Bouncers denying me a social life

jonny68 · 31-08-2005 08:48PM

Majority of them are ars***les of the highest order,coked up steriod muppets who think they are above everyone else,one wasn't quite so lucky a few years back when he got such a smack from me for pushing me,he wasn't letting me in so i was walking away i muttered that he was a disgrace,i was sober,wearing nice clothes yet i wasn't getting in,he said to me "what did you say" i looked him in the eye (he was i may add considerably bigger than me) and said "your as fuc*ing disgrace" with that he pushed me hard so i smacked him one and down he went,his mates charged for me so i shot up the road,serves him right he shouldn't have pushed me like that,usually im not violent but the way he pushed me like that was out of order and he deserved what he got

I rarely go into town thesedays so i don't really come into contact with the unintelligent coked up meatheads who do the doors of Dublin City but ive every sympathy with lads goin for a nite out only to see it ruined by these cun*s,if someone's not dressed approiately or drunk fair enough,but apart from that there's no excuse,you rarely get this sort of cr*p in the UK or Europe.

jonny68 · 31-08-2005 08:55PM

nesf wrote:

I agree with Divers.

The thing people simply do not appreciate about bouncers is that they have to work very anti-social hours and for a lot of them the pay does not merit the amount of **** they have to put up with. The vast majority of bouncers in my experience are not pricks, they are grand. Treat them like people and they'll do the same. Give them **** and you can't expect to be treated like an adult now can you? They can be, depending on the place, be exposed to violence and worse tbh.

Buckfast, your attitude is not only childish but is one that is simply anti-social. Yes there are some muppets on a power trip out there bouncing but that number has gotten a lot smaller in recent years. It used to be a lot worse, believe me. Your average bouncer is grand, he's not out to **** over your night, he's there doing his job.

You sound just like a bouncer yourself :rolleyes: they get paid very well a ctually depending on what pub/club they do,some of them can get over €200 a nite for less than 6 hours work,not bad at all for a nites work now eh,not to mention the many bouncers involved in drug dealing on the doors and in the pubs/clubs,do not try say it doesn't happen because it does,take it from someone who was on the Rave scene in this City for a decade,i got to know a lot of people,including bouncers and some of them were the biggest dealers of them all FACT.

In my experience 75% of them are muppets in Dublin,you might get a few who are sound enough

Kinetic^ · 31-08-2005 09:08PM

skywalker wrote:

Question to the bouncers commenting on this thread, are runners still as much of a taboo as they always were?

Im not taking about giant air max type runners, but smaller dark more descrete runners? A mate has recently taken to wearing them out & to my surprise has yet to be stopped going into a club.

No not really, the owner of the club i used to work for told us to let people in wearing runners because he had been stopped going into a club with them on so he didn't want it happening in his club.

jonny68 wrote:

Majority of them are ars***les of the highest order,coked up steriod muppets who think they are above everyone else,one wasn't quite so lucky a few years back when he got such a smack from me for pushing me,he wasn't letting me in so i was walking away i muttered that he was a disgrace,i was sober,wearing nice clothes yet i wasn't getting in,he said to me "what did you say" i looked him in the eye (he was i may add considerably bigger than me) and said "your as fuc*ing disgrace" with that he pushed me hard so i smacked him one and down he went,his mates charged for me so i shot up the road,serves him right he shouldn't have pushed me like that,usually im not violent but the way he pushed me like that was out of order and he deserved what he got

I rarely go into town thesedays so i don't really come into contact with the unintelligent coked up meatheads who do the doors of Dublin City but ive every sympathy with lads goin for a nite out only to see it ruined by these cun*s,if someone's not dressed approiately or drunk fair enough,but apart from that there's no excuse,you rarely get this sort of cr*p in the UK or Europe.

You're no better than he was :rolleyes:

jonny68 · 31-08-2005 09:14PM

Keyser Soze 69 wrote:

No not really, the owner of the club i used to work for told us to let people in wearing runners because he had been stopped going into a club with them on so he didn't want it happening in his club.

