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Do they train An Garda to be ignorant...

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  • #62
    Alfasudcrazy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,499 ✭✭✭Alfasudcrazy


    Wertz wrote:
    Looks like I'm flogging a dead horse at this stage...meh, if you're all happy with your perception of the force, then so be it.

    As a Garda Sergeant myself I think the way you were treated was a disgrace. I too have some concerns about the attitude of some of the younger members in relation to dealing with the public and there is no excuse for that kind of abruptness.
    As you say just because you are 20 something does not mean you are a criminal and should have been treated with more courtesy. :)


  • #63
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,964 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    How bout this one...

    - a Garda refusing to charge a junkie for kicking in the front door of our house despite her screaming in his face "YEA I F**KIN DID IT", instead saying he "didnt want to go down that road"

    - Refusing to even bring another one in for questioning for much the same thing late one night because they "didn't want to get him out of his bed" (despite the scumbag's girlfriend admitting that he did it).
    That night I was actually out of town and my mam was on her own in the house, so I rang the head station for the district and heard the officer on the desk LAUGHING on the other line with his colleagues in the local station about it..which soon ended when I told him I'd heard every word and would be raising it with his Chief Super Monday morning.

    - Hanging up repeatedly when complaints are raised, or not bothering to turn up at all - yet when the same junkie mentioned in example one had her car nicked last week, there was a car and a van up in 5 minutes, the car was returned an hour later AND they came back to make sure said junkie was happy with the service.

    - A Garda sergeant telling me that he had no way of contacting 2 officers in the area who had turned up at our door while he was telling us there was noone in the area. The two officers in question were asked to wait (they didn't) and then their sergeant tries to tell me these two have no radio or mobile in the car...not just lies, but STUPID lies!!!

    - Turning up at the door with no numbers and/or refusing to give their names

    - Being provided with statements, video and audio evidence but outright refusing to take action against the scumbags involved

    There's 17 years!!! worth of documented and logged examples I can give ... any comments?


  • #64
    LadyJ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,122 ✭✭✭LadyJ


    What's in the bag lads?!


  • #65
    ExoduS 18.11
    Closed Accounts Posts: 450 ✭✭ExoduS 18.11


    bravestarr082 wrote:
    They're not feckin robots Wertz!, people are people.... ever hear of different personalities? Fair enough there is a certain degree of customer service needed in a garda station but its not a run of the mill job.....dealing with thick drunk f*cks who puke everywhere, getting threatened, a chance of getting stuck with a needle with every junkie they find. I think the guards do a fine job given the resources provided.
    No offence but they knew the risks before they started the job, i agree that it must be strenuous on them having to deal with scum etc. But i hardly think that Wertz was going to puke all over the guard and stab her with a needle, all that was needed was a stamp and signature. Gardai are meant to be serving the people, and sometimes they just dont do it courteously whish they should be doing with regular citizens.


  • #66
    chern0byl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 541 ✭✭✭chern0byl


    kstanl wrote:
    You're a brave man. And what if the b**ch appologised and said "excuse me and I'll go and get this stamped for you, sir!" and you didn't see your documentation for an hour?

    What if, What if?
    If you paid €60 for a meal in a restaurant for yourself and your girlfriend and were given a sub standard meal, asked for something different you take a chance that you meal might have additional content, but would you send it back or accept the original junk meal/service?

    People in general in ireland do all their complaining about sub-standard services after the fact, when nothing can be done about it and thats a fact.


    kstanl wrote:
    Well done, a picture outside Marlay Park and one inside. You're a great lad coming online and boasting about how you illegaly broke into an Oasis concert
    and then gave a cop the what-for when he questioned you. I smell bulls**t on both counts but even if it is true, it only goes to show that you're nothing but a low-life.

    Im lacking in the friends department lately so i had to boast somewhere. Yeah, a degeneration has gone on lately. I'll take your "low-life" comment into consideration, but not until mass next sunday(honestly).


    kstanl wrote:
    He has no backbone? And I suppose you're hard as nails, yeah? Ooooh. You must feel like a big man talking s**t behind your keyboard. When was the last time you were in a fight and you DIDN'T get your head kicked in?

    Genuinely cant remember the last time someone gave me a hammering, but then i am 23 and am very wise.I never start fights anymore and do my best to end them, when my friends are involved but i dont get into fights.


    kstanl wrote:
    Eh, so what are you contributing to this thread for? Apart from to show everyone how much of a tough guy, cop-killer you are?


