Goths in Ireland...?

Rozie · 15-07-2005 11:58PM #1

I'm amazed at how few goths there are in Ireland, at least real ones and not Mansonites and Korn Kiddies.

There's plenty in England. I personally know about 3 or 4 "proper" goths, at most. I've seen a couple in Cork when I was down there, and the odd one in Dublin, but you can't always tell by looks.

It's rather annoying, as NOBODY knows a large portion of the music I'm into. It's a bitch. I'd love to have someone to talk about especially because I can't really much with my bandmate, he doesn't appreciate that kind of thing.

I think in general in Ireland we have very few interesting diversities compared to what I've seen in other countries... oh well

Sparky · 16-07-2005 12:01AM

have you been to central bank recently?

Nightwish · 16-07-2005 12:05AM

so what music do you listen to? Bauhaus? Paradise Lost? Sisters of Mercy?

Im only 22 so I usually get lumped into being stereotyped a Mansonite kid for the way I dress, but Ive been called a goth for over 10 years.
anyway its not really about the music you listen to which can cause a person to be termed a goth. Gothicism is a whole outlook a person has- a fascination with darkness, as in the dark side of everything, death, victorian arts, romanticism, horror, etc etc

Rozie · 16-07-2005 12:22AM

Nightwish wrote:

so what music do you listen to? Bauhaus? Paradise Lost? Sisters of Mercy?

Im only 22 so I usually get lumped into being stereotyped a Mansonite kid for the way I dress, but Ive been called a goth for over 10 years.
anyway its not really about the music you listen to which can cause a person to be termed a goth. Gothicism is a whole outlook a person has- a fascination with darkness, as in the dark side of everything, death, victorian arts, romanticism, horror, etc etc

I wouldn't call you a mansonite by far if you know who Bauhaus and SoM are. Despite your slightly plain "Black" outlook on fashion, I had a feeling from your reasonable amount of intelligence there was more to you than "Nu Goth".

I'm 19 and I'm into an arcane mix of Alternative Rock(Pumpkins, Muse), Goth(Faith and the Muse, Bauhaus, Switchblade Symphony), Metal(the usual), and a little Prog(Pink Floyd, the Yes, Dream Theater).

jezza · 16-07-2005 12:34AM

Im called a goth just because of my hair or eyemake up. I love rap music and Im bubbly so Im not really a goth... just labelled

Rozie · 16-07-2005 12:35AM

Well, plenty of goths are bubbly... most real goths aren't just woe-is-me folks and if they are they probably have a reason.

simu · 16-07-2005 12:49AM

Rozie wrote:

I'm amazed at how few goths there are in Ireland, at least real ones and not Mansonites and Korn Kiddies.

There's plenty in England. I personally know about 3 or 4 "proper" goths, at most. I've seen a couple in Cork when I was down there, and the odd one in Dublin, but you can't always tell by looks.

It's rather annoying, as NOBODY knows a large portion of the music I'm into. It's a bitch. I'd love to have someone to talk about especially because I can't really much with my bandmate, he doesn't appreciate that kind of thing.

I think in general in Ireland we have very few interesting diversities compared to what I've seen in other countries... oh well

Forget about how people look. Most people who dress in the Goth style in Cork will know nothing about real Gothic music whilst some people who wear more colourful stuff might.

SpAcEd OuT · 16-07-2005 12:50AM

its a good thing there are so few goths in ireland,goths are bad for society

(let the argument begin)

Rozie · 16-07-2005 12:51AM

I'm actually half judging on that... the ones that aren't just plain black :P

its a good thing there are so few goths in ireland,goths are bad for society

Uh, why exactly? And don't troll. Saying "let the argument begin" just makes it OBVIOUS you're trying to troll.

jezza · 16-07-2005 01:00AM

Rozie wrote:

Well, plenty of goths are bubbly... most real goths aren't just woe-is-me folks and if they are they probably have a reason.

well im blonde and just because i put a mad colour in my hair with blonde and go mad with eyeliner.. that alledglly makes me a goth. Im not. Im just labelled.

Tar.Aldarion · 16-07-2005 01:02AM

what makes somebody a goth?i like most of those bands,wear black lol and have 'a fascination with darkness, as in the dark side of everything, death, victorian arts, romanticism, horror, etc etc'

but i wouldnt consider myself said goth.

Flukey · 16-07-2005 01:08AM

I was in Manchester a few weeks ago and there were a lot there. There was also a punk exhibition in a public building there, and there was a big congregation of goths and punks outside it. You don't see so many here. A lot of them look terrible or ridiculous. It is often a pity as some of the female goths are not bad looking, and would look even better if they would remove all that dark makeup. Still, it is their own choice and if that is the way they want to look, then that is what they will and can do.

simu · 16-07-2005 01:10AM

That culture of sub groups of people with similar styles of dress and taste in music seems to more engrained in English culture than over here. After all, England is where Goths, Punks, Mods etc were born so it's not surprising that there are more representatives of such groups over there.

Gareth2303 · 16-07-2005 01:15AM

I really am against the whole "Depression" from Gothism but i have many friends who are into those bands who i wouldn't consider to be goths, they don't dress "noir" but love "that" music...

(Only problem i have is that i hate the music...I find it to be just pointless roaring...I am wrong in many cases but any so called goths i've chatted too love that scene.)

Talliesin · 16-07-2005 01:17AM

Sparky_S wrote:

have you been to central bank recently?

She said "proper goths". Or as someone I know recently put it, "in my day Goth was all cheap snakebite and nasty speed. It all seems to have changed since, and I don't really understand it anymore."

