Wow. This is unbelievably scary.

LegacyUser · 28-07-2005 11:24AM

sounds like bs.

people who knowingly do this should be boiled alive.

Kernel · 28-07-2005 11:46AM

MorningStar wrote:

I remember there was christian group running around putting stickers on condom machines here. The stickers claims the AIDs virus was so small that it could go through a condom. That's simply a lie for a means and I see no difference from this kind of story.

Spreading ignorance is one of the most disgusting things I can think of. :mad:

Yeah but the jury is still out on HIV passing through condoms, indeed the conclusions from a recent Panorama programme conclude that while condoms are great for reducing the risk of HIV transmission, they are not 100% effective either. Looks like the safest sex is long term monogomous relationship sex.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/3845011.stm

shellby · 28-07-2005 11:56AM

ok even though i agree it does sound like absiloute tripe in the tiney tiny chance that's its true call the gaurds
if it's not then you should be "boiled alive" just like the person who delibately infects others because you are delibrately creating a false and vicious stagmatism aroud those who have contracted HIV and are responsible about their need to inform their partners and wear protection

BizzyC · 28-07-2005 12:03PM

Scary thought, dont think it's serious though.

Good way of getting people thinking about using contraception more though.

MorningStar · 28-07-2005 12:06PM

Kernel wrote:

Yeah but the jury is still out on HIV passing through condoms, indeed the conclusions from a recent Panorama programme conclude that while condoms are great for reducing the risk of HIV transmission, they are not 100% effective either. Looks like the safest sex is long term monogomous relationship sex.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/3845011.stm

Sorry what are you saying? The Jury isn't out the whole article is about how the cardinal's statement is at the least misleading and reliant on dodgy data and experiments. Condoms are not 100% safe has always been known and said. Condoms reduce the risk has always been said. Sex with a person with HIV doesn't actually mean you will catch the virus you are more likely to catch it if youare the woman. One of the reasons Hiv/AIDs is spreading so much in Africa is the sex practices. Things like using bark in the sex act tears vaginal tissue and penis tissue sharing blood making the virsu travel easier. The strangle hold the catholic church has in the country makes matters worse.

I don't know everything about Hiv but it isn't a death sentence and people can live happy productive lives.

jptk · 28-07-2005 12:30PM

hmm..even if its not true, it could happen. Think about it, someone gets hiv from unprotected sex or whatever and is (naturally) extremely pissed about it and tries to take as many people with them as possible. There are some sick people around and this wouldnt suprise me

vibe666 · 28-07-2005 12:31PM

i have a dead cousin because of someone doing that exact same thing.

he was a young gay man who got into a relationship with someone who it turned out had gotten aids and decided to take it out on a few people by passing it on.

they guy died before anything could be done to him about it though.

and now my cousin is dead. he was 28 when he died over ten years ago, the same age i am now.

probably not a true story from the OP (whether he knows it or not) but still possible.

and you know loose ugly birds always get laid, so it only takes one cold bitter bunny boiler to make it reality, and there's no shortage of those either.

Robbo · 28-07-2005 12:46PM

I'm inclined not to believe this becaus it's only on the internet. However, if it had arrived to me through a FWD: FWD: FWD: FWD email, then I'd believe it because I was once ultra-FWD'd an good luck email and I couldn't forward it there and then because I was busy in the office, I thought I'd leave it till Monday. That weekend, I crashed my car.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm off to dissolve a side of beef in Coca Cola.

MorningStar · 28-07-2005 12:47PM

You catch Hiv and it may develop into AIDs AFAIK.

Wez · 28-07-2005 12:48PM

fun bus wrote:

still, it IS the best "scare kids into safe sex" story i've ever heard

Seriously is, I'm defo gonna wrap up from now on.. This is the second good reason I've heard to wear one..

seamus · 28-07-2005 12:54PM

MorningStar wrote:

Not really as it has some slight racist and sexist tones to it by saying she is German and hates men.

Lol. :rolleyes:
I think the point here is not sexism nor racism, rather to improve the allure of the thing. There are two completely obvious elements to this story; The devil, and the devil's curse. The devil is the woman. She's a smiley, foreign blond woman, who sleeps around with men. The devil dresses himself in very alluring clothing. Ask any single man whether he'd have any qualms about sleeping with some random, happy, young blonde German woman, and he'll say no. The reasons for using a German woman in this story are obvious, and they're not "isms". The other element is the curse, the virus.