    Contributing? Honest opinions. In any post responding to my posts have you contributed anything other than sling some muck? I havent made any unfair comments in any post, but honestly you seem to be baiting me for an argument you wont get.(there yes, even on webforums i am the coward you say im am)


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  • #67
    kstanl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 291 ✭✭kstanl


    chern0byl wrote:
    What if, What if?
    If you paid €60 for a meal in a restaurant for yourself and your girlfriend and were given a sub standard meal, asked for something different you take a chance that you meal might have additional content, but would you send it back or accept the original junk meal/service?

    I'd accept the fact it was a crap restaurant and I wouldn't go back.
    chern0byl wrote:
    People in general in ireland do all their complaining about sub-standard services after the fact, when nothing can be done about it and thats a fact.

    Like I said, you just don't give them repeat business. If you want to tell people about your bad experience on a forum, well there's nothing wrong with that.
    chern0byl wrote:
    Im lacking in the friends department lately so i had to boast somewhere. Yeah, a degeneration has gone on lately. I'll take your "low-life" comment into consideration, but not until mass next sunday(honestly).

    My heart bleeds for you.
    chern0byl wrote:
    Genuinely cant remember the last time someone gave me a hammering, but then i am 23 and am very wise.I never start fights anymore and do my best to end them, when my friends are involved but i dont get into fights.

    Well if you're as "brave" to people's faces are you are over the web, it's only a matter of time.
    chern0byl wrote:
    Contributing? Honest opinions. In any post responding to my posts have you contributed anything other than sling some muck?

    No. Just in your direction though.
    chern0byl wrote:
    I havent made any unfair comments in any post

    I think accusing the OP of having no backbone was unfair actually. I would have done the same in his position and I am far from lacking backbone, I can assure you.


  • #68
    chern0byl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 541 ✭✭✭chern0byl


    kstanl wrote:
    I'd accept the fact it was a crap restaurant and I wouldn't go back.

    This is my last post in this thread.
    You didnt answer my question though and i never said the restaraunt was crap. Perfectly good and even really great ones sometimes mess up.


    kstanl wrote:
    Like I said, you just don't give them repeat business. If you want to tell people about your bad experience on a forum, well there's nothing wrong with that.

    Its a trivial experience. A garda was rude...boohoo. I only responded to point out the obvious. The thread title was wrong: "do they ....."

    kstanl wrote:
    Well if you're as "brave" to people's faces are you are over the web, it's only a matter of time.


    I have'nt shown any suggestion of bravery in this thread. I only said i will not accept rudeness to the degree that the OP experienced and i asked a garda why he would stomp on my foot to get my attention. Those are normal things people do every day.

    kstanl wrote:
    No. Just in your direction though.

    I get to use your saying here: the "keyboard warrior" one.
    Your the keyboard warrior, not me.

    kstanl wrote:
    I think accusing the OP of having no backbone was unfair actually. I would have done the same in his position and I am far from lacking backbone, I can assure you.

    Have fun sucking it up next time then.


  • #69
    shellby
    Closed Accounts Posts: 274 ✭✭shellby


    a very close friend of mine is a student garda he loves his job but it can be an extremely stressful one in all fairness you have absiloutely no idea what kind of night or morning she had been having up until then


  • #70
    Megatron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭Megatron


    kstanl sorry but you sound like you have a major chip on your sholder , the type that gets alot of people to consider you a Idiot.



    I've kept my mouth shut , untill i though the tread had run it's course, so now i though i'd give my 2 cents.

    The Garda are in a position , a unique one as they protect us from each other and ourselves. from what i know ( Have a friend who's a trainiee Copper) you must treat the public with respect at all times , if even they are skummers. Hardly anyone does thier job to the best of thier abilty all the time, there are mistakes/slipups,

    If the OP is feeling p1ssed off , he has a right to, but he could of said somthing to the garda ( like : Saterday morning , they suck don't they ?) or something to that effect, and taken it from there, another way was to note the numbers on the shoulder and then speak to them about it , if they start to get snotty or abusive, just shut your moth get your stuff done, leave , and report them.


  • #71
    pickarooney
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    deisedevil wrote:
    Yup your right, they have to deal with a lot of carp
    ....
    another time i went in to get my passport form stamped and again exactly the same carp again!! they refused to sign it,said they didn't know who i was! handed em garda id and said it wouldn't do! so how exactly was i meant to prove my identity then was my question? who's your father he said, he didn't know him, told him who my grandfather was, "ah ya shur i'd know jimmy well, that's no bother" stamped it. garda id wouldn't do but my grandfathers name did?? and until i mentioned that i was treated like i was a suspect or sumthin!!

