jigs.

unfortunatley the bastard cloned himself years ago, i think he calls it "junior"

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