It's an obvious "scare them into wearing protection story", and tries to make you believe that there are now 1000 men walking around Dublin, unknowingly infected with HIV. This is meant to scare women into vigliance. The fact is that (if this actually happened), only 1 or 2, at most a handful of the men she slept with, actually became infected. Statistics on infection likelihood are surprisingly sparse or incomplete (I guess it's not something you can test in a lab), but it's generally accepted that infection rates for men having sex with HIV+ women is that about half of that for most other groups (probably due to the lack of female-male fluid transfer).

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=73514

Spreading ignorance is one of the most disgusting things I can think of. :mad:

Absolutely. Terrorism in a different form.

jor el · 28-07-2005 01:04PM

Wez wrote:

Seriously is, I'm defo gonna wrap up from now on..

You mean you haven't already?

This story is obviously a fabrication, but in my opinion, anyone who has unprotected sex with a complete stranger after just meeting them deserves anything they might get from it. The sad truth is that Irish people in general are so stupid and ignorant of the dangers that they believe the absolute worst thing that can happen is she'll get pregnant.

MadPatrick · 28-07-2005 01:36PM

jor el wrote:

You mean you haven't already?

This story is obviously a fabrication, but in my opinion, anyone who has unprotected sex with a complete stranger after just meeting them deserves anything they might get from it. The sad truth is that Irish people in general are so stupid and ignorant of the dangers that they believe the absolute worst thing that can happen is she'll get pregnant.

You sir, are a baboon!!! That is such a stupid and short sighted thing to write. Someone gets drunk to the point of having sex without a condom and they deserve to die in an extremely long, painful and humiliating way??
You just wished AIDS on me and I'm sure the majority of Ireland.
We all know the dangers but sometimes we do stupid things, like having unproteced sex or writing stupid posts saying people deserve AIDS.

Kiera · 28-07-2005 01:38PM

jor el wrote:

You mean you haven't already?

This story is obviously a fabrication, but in my opinion, anyone who has unprotected sex with a complete stranger after just meeting them deserves anything they might get from it. The sad truth is that Irish people in general are so stupid and ignorant of the dangers that they believe the absolute worst thing that can happen is she'll get pregnant.

Here here ^^^^^^^^^^^^ *claps hands*

Kernel · 28-07-2005 01:43PM

MorningStar wrote:

Sorry what are you saying? The Jury isn't out the whole article is about how the cardinal's statement is at the least misleading and reliant on dodgy data and experiments. Condoms are not 100% safe has always been known and said. Condoms reduce the risk has always been said.

Well, quoting the end of the article:

"The conclusion

Condoms can significantly cut the risk of HIV infection, but are not perfect or foolproof."

So what I'm saying is that your previous statement of the claim that the HIV virus can sometimes pass through a condom as being bull****, is not in fact bull****. There is a chance that it can happen. A very low chance, but a chance nonetheless.

MorningStar wrote:

One of the reasons Hiv/AIDs is spreading so much in Africa is the sex practices. Things like using bark in the sex act tears vaginal tissue and penis tissue sharing blood making the virsu travel easier. The strangle hold the catholic church has in the country makes matters worse.

I agree with you about the sex practices of many African people (particularly wearing condoms made from animal intestine, which you can see in the article are definitely porous, and the virus can definitely pass through them). However, the usual Catholic Church bashing argument is completely wrong. If the Catholic Church had such a 'strangle hold' on Africans, then they wouldn't have sex before marriage, have multiple wives or commit adultery - therefore, if they followed the teachings of the Catholic Church the rate of HIV infection would be much much less.

MorningStar wrote:

I don't know everything about Hiv but it isn't a death sentence and people can live happy productive lives.

Getting tested every 6 months / 12 months to see if one has developed full blown AIDS, monitoring the immune system after simple flus and infections, not being able to have children, and not being able to have a safe and sexual relationship with a partner is not my idea of a happy life!

joejoem · 28-07-2005 02:04PM

MadPatrick wrote:

You sir, are a baboon!!! That is such a stupid and short sighted thing to write. Someone gets drunk to the point of having sex without a condom and they deserve to die in an extremely long, painful and humiliating way??
You just wished AIDS on me and I'm sure the majority of Ireland.
We all know the dangers but sometimes we do stupid things, like having unproteced sex or writing stupid posts saying people deserve AIDS.