    I think the problem may have been you confusing a fishmonger's with a police station.


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  • #72
    kstanl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 291 ✭✭kstanl


    Megatron wrote:
    kstanl sorry but you sound like you have a major chip on your sholder , the type that gets alot of people to consider you a Idiot.

    Nah, not really. But you carry on with your high-powered perceptions.
    Megatron wrote:
    The Garda are in a position , a unique one as they protect us from each other and ourselves.

    Not not unique. What about doormen? They do the same. How do you feel about doormen being rude to Joe T. Public? Is it acceptable because they have to take s**t off people?
    Megatron wrote:
    from what i know ( Have a friend who's a trainiee Copper) you must treat the public with respect at all times , if even they are skummers. Hardly anyone does thier job to the best of thier abilty all the time, there are mistakes/slipups,

    Rubbish! If you're ignorant and downright nasty to some totally innocent stranger who's come to you for help first thing in the morning, like the OP, this is not a slipup... this is a Garda who is highly unprofessional and shouldn't be in her post.
    Megatron wrote:
    If the OP is feeling p1ssed off , he has a right to, but he could of said somthing to the garda ( like : Saterday morning , they suck don't they ?) or something to that effect, and taken it from there, another way was to note the numbers on the shoulder and then speak to them about it , if they start to get snotty or abusive, just shut your moth get your stuff done, leave , and report them.

    If we agree then, eh, why do we disagree? The only thing we disagree on is whether he should have said something then and there or not and it's a moot point. Jesus! :rolleyes:


  • #73
    In_the_sea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 124 ✭✭In_the_sea


    yup..they can b ignorant to people...I went into the garda station for a passport and youd sware they believed i was a criminal..they shouted at me and even belittled info on my passport form..i pick up on things some people dont and i felt as though they were mildy annoyed..i sometimes make mistakes when reading something and he shouted at me when i gave an innacurate answer on my form. I felt like acriminal after coming out like I never broke the law bar a speeding offence :D but never since..
    that's why i applied for a 10 year passport so i dont have to ask a member of the gards to sign and complain about a form which i am entitled to.
    I mean if that is their attitude i think there should be centres around each county for passports to be issued. just like driving licences coz the gards can some times be ignorant and i think the attitude is just well kinda unnacceptable for law abiding people just goin in to get a passport. In that case, if they hate doing it why doesnt the government help them lost the hassle of having to do what seems to be a tedious task for them and move it to the county authorities instead.


  • #74
    In_the_sea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 124 ✭✭In_the_sea


    but theyre not all bad..remember they are there to protect and if they are on your side they will protect you against people who will violate you. I had to pay a speeding fine into a garda...he was a young gard and very sound and he was very cool about it..he was a sound gard..
    SO they're not all that bad..There's some ignorant some nice mannered..All different people go into the same catagory of jobs. I guess some people have a bad day aswell, so on that day you might see theyre bad side when maybe most of the time they're fairly ok...but some are just bo**xs permanently. :D
    ONLY SOME! :cool:


  • #75
    Megatron
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,035 ✭✭✭Megatron


    kstanl wrote:
    Nah, not really. But you carry on with your high-powered perceptions.

    Wow I'm high-powered now ? :rolleyes:
    kstanl wrote:
    Not not unique. What about doormen? They do the same. How do you feel about doormen being rude to Joe T. Public? Is it acceptable because they have to take s**t off people?

    Do doormen roam the streets, arrest people for crimes ? help people in thier homes ? , carry guns in order to protect our goverment officals ?

    Didn't think so

    kstanl wrote:
    Rubbish! If you're ignorant and downright nasty to some totally innocent stranger who's come to you for help first thing in the morning, like the OP, this is not a slipup... this is a Garda who is highly unprofessional and shouldn't be in her post.

    Hmmm what's a slipup , it's something that happens once, maybe twice ... this was the first dealing with the garda in question ( and i'd say the last if the OP has a choice), so don't make sweeping statements without getting the facts right.

    kstanl wrote:
    If we agree then, eh, why do we disagree? The only thing we disagree on is whether he should have said something then and there or not and it's a moot point. Jesus! :rolleyes:

    yes those where the options i saw myself , as i said, i had let the thread run along , and then posted my own view.


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