Anyone want to know whats happening to your rights?

Nuttzz · 22-07-2005 08:15AM

Hobbes wrote:

They haven't been attacked by Alien Polar bears either, so they must be doing something right there too.

when were they last attacked by alien polar bears....have you a link for that???

Dades · 22-07-2005 09:16AM

Hobbes wrote:

Why would they need to attack? AQ have nothing to gain from it. US would just start interning all the Muslim population and go attack another country if an attack was to ever take place. Terrorism takes the easiest form of attack that will induce the most terror.

The US is already worked up into a paranoid frenzy, AQ don't have to do crap to them, they are doing it to themselves. Take the bombs that didn't quite go off yesterday. On the news a lot of the Brits are "Ahh sure your scared, but wtf I have a life to live". Meanwhile in US NYC have imposed mandatory searches of all bags and Bush got his patriot act extended yesterday for 10 years with all the extra extensions they put into it.

So the US is now safe from attack because AQ have nothing to gain from doing so? They'll just keep hitting everywhere else to freak them out?

Well great. Now that they have so many resources freed up, the US can help the rest of Europe track down the terrorists that are indirectly terrorising them by bombing their allies.

Hmmm.

Hobbes · 22-07-2005 09:32AM

The Atheist wrote:

So the US is now safe from attack because AQ have nothing to gain from doing so? They'll just keep hitting everywhere else to freak them out?

Doesn't matter what level of protections you put in place. Terrorists will take the path of least resistance to cause terror.

The point is that the US administration is happily doing it for them.

Zapho · 22-07-2005 10:10AM

Stark wrote:

To be honest I'd happily live with the remote chance of being killed by terrorists than to be stripped of my human rights. I stand a far greater chance of being killed on Irish roads but that doesn't stop me from travelling places, it's one primary example of how freedom is much more valuable than safety. Life will always be a risky game, it may not always be an enjoyable one.

Thats true in Ireland, but Americans are very willing to trade freedom for security. This probably leads them to believe that other nations will do the same.

Hobbes · 22-07-2005 10:22AM

Nuttzz wrote:

when were they last attacked by alien polar bears....have you a link for that???

Onoz you got me.

juno75 · 22-07-2005 10:46AM

If we had honest, transparent and competent govenments on both side's AND there was some public debate about this first, then, maybe, I'd be OK with it.

The way the world is today and the way this has just been enacted without any
public consultation leaves me feeling a tad uneasy

juno75 · 22-07-2005 10:47AM

Was the Hitler plan called 'Operation Green' or am I dreaming agian?

Nuttzz · 22-07-2005 10:57AM

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/br...2/breaking2.htm

Our attack in the heart of the infidel British capital is nothing but a message to all European governments that we will not rest until all the infidel troops leave Iraq," said the statement by the Abu Hafs al-Masri Brigades dated today

You mean us lovable irish arent safe????

Remember these loons class us all as infidels, involved or not in any military alliance....

Catsmokinpot · 22-07-2005 11:17AM

Blisterman wrote:

I'd much rather have this possibility, than have more terrorist attacks.

what are you on about? you think ireland is gonna get bombed i dont mean to sound like a carefree mick and your going to say "well you never know" but ill give you 20 quid if ireland gets attacked by terrorists because of the iraq war

Hobbes · 22-07-2005 11:28AM

We help US warplanes ship cargo and troops to/from Iraq. So Ireland is to some extent helping the war in Iraq.

Trojan · 22-07-2005 11:45AM

And probably ship people through Shannon to 3rd party countries for a wee spot of torture too.

Nothing to worry about though, it could never happen to you or me...

Orion · 22-07-2005 11:46AM

Stekelly wrote:

Last I checked we werent in a country run by a dictator who is murderng thousands of his own people, trying to annex our neighbours and proclaiming death to americans.

But that's enough about George W Bush.

Orion · 22-07-2005 11:51AM

Guzzler wrote:

I think this is just another case of the usual anti-American idiots,

Here we go again. I'm concerned with civil liberties - the basis of any democracy. That does not make me anti-american. I am certainly opposed to most of the US governments foreign policies but I am not anti-American! If I object to actions of my own government does that make me anti-Irish. This is just a standard defence used by people who haven't a damn clue how to make a rational case.

Trojan · 22-07-2005 11:54AM

Macros: don't bother. It's very clear from that quote who the idiot is.

Orion · 22-07-2005 11:55AM

True. But it might prevent other people from sliding down that slope

BEAT · 22-07-2005 02:11PM

In regard to the original post as I havnt read any of the replies,

I actually heard about this over a week ago and was just drop jawed, I cant believe they are going to put this into action.
if something can be done to stop this then I hope they do but at this stage it looks as if it will pass.

The only people that should be able to be extradited should be federal crime commiters, muderers and such...but unfortunatly I dont think it is going to be a pick and choose kind of law.

Sarky · 22-07-2005 02:12PM

Does this mean I can't pop in the words infidel, jihad, anthrax, or Bush into my posts anymore?