Yeah why dont we send people who have unprotected sex with a stranger over to Iraq with a sign saying I hate Muslims. Everyone makes mistakes, and when alcahol is involved people are even more prone. The above statement irritates me, its like a judgment on young girls that got pregnant and were sent to the magdeline sisters.

MorningStar · 28-07-2005 02:59PM

Kernel wrote:

"The conclusion

Condoms can significantly cut the risk of HIV infection, but are not perfect or foolproof."

So what I'm saying is that your previous statement of the claim that the HIV virus can sometimes pass through a condom as being bull****, is not in fact bull****. There is a chance that it can happen. A very low chance, but a chance nonetheless.

Did you read the same article. Every experiment the cardinal was using was very questionable. Condoms have never been 100%. I never said bull anything just that misleading information. It is not true to say the risk of a condom is the ability for a virus to travel through the latex in a condom because it is so small. The risk is the same as the amount of protection failure risk. Condoms have never ever claimed to be 100% protection about catching HIV. It is intentional fear being spread over another risk of using condoms. The risk has not changed.

Kernel wrote:

If the Catholic Church had such a 'strangle hold' on Africans, then they wouldn't have sex before marriage, have multiple wives or commit adultery

There are many ways to have power. Catholic orgainsations have a lot of financiical control in theses countries and they have stopped condoms being made avilable.

Kernel wrote:

Getting tested every 6 months / 12 months to see if one has developed full blown AIDS, monitoring the immune system after simple flus and infections, not being able to have children, and not being able to have a safe and sexual relationship with a partner is not my idea of a happy life!

Either is being in a wheelchair but you can still have a happy productive life. Diabetic maybe, there are loads of things which make you "imperfect" but you can live with and go on to be happy

Madpatrick wrote:

You sir, are a baboon!!! That is such a stupid and short sighted thing to write. Someone gets drunk to the point of having sex without a condom and they deserve to die in an extremely long, painful and humiliating way??

What do you think of drunk drivers? I mean they get drunk and then put themselves and others at risk but they are drunk so it's OK right? What's the difference aren't you putting yourself at risk and others too with drunk unsafe sex? Dying of anything may or may not be painful and/or humiliating. People have to understand they are responsible when drunk or not as the result is the same. Drunk isn't an excuse because you got there yourself. THere are certain things you would never do drunk or not on that list should be unprotected sex no excuse!

seamus · 28-07-2005 03:24PM

MadPatrick wrote:

You sir, are a baboon!!! That is such a stupid and short sighted thing to write. Someone gets drunk to the point of having sex without a condom and they deserve to die in an extremely long, painful and humiliating way??
...
We all know the dangers but sometimes we do stupid things, like having unproteced sex or writing stupid posts saying people deserve AIDS.

How about if a person who is already HIV+ positive gets drunk and has unprotected sex? "Ah shure tis OK, he had the few pints on him at de time".

Kernel · 28-07-2005 03:54PM

MorningStar wrote:

Did you read the same article. Every experiment the cardinal was using was very questionable. Condoms have never been 100%. I never said bull anything just that misleading information. It is not true to say the risk of a condom is the ability for a virus to travel through the latex in a condom because it is so small. The risk is the same as the amount of protection failure risk. Condoms have never ever claimed to be 100% protection about catching HIV. It is intentional fear being spread over another risk of using condoms. The risk has not changed.

The experiments were not questionable.. the scientists did not like him using the results of their experiments to suggest that condoms were a bad thing, there's a difference. The risk is still there. You did suggest it was bull****, I quote your original post:

The stickers claims the AIDs virus was so small that it could go through a condom. That's simply a lie for a means and I see no difference from this kind of story.

The HIV virus *can* travel through condoms, it's not 'simply a lie'. Risk is risk amigo.

MorningStar wrote:

There are many ways to have power. Catholic orgainsations have a lot of financiical control in theses countries and they have stopped condoms being made avilable.

That's not what you meant, and I think you know it. If Africans adhered to the Catholic teachings, AIDS would be nowhere near the problem it is. Casual sex with strangers, adultery and polygamy caused the spread of AIDS, along with not using condoms - but if the Africans adhered to Church teachings they wouldn't need condoms for protection anyway.