You're no better than he was :rolleyes:

ahh shucks you've hurt my feelings :rolleyes:

nesf · 31-08-2005 11:50PM

jonny68 wrote:

You sound just like a bouncer yourself :rolleyes: they get paid very well a ctually depending on what pub/club they do,some of them can get over €200 a nite for less than 6 hours work,not bad at all for a nites work now eh,not to mention the many bouncers involved in drug dealing on the doors and in the pubs/clubs,do not try say it doesn't happen because it does,take it from someone who was on the Rave scene in this City for a decade,i got to know a lot of people,including bouncers and some of them were the biggest dealers of them all FACT.

In my experience 75% of them are muppets in Dublin,you might get a few who are sound enough

Tbh, I was speaking of my experiences across the country, not just in Dublin. Some get paid well, but outside of Dublin the pay is no where near that from what I've heard from bouncers I know.

As for dealing, well that depends. Some clubs yes, others no. Depends more on the club than the bouncer in my experience. Still not fair to tar all of them with the same brush, especially when you look outside of Dublin at the rest of the country where the situation is quite different.

D-Generate · 01-09-2005 01:09AM

Haven't been stopped yet but probably will some time although i do look the respectable type

To be honest its not the bouncers attitude that worries me its the lack of training and regulations, and the supposed links to organised crime (*cough drugs dIsgRAce*).
The lack of regulations on bouncers is appalling. Often it will be no more than just some big, juiced up guy who could have a steriod induced rage at any moment. They usually lack the ability to restrain anyone in a manner other than involving hitting them on the floor and in many cases they lack the skill to defend themselves, hence they can at times be a standing accident at the door. Some of them will dish out their own justice towards someone at the door rather than allow the police get involved (re: Sidetrax, Cork City, teen death). Yet despite the obvious dangers to the public and to the patrons of the clubs there has yet to be rules imposed on them such as certain training courses that they must pass and qualifications they must get.

SparkyLarks · 01-09-2005 08:42AM

Buckfast: You clearly said that you were going to make thir life a misery.check your posts. Fair enough if tha's not what you mean.
No need to ignore the bouncers, be civil.

Jonny68, you call a guy a ****ing discrase, he pushes you, you smack him ,( though your not a violent person) and you think he's the discrase.

The guy's who's job it is to decide if people are allowed in or not, decides that your not allowed in, which he is perfectly legally entitled to do, in fact if he for any reson thinks you might cause trouble he is obligated not to let you in. he might get it wrong on ocassiion but it's better to be too strict on the door than too lenient, and you end up smacking him and he's the discrase.

Imagine if a bouncer told someone that they wer a disgrase, and the guy pushed the bouncer and the bouncer smacked him. Would you think that a bouncer should be allowed do that.

Einstein · 01-09-2005 08:42AM

jonny68 wrote:

ahh shucks you've hurt my feelings :rolleyes:

I don't think he was trying to hurt your feelings, he was saying it like it is.
You were refused for whatever reason, you then made a comment which you're entitled to do. When he pushed you (which he obviously shouldn't have), which was outside the premises I assume, that's immediate grounds for assault, but no you had to be a tough man and take him on, instead of being sensible and just reporting him like you should have done.

It makes me wonder, if you'll stir it up on a bouncer so easily, how much would it take for you to do the same in a club with some regular punter.
He was probably right to refuse you, in the first place.

Buckfast wrote:

So, you probably think I'm a buckfast-drinking teenager/student right? Somebody registered me on boards a few years back and chose this name for the craic

actually i didn't even notice your username, i just noticed the immature attitude.
Your quote was "Im making it my mission in life to make these guys' lives misery because of the way I've seen them treat other people, year in, year out."
This is the immature comment I'm talking about. You sound like a schoolyard bully out to get some bloke who stood up to you when you tried to steal his lunch money.

LegacyUser · 01-09-2005 12:22PM

Divers wrote:

actually i didn't even notice your username, i just noticed the immature attitude.
Your quote was "Im making it my mission in life to make these guys' lives misery because of the way I've seen them treat other people, year in, year out."
This is the immature comment I'm talking about. You sound like a schoolyard bully out to get some bloke who stood up to you when you tried to steal his lunch money.

Well, you're entitled to your opinion. I have simply decided to make an official complaint about a bouncer every time I see them doing something wrong — that is how I will make their lives a misery. if they get fired, so be it. They shouldn't treat people/act as they do.