BEAT · 22-07-2005 02:18PM

Sarky wrote:

Does this mean I can't pop in the words infidel, jihad, anthrax, or Bush into my posts anymore?

hmmm I dunno...wouldnt that be against the right to free press or something? I mean that would mean I couldnt say, bomb..whitehouse or murder and Bush in the same sentence.
where is the justice in that?

Lies I tell ya!!! all lies!!!!
the govenerment is controlling your minds!!!!!
run now...oh dear....I hear footsteps,
its a conspiracy, you heard it here first...
I ,

DamoKen · 22-07-2005 03:57PM

http://www.irishexaminer.com/pport/web/ireland/Full_Story/did-sg46g7Ks0cvBEsg7OWirIStPSk.asp

has anyone heard anything much about this? When I first read the article I thought it must be an elaborate hoax/joke played by my mate who mailed me the link but sadly not it seems, a "few" and I mean very few people I've talked to over the last few days have also heard about it. I wouldn't consider myself to be the most up to date on current affairs, but I generally read at least the main features in at least one of the broadsheets each day. Not sure which scares me more about this, the actual implications of such an act on the sovereign rights of Irish citizens if this report is accurate, or the very limited amount of coverage it has seemed to recieve, perhaps I'm overreacting, but I would have thought the CIA being granted carte blanche in the state of Ireland (if true) would have warranted a tad more reaction from the news agencies???
Anyone know anything more about this?

BizzyC · 22-07-2005 03:59PM

There's already a thread about this going.
Something about your rights....

DamoKen · 22-07-2005 04:02PM

BizzyC wrote:

There's already a thread about this going.
Something about your rights....

just seen it, sorry about that :rolleyes:

Kernel · 22-07-2005 04:17PM

Guzzler wrote:

Its a well known fact that Hitler toyed with the idea of using Ireland as a staging post for the invasion of GB. As far as I can remember he called it Operation Cabbage Patch. The irish Govt at the time had beefed up defences (It even took the armoured car that accompanied MC to Beal na Blath out of a museum ). Churchill also planned to invade to nip Hs plan in the bud. There are probably some people who would have preferred Hitler to invade but GBs threat was enough to keep them at bay.

Yeah, I'm aware of those plans, but that doesn't back up your statement that countries had to protect Ireland during WW2.....

GerryManderer · 22-07-2005 04:17PM

Surely the CIA do whatever they like whenever they like and have done for years. Why, I was watching that "24" just last week, and some chap called Jack Bauer was flouting all sorts of all international treaties and human rights acts in pursuit of some ALLEGED terrorists.

This latest report comes as no shock.

Bob Bogart · 22-07-2005 04:20PM

GerryManderer wrote:

Surely the CIA do whatever they like whenever they like and have done for years. Why, I was watching that "24" just last week, and some chap called Jack Bauer was flouting all sorts of all international treaties and human rights acts in pursuit of some ALLEGED terrorists.

This latest report comes as no shock.

I this nutter for real? reality and fiction, my friend are two entirley different things.

Dellgirl · 22-07-2005 04:24PM

Surely the CIA do whatever they like whenever they like and have done for years. Why, I was watching that "24" just last week, and some chap called Jack Bauer was flouting all sorts of all international treaties and human rights acts in pursuit of some ALLEGED terrorists.

This latest report comes as no shock.

Have they rescued those poor people involved that plane crash from that island yet?

Nuttzz · 22-07-2005 04:30PM

Sarky wrote:

Does this mean I can't pop in the words infidel, jihad, anthrax, or Bush into my posts anymore?

Of course you can, for example

sarky wrote:

To defeat the jihad, the almighty leader of the infidels George W Bush should anthrax the middle east

Kernel · 22-07-2005 05:54PM

Fear is a powerful method of control. The Republicans in the US have capitalised on the 9/11 attacks to brainwash the average yank into thinking the nearby WAL-Mart is going to be targeted by Al-Qaeda. I suppose there were too many problems with internal control (eg. Oklahoma bombing) when the common enemy of the Soviet "gonna eat american babies" Union was taken out of the equation, so they had to find a new (more vague) enemy to rally the people against, and ensure Bush/Republican re-election.

Blair will get his ID cards and many other fascist methods of control now that the London bombs have gone off, so it's a win - win situation for the Anglo-American empire.

Dades · 22-07-2005 05:55PM

Has anyone heard from from Nuttzz or Sarky since their last posts?

Hello? Hello?

THEY'VE GOT THEM AAAARRGH :eek:

Sarky · 22-07-2005 07:30PM

I am still present. Do not be alarmed. All is well. God Bless America.

Hobbes · 22-07-2005 07:36PM

Bob Bogart wrote:

I this nutter for real? reality and fiction, my friend are two entirley different things.

Art imitating life?

Actually noticing a lot of US shows are now desensitising people to what HLS can do in regards to the new laws. First noticed it on 4,400.

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