Tar.Aldarion · 16-07-2005 01:19AM

there are no goths at the central bank,there are some people who like good music though...:)

Nevyn · 16-07-2005 01:32AM

http://dominion.gothic.ie/
http://www.photobox.ie/album/1572252.

there are all sorts of people there
http://www.photobox.ie/shared/photo.html?c_album=1461680&photo=24552710&page=&group=

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Tusky · 16-07-2005 01:39AM

Goths are just nerds with make up.

r@t · 16-07-2005 01:49AM

hmmmmm rather odd comment there tusky. im not a goth myself but none that i know are "nerds" if by that you mean there not in with the "cool" extermely vain and shallow group you hit the nail on the head though.

Sparky · 16-07-2005 01:49AM

i thought nerds wore make up anyway

Kare Bear · 16-07-2005 01:50AM

And a rather gay taste in music.:p

Talliesin · 16-07-2005 01:54AM

Thaed wrote:

http://dominion.gothic.ie/
http://www.photobox.ie/album/1572252.

there are all sorts of people there
http://www.photobox.ie/shared/photo.html?c_album=1461680&photo=24552710&page=&group=

Unlike the last time Thaed posted pictures of goth girls in this forum, those links are all worksafe. They have clothes on and everything.

Nevyn · 16-07-2005 01:55AM

Stfu

Karl Hungus · 16-07-2005 01:57AM

I used to go out to Dominion when I was in dublin the odd time, but these days I've drifted quite far from the whole goth scene. I still dig the Fields Of The Nephilim mind you.

Tar.Aldarion · 16-07-2005 01:58AM

Easily_Irritated · 16-07-2005 02:02AM

Im not a goth, but I went out with a guy for two years who was. From my experience goths make good boyfriends

he was kind, accepting and very caring [which are now qualities I attribute to goths

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He was welsh, tho so that might not count in this thread! Hmmm

Rozie · 16-07-2005 02:20AM

Gareth2303 wrote:

I really am against the whole "Depression" from Gothism but i have many friends who are into those bands who i wouldn't consider to be goths, they don't dress "noir" but love "that" music...

(Only problem i have is that i hate the music...I find it to be just pointless roaring...I am wrong in many cases but any so called goths i've chatted too love that scene.)

I'm talking about real goth music.

And by real goths I mean goths that at least somewhat follow the original scene that was called "Goth", being into the Cure and Joy Division and bands like that at least.

I don't know many goth bands that "roar", though I guess Peter Murphy did have the odd fit. I think you're mistaking it for death metal, or something.

I used to think that goths would listen to lots of that stuff, but then common sense kicked in and I thought they must listen to something else. Goth can be quite a fragile, frilly, beautiful thing, it doesn't really fit in well with a lot of death metal imagery.

I'm mainly looking for people with similiar taste in music. Though I find my favourite band (Switchblade Symphony) aren't so liked by a lot of the goths online, which is a shame. It's hard to find someone that really loves them.

And Goth girls are usually quite pretty. They're often actually a little chubbier as they don't obsess over having a stick thin figure like some people do, but they're generally all shapes and sizes.

Goth is a pretty broad thing, really, but it still does follow from the actualy scene or music. There are very few goths true to the original sense.

Many of the "goths" you see nowadays are goths in the same way that Good Charlotte fans are Punks.

They often suck at choice of makeup and dress rather crappily, you'll get one or two who actually bought a decent dress or other such decent outfit and the rest are in baggy pants and slipknot hoodies.

Rozie · 16-07-2005 02:21AM

Flukey wrote:

I was in Manchester a few weeks ago and there were a lot there. There was also a punk exhibition in a public building there, and there was a big congregation of goths and punks outside it. You don't see so many here. A lot of them look terrible or ridiculous. It is often a pity as some of the female goths are not bad looking, and would look even better if they would remove all that dark makeup. Still, it is their own choice and if that is the way they want to look, then that is what they will and can do.

What is your ideal of a good looking bird, then?

I find too many people look too much the same. Even if you're going along an existing style, it's still one that offers a bit more creativity than "normal"....

FranknFurter · 16-07-2005 02:26AM

I love this.....

In my day (god i feel old), it was all about bands like, the cure, pixies, bahaus, pumpkins, Sisters of mercy, virgin prunes etc etc, all stuff i still listen to.

Im 28 now (shudder) and the only way iv changed in that regard is eyeliner, pancake, black nailpolish etc, dont look as good on me so i stopped wearing them.

(This is a guy who spent a good few years while living in UK, mainly socialising with bob an mary, sim etc btw lol)

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Tusky · 16-07-2005 02:39AM

FranknFurter wrote:

I love this.....

In my day (god i feel old), it was all about bands like, the cure, pixies, bahaus, pumpkins, Sisters of mercy, virgin prunes etc etc, all stuff i still listen to.

Im 28 now (shudder) and the only way iv changed in that regard is eyeliner, pancake, black nailpolish etc, dont look as good on me so i stopped wearing them.

(This is a guy who spent a good few years while living in UK, mainly socialising with bob an mary, sim etc btw lol)

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Pixies were never considered a goth band...

r@t wrote:

hmmmmm rather odd comment there tusky. im not a goth myself but none that i know are "nerds" if by that you mean there not in with the "cool" extermely vain and shallow group you hit the nail on the head though.

no, the comment does exactly what it says on the tin. In my experience goths are very similar to nerdy types...except they wear makeup. Aot of nerds even listen to that type of music.

Tar.Aldarion · 16-07-2005 02:41AM

what's a nerd?

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