If everyone made official complaints (not on the night, the following day), perhaps clubs/pubs would stop employing any gobsh!te off the street.

mitnick · 04-09-2005 09:59PM

just outa curiousity the pubs/nightclubs u get turned down at but at a later day are allowed in where they actually worth the money. honestly i had hassle since i was 16 later got in but never found a good enough place im 17 now n the only pub i really likes was katy dalys in belfast purely for the music. the things that impress me is good karma good music good drink its strange but the good pubs have dead on bouncers at the door i know cos my sister at uni goes out with one of them and no he is not a gorilla but a sound good lookin guy (not gay but i know a nice lookin guy when i see one). so honestly the place u like u shud continueally go so u never get hassle by being a "regular" u gota agree diver that the better the place the better the bouncers.
im from armagh u'll know the name cos we lost by one point today (ragin) theres crap pubs here but i got to say gildernews has the most sound bouncers and if ur from armagh and find hassle gettin in just go early ffs bouncers go on bot 10

Prior Of Taize · 04-09-2005 11:16PM

irish life wrote:

For those that don't know how easy it is to differentiate between a person from a rough area and one from an upper class one here's a couple of pics:

Robbie Keane - Footballer
Jimmy Doyle - Fair City
Ronan O'Gara - Rugby player

Robbie Keane and Jimmy are from dublin.

Ronan O gara is from cork.

at least put in a posh dublin person to maintain your arguement :rolleyes:

ziggy · 04-09-2005 11:17PM

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taram · 18-09-2008 03:09AM

I was turned away last week for the first time in 3 years for having "pants too long" for health and safety reasons. But stilletoes and 10 vodkas are fine? :O

Bouncers are generally grand, though think being a girl helps with that

Holsten · 18-09-2008 03:18AM

Zomg!

Three year old necro!

mayordenis · 18-09-2008 03:18AM

I'll be honest I've never been refused anywhere, Dublin, Cork, Waterford or anywhere else (at least without a very good reason like me being a drunken mess) and I have to say bouncers do generalise to much, I look ****ing amazing and clean cut so I get in even if I'm a sloppy bastard, whereas too many nice guys who have an issue with there looks get grief.
Unlucky

HammerHeadGym · 18-09-2008 07:59AM

For those who seem to be missing the point about bouncers.

Bouncers are human. Just like the people they refuse, And just like the people they refuse, they are fallible and subject to pre-conditioned prejudice and any other number of influencing factors. There job is basically judging wheter the person they are talking to is not going to be a nuisance, not going to present a danger to himself or anyone else and that the money they spend will be more than the money they cost the pub. All of this has to be done within 10 seconds or so, depending on the place, and until the word bouncers is replaced with 'infallible, emotionless, objective robots' y'all will have to put up with the currently flawed system.
The problem with judging the effectivness of bouncers is only the bad side is visible. Every time anyone is refused, it is always for 'no good reason' and all those bouncers are now assholes. No-one passes on the 'was half cut but they let me in anyway' stories do they? Do they fuk! Because everyone has the attitude that they should get in anywhere at any time, because they just want to enjoy themselves. The bouncer is trying to make sure that your enjoyment doesn't infringe on any one elses.
Have you ever gone into a pub, enjoyed your night, didn't have all your gear nicked, partyed the night away and went home? I'll bet all of you have and except for a few rarities, I'll bet there are a lot more of those nights than the alternative. You realise that every time you have one of those nights, it's because the bouncers we doing a good job? You should also realise that when the're giving you a hard time on the door, it's so that everyone inside can have one of those great night I just discussed.

Then again, what would I know. I'm just a 'coked up, steriod taking, meat head'

HammerHeadGym · 18-09-2008 08:02AM

Also as a side note for guys who have trouble getting in places;

Have a look around your area. See the thugs, and the tough guys and the dodgy shams? Do you dress like them? Even a little? Then your not coming in! Why? Cause the security don't know you from Adam, all I know is you look like every kunt they've ever had trouble with.

sock.rocker* · 18-09-2008 08:17AM

Einstein wrote: »

So i'm a c**t because I stop wasters getting into clubs causing hassle?
Or am i one of the reasonable ones who gets on with people and has a laugh.