MorningStar wrote:

Either is being in a wheelchair but you can still have a happy productive life. Diabetic maybe, there are loads of things which make you "imperfect" but you can live with and go on to be happy

So you reckon you would live a happy life with AIDS? Without being able to have children, with a heavily reduced life span, no possibility of having a normal sexual relationship (and maybe not a relationship at all) with a partner? You'd live on and be happy? Nope. There's a difference between coping with something and having a happy life.

MorningStar wrote:

What do you think of drunk drivers? I mean they get drunk and then put themselves and others at risk but they are drunk so it's OK right? What's the difference aren't you putting yourself at risk and others too with drunk unsafe sex? Dying of anything may or may not be painful and/or humiliating. People have to understand they are responsible when drunk or not as the result is the same. Drunk isn't an excuse because you got there yourself. THere are certain things you would never do drunk or not on that list should be unprotected sex no excuse!

I never mentioned being drunk or drink driving, so I fail to see why you should bring that up at all tbh?

To answer your question, I think drunk drivers are irresponsible, and a threat to life.

jor el · 28-07-2005 04:06PM

MadPatrick wrote:

You sir, are a baboon!!! That is such a stupid and short sighted thing to write. Someone gets drunk to the point of having sex without a condom and they deserve to die in an extremely long, painful and humiliating way??
You just wished AIDS on me and I'm sure the majority of Ireland.
We all know the dangers but sometimes we do stupid things, like having unprotected sex or writing stupid posts saying people deserve AIDS.

I won't resort to petty name calling, but I will defend my opinion. No matter how drunk you are, you are still an idiot if you don't use protection. I also hope that the majority of people in Ireland don't have unprotected sex with strangers on a regular basis. Although the growing numbers of STD cases in Ireland, and Dublin in particular, is a glowing testament to the stupidity of people just like you. I'm quite happy knowing that I won't be one of them.

If you can't see how wrong you are then you may be in for quite a shock some day soon. It's also sad that your negligence may pass an STD onto others too before you even realise you have it.

AIDS is not the only STD too you know, and it doesn't kill everyone in a long and painful way as you say. I don't wish AIDS or any STD on anyone, but if you are too stupid or too ignorant to protect yourself then you reap what you sow. Being drunk is a handy excuse to make people feel better about them selves when they do something stupid.

MorningStar · 28-07-2005 04:39PM

Kernel wrote:

That's not what you meant, and I think you know it

You are either a very stupid arrogant person or trolling. I'll go with stupid because you couldn't figure out when I was responding to somebody else. Seeing as you assumed my view and read a different understanding than I meant I would suggest you read the article again. The risk has not increase in any manner. I never used any word with bull in it once. I did say it was a ly which was a minor incorrect statement. It was a lie to suggest condoms do not prevent HIV transmission which at least was inferred by the stickers if not directly said. Knowing that it is possible for the virus to travel through a condom does not change the reliability as the virus can't travel on it's own.
People can be happy or sad no matter what..

Kernel · 28-07-2005 05:02PM

MorningStar wrote:

You are either a very stupid arrogant person or trolling. I'll go with stupid because you couldn't figure out when I was responding to somebody else. Seeing as you assumed my view and read a different understanding than I meant I would suggest you read the article again. The risk has not increase in any manner. I never used any word with bull in it once. I did say it was a ly which was a minor incorrect statement. It was a lie to suggest condoms do not prevent HIV transmission which at least was inferred by the stickers if not directly said. Knowing that it is possible for the virus to travel through a condom does not change the reliability as the virus can't travel on it's own.
People can be happy or sad no matter what..

Hmm.. I think your argument has just fallen on it's arse there MorningStar. Know that I take no pleasure from this, and that I'm not angry that you had to resort to personal abuse. I just like to make sure a strong statement is an accurate one.

Scruff · 28-07-2005 05:26PM

OMFG!! my mate shagged a german bird in dublin last year, i'd better tell him!!!
ahem.