Don't tar people with the same brush Ziggy. Work a couple months on the door and see how people treat you, then get back to me.

you sound like one of the bouncers wit a chip on his shoulder that everyone hates. dont take it out on us.

HammerHeadGym · 18-09-2008 08:26AM

Actually, while I'm here perhaps one of the more enlightened among you can surely suggest a better method for screening drunks and troublemakers from the queue? Remember the rule is; fill the place with as many people as possible, with as few troublemakers as possible, as quickly as possible. Lets say you have 20 seconds per punter? What are the pertinent questions being asked? Seeing as so many people know what the bouncers are doing wrong, surely you must know how to do it right. In fact as a social experiment, I'll happily bring anyone of you onto a door with me this weekemd and we'll give you revolutionary new system a try. (I'm serious. pm for details) Hell, I'll even pay you for the nights work.

Sherifu · 18-09-2008 08:44AM

A shave helps.

Thoie · 18-09-2008 08:55AM

HammerHeadGym wrote: »

In fact as a social experiment, I'll happily bring anyone of you onto a door with me this weekemd and we'll give you revolutionary new system a try. (I'm serious. pm for details) Hell, I'll even pay you for the nights work.

Would you take a female? What would be the dress code for a female bouncer? Black trousers, black shoes (flat) - what else?

roakey · 18-09-2008 09:12AM

most limerick bouncers are fuc*ers, if you walk up shifty they stop u, if you walk up laughing and jokin they stop you for "having to much on board", if you nomally just walk up they just say not tonite lad, what the **** does that mean, give a normal ****ing reason, or u could go up with your id(age card, from the cops) and they will say sorry only accepting driving licences or passports tonite, i mean wat ****e is that.

AKfortyjimbob · 18-09-2008 09:30AM

Ive met some really sound bouncers in my time! If you act quiet, calm and respectful, in my experience ( and i go clubbing a lot) they wont hassle you. Maybe the OP should take a look at his style, haircut maybe. Does the OP drink a lot before going out? If you have a thick accent maybe hide it a bit.
Anyway kiss the bouncers asses if they look at you the wrong way. Thats the way to get forward in life, kissing asses. Who gives a crap if theyre in the wrong. Your goal is to get in and score. Do what you have to do to get in.

Dragan · 18-09-2008 09:54AM

bush wrote: »

Bouncers are idiots, I wouldnt even pay any attention to them walking in.

You really should. At the end of the day we are there to ensure no harm comes to either customers or staff. Sure, the industry has bad eggs but it's pointless to assume a high and mighty attitude with people who could end up playing a large role in your night out.

Now then, here's the checklist :

1) Are they visibly drunk?
2) Are they dressed in a way that matches house rules?
3) Are they wearing earings, chains etc ( this just looks bad sometimes ).
4) If stopped and asked for ID do they have it. ( if not, you not getting in, simple as, a raid means people need to be able to provide ID to the Gardai, if you are on my premises with no ID and a Gardai asks you for one then it's my ass so have it ).
5) How do they respond to questioning? If i ask you "have you had a few drinks?" it's as simple as me getting you to speak. I could ask you to say the alphabet, the first way is easier. Just answer "Yeah, we were down the road having a few" or "nope, first pub of the evening mate". Smile when you answer, why? Because it shows your not a cnut with a "bouncers are knuckle draggers" attitude.
6) Who and how many are in the group? Depending on the place you work and the normal clientele i may or may not advise people to check out somewhere else. If i get a group of 6 lads on a door that is normally shy of women i will just let them know "if your out on the pull, such and such a place is better for you" then they are free to come and go as they please. I've offered you a better avenue for your fun, if you then start trouble on my premises it will not go well for you at all. I have noticed that groups of lads who are out on the pull will often default state to "fight" if they are a bit drunk and noone has had any success. It's normally because some other guy in the place pulled a chick one of you was trying it on with.

One a final note, if i get a hint of a superior attitude from you then i am unlikely to let you in. If you don't respect one member of staff then you are giving me no reason to assume you will respect barstaff, cleaning staff, management of punters. At the end of the night we are all just there to do our jobs and that will affect how good of a night you have. I'm not going to waste my time letting you in if you give an implication, direct or otherwise, that you might cause hassle and then be a bother to remove. I have no problem asking someone to leave and walking them out, the superior type will always refuse to put on a show and dragging your ass out after it got more physical than you can deal with is not what i want to have to do. But i will. Then i'll put up with you asking me do i know who you are, threatening to get me and refusing to walk away from the door. Eventually i'll get tired of that and get the locals cops down to have a word with you.

Yes some door men are assholes, but most are not. The above should see anyone through most nights out.

If you are being stopped everywhere you go then you simply need to honestly ask yourself how you are acting and presenting yourself.

Handsome Bob · 18-09-2008 09:55AM

HammerHeadGym wrote: »

For those who seem to be missing the point about bouncers.

Bouncers are human. Just like the people they refuse, And just like the people they refuse, they are fallible and subject to pre-conditioned prejudice and any other number of influencing factors. There job is basically judging wheter the person they are talking to is not going to be a nuisance, not going to present a danger to himself or anyone else and that the money they spend will be more than the money they cost the pub. All of this has to be done within 10 seconds or so, depending on the place, and until the word bouncers is replaced with 'infallible, emotionless, objective robots' y'all will have to put up with the currently flawed system.
The problem with judging the effectivness of bouncers is only the bad side is visible. Every time anyone is refused, it is always for 'no good reason' and all those bouncers are now assholes. No-one passes on the 'was half cut but they let me in anyway' stories do they? Do they fuk! Because everyone has the attitude that they should get in anywhere at any time, because they just want to enjoy themselves. The bouncer is trying to make sure that your enjoyment doesn't infringe on any one elses.
Have you ever gone into a pub, enjoyed your night, didn't have all your gear nicked, partyed the night away and went home? I'll bet all of you have and except for a few rarities, I'll bet there are a lot more of those nights than the alternative. You realise that every time you have one of those nights, it's because the bouncers we doing a good job? You should also realise that when the're giving you a hard time on the door, it's so that everyone inside can have one of those great night I just discussed.

Then again, what would I know. I'm just a 'coked up, steriod taking, meat head'

Yeah....there's one particular club that always use to refuse me based on my hard looking image. Everything goes off without a hitch when I'm not allowed in.....oh wait there are fights there every week and is laden with underage people.

Too many bouncers make judgement calls without actually trying to talk to you politely. If every bouncer that ever refused me just spoke to me for 20 seconds, they would know that I wouldn't be causing any trouble.

But sure it's no skin off my nose, anytime I wear my glasses I get in(there's a tip for all you trouble makers:pac:).

Dragan · 18-09-2008 10:02AM

LZ5by5 wrote: »

oh wait there are fights there every week and is laden with underage people.

Why would you try and get in to this **** hole then?

Go to a better pub dude.:)

Handsome Bob · 18-09-2008 10:05AM

Dragan wrote: »

Why would you try and get in to this **** hole then?

Go to a better pub dude.:)

My mates have no imagination, every week it's the same damn place.:pac:

buckieburd · 18-09-2008 11:33AM

irish life wrote: »

First of all, I'm 19 and the youngest of 3 lads. I'm the only single one out of the 3 so most nights they'd have their girlfriends with them.

Now for the rant. We do not get into any niteclub in the whole of bloody Dublin. Age plays a part but is not the reason as I would get in to niteclubs with a few of the lads from college. The reason is a bouncer looks at us and see's a thug.
It'll be another 3 years before we will be getting into niteclubs as my brother was in the exact same boat as me at my age. There's bouncers on the door in the pub we go to and he really sympathises with us. He basically says they give all bouncers a bad name but I told him he was in a tiny minority.

Who let him in here? He's wearing Runners and I dont like the look of him......YOUR BARRED BOYO!!!:D

Naos · 18-09-2008 12:04PM

I wonder does the op, three years on, still have trouble getting into these establishments...

krpc · 18-09-2008 12:35PM

I usually find that bouncers have attended some concept of a bouncer school - you know, those places that accept those that didn't make it into the police force or army but still believe they can act as if they were some law enforcer.

When I was younger, I found strategising was the best way to get into a bar or club that might be somewhat strict. Go in one guy and one girl at a time, looking like you are only there for a nice enjoyable night with one another and not inclined to get involved in any chaos.

Saying that, we could have just been over-thinking the thing. We were students then and really had nothing better to do than over-think and drink ourselves stupid

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