Its also not just Catholic Africans getting aids, shock horror muslims get it too ([linkd=here]http://www.ockenden.org.uk/index.asp?id=1106[/linkd]) and i'm sure so do those of every other belief system.

from [linkd=this article]http://www.kit.nl/frameset.asp?/ils/exchange_content/html/2004-1_condoning_or_condemning.asp&frnr=1&[/linkd]

Uganda's population is 33% Roman Catholic, 33% Protestant and 16% Muslim. With such large followings, Catholicism, Anglicanism, and Islam are well-positioned in Uganda, as they are in many other African societies, to strongly influence what people know about HIV/AIDS and how they live their lives. The "C" in the Ugandan Government's ABC prevention programme is a sensitive issue among many religious communities. While most faith-based groups in Uganda do not condemn the government strategy of condoms as a "third line of defence" behind abstinence and being faithful in the ABC programme, they also do not openly condone the promotion of condoms for HIV prevention. Faith-based organisations tend to reject condom use because condoms provide a means for people to have sex outside of marriage.

anywho, the op's quoted story is a troll imo.

sprinkles · 28-07-2005 05:37PM

KdjaC wrote:

Think its attmepted murder or some sort of manslaughter charge.

Not too bright this young lad altho possibly a troll.

kdjac

Wasn't there a woman convicted of murder in Austrailia last year for this. Could have been a guy, not sure but there was definately a case.

I wouldn't mind but she's unatractive. So you bumb uglies with an ugly bird AND get HIV. That sucks.

The_B_Man · 28-07-2005 07:27PM

did it not say at the start that she was good lookin, then at the end it said she was unattractive?

nlgbbbblth · 28-07-2005 08:34PM

Man hammers nails into penis, pours Coca-Cola on it, and rats eat it.

"A man in his early thirties died in hospital today after being discovered in his downtown Antique restoration workshop suffering from severe groin injuries. He was barely conscious after an apparent accident when paramedics rushed him to Freemantle Royal Infirmary where he died of his injuries."

Cub reporter Angeline MacKenzie later discovered that the man Bruce Coltrane, had been found by his wife after she had heard cries of agony coming from the workshop. The temperature on that day was well into the 40's - Coltrane was enjoying an ice cold Coca Cola. MacKenzie believes that the man became aroused by the heat and possibly boredom and started to masturbate. During his session he decided to experiment with self-piercing by hammering thin nails into his foreskin. He apparently slipped and missed the nail hitting the gland of his penis with the 2 pound hammer splitting it wide open.

In the shock of what he had done he reached for the Coke and poured the cooling liquid on to his bleeding member whilst staggering towards the phone. What happened next defies believe. Coltrane's pain was so extreme that he passed out and fell to the floor, It's understood that he woke several hours later to discover to his horror that not only his penis but his scrotum and testicles completely missing.

The investigation revealed that the blood and sugary drink had attracted rats which had proceeded to feast on the unconscious mans exposed genitalia even delving into the soft flesh of his intestine only stopping when he came round. Bleeding profusely he cried for help and later died from shock and loss of blood. Nasty.

FX Meister · 29-07-2005 12:34AM

PORNAPSTER wrote:

I totally agree.

You would have to find someone to have sex with you first.

Prior Of Taize · 29-07-2005 12:55AM

MadPatrick wrote:

You sir, are a baboon!!! That is such a stupid and short sighted thing to write. Someone gets drunk to the point of having sex without a condom and they deserve to die in an extremely long, painful and humiliating way??
You just wished AIDS on me and I'm sure the majority of Ireland.
We all know the dangers but sometimes we do stupid things, like having unproteced sex or writing stupid posts saying people deserve AIDS.

you now know the risks of it fully...so STFU and either "wrap up" or shut up

Lenny · 29-07-2005 01:28AM

Only bothered reading the first page...
its must easier for girls to contract HIV from guys while having sex, becuase during intercourse a females veins in her vagina are burst leaving her open to infection from a guy infected.
For a guy sleeping with a girl infect its very hard for him to contract it off the female unless he has a cut in his penis while having intercourse or giving oral sex to her,
so its well harder for a guy to catch it off a female, but its still possible, chance are much much lower

Son_of_Belial · 29-07-2005 02:10AM

Well who sleeps with some random girl without wearing a condom anyway? If there are idiots doing this then they deserve to catch something. Not that I'm condoning this bitch for one second... Honestly, have some common sense guys... As for the above post, that's just rubbish. I don't want to go into the gory details too much, but during unprotected sex, there is a bit of a "vacuuming effect" as regards the male point of view. Ejaculation doesn't expel all the... um... "secretions" from the penis you know...

Wow. This is unbelievably scary.

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