Goths in Ireland...?

Rozie

I'm amazed at how few goths there are in Ireland, at least real ones and not Mansonites and Korn Kiddies.

There's plenty in England. I personally know about 3 or 4 "proper" goths, at most. I've seen a couple in Cork when I was down there, and the odd one in Dublin, but you can't always tell by looks.

It's rather annoying, as NOBODY knows a large portion of the music I'm into. It's a bitch. I'd love to have someone to talk about especially because I can't really much with my bandmate, he doesn't appreciate that kind of thing.

I think in general in Ireland we have very few interesting diversities compared to what I've seen in other countries... oh well

Sparky

have you been to central bank recently?

Nightwish

so what music do you listen to? Bauhaus? Paradise Lost? Sisters of Mercy?

Im only 22 so I usually get lumped into being stereotyped a Mansonite kid for the way I dress, but Ive been called a goth for over 10 years.
anyway its not really about the music you listen to which can cause a person to be termed a goth. Gothicism is a whole outlook a person has- a fascination with darkness, as in the dark side of everything, death, victorian arts, romanticism, horror, etc etc

Rozie

Nightwish wrote:

so what music do you listen to? Bauhaus? Paradise Lost? Sisters of Mercy?

Im only 22 so I usually get lumped into being stereotyped a Mansonite kid for the way I dress, but Ive been called a goth for over 10 years.
anyway its not really about the music you listen to which can cause a person to be termed a goth. Gothicism is a whole outlook a person has- a fascination with darkness, as in the dark side of everything, death, victorian arts, romanticism, horror, etc etc

I wouldn't call you a mansonite by far if you know who Bauhaus and SoM are. Despite your slightly plain "Black" outlook on fashion, I had a feeling from your reasonable amount of intelligence there was more to you than "Nu Goth".

I'm 19 and I'm into an arcane mix of Alternative Rock(Pumpkins, Muse), Goth(Faith and the Muse, Bauhaus, Switchblade Symphony), Metal(the usual), and a little Prog(Pink Floyd, the Yes, Dream Theater).

jezza

Im called a goth just because of my hair or eyemake up. I love rap music and Im bubbly so Im not really a goth... just labelled

Rozie

Well, plenty of goths are bubbly... most real goths aren't just woe-is-me folks and if they are they probably have a reason.

simu

Rozie wrote:

I'm amazed at how few goths there are in Ireland, at least real ones and not Mansonites and Korn Kiddies.

There's plenty in England. I personally know about 3 or 4 "proper" goths, at most. I've seen a couple in Cork when I was down there, and the odd one in Dublin, but you can't always tell by looks.

It's rather annoying, as NOBODY knows a large portion of the music I'm into. It's a bitch. I'd love to have someone to talk about especially because I can't really much with my bandmate, he doesn't appreciate that kind of thing.

I think in general in Ireland we have very few interesting diversities compared to what I've seen in other countries... oh well

Forget about how people look. Most people who dress in the Goth style in Cork will know nothing about real Gothic music whilst some people who wear more colourful stuff might.

SpAcEd OuT

its a good thing there are so few goths in ireland,goths are bad for society

(let the argument begin)

Rozie

I'm actually half judging on that... the ones that aren't just plain black :P

its a good thing there are so few goths in ireland,goths are bad for society

Uh, why exactly? And don't troll. Saying "let the argument begin" just makes it OBVIOUS you're trying to troll.

jezza

Rozie wrote:

Well, plenty of goths are bubbly... most real goths aren't just woe-is-me folks and if they are they probably have a reason.

well im blonde and just because i put a mad colour in my hair with blonde and go mad with eyeliner.. that alledglly makes me a goth. Im not. Im just labelled.

Tar.Aldarion

what makes somebody a goth?i like most of those bands,wear black lol and have 'a fascination with darkness, as in the dark side of everything, death, victorian arts, romanticism, horror, etc etc'
but i wouldnt consider myself said goth.

Flukey

I was in Manchester a few weeks ago and there were a lot there. There was also a punk exhibition in a public building there, and there was a big congregation of goths and punks outside it. You don't see so many here. A lot of them look terrible or ridiculous. It is often a pity as some of the female goths are not bad looking, and would look even better if they would remove all that dark makeup. Still, it is their own choice and if that is the way they want to look, then that is what they will and can do.

simu

That culture of sub groups of people with similar styles of dress and taste in music seems to more engrained in English culture than over here. After all, England is where Goths, Punks, Mods etc were born so it's not surprising that there are more representatives of such groups over there.

Gareth2303

I really am against the whole "Depression" from Gothism but i have many friends who are into those bands who i wouldn't consider to be goths, they don't dress "noir" but love "that" music...

(Only problem i have is that i hate the music...I find it to be just pointless roaring...I am wrong in many cases but any so called goths i've chatted too love that scene.)

Talliesin

Sparky_S wrote:

have you been to central bank recently?

She said "proper goths". Or as someone I know recently put it, "in my day Goth was all cheap snakebite and nasty speed. It all seems to have changed since, and I don't really understand it anymore."

Tar.Aldarion

there are no goths at the central bank,there are some people who like good music though...:)

Nevyn

http://dominion.gothic.ie/
http://www.photobox.ie/album/1572252.

there are all sorts of people there
http://www.photobox.ie/shared/photo.html?c_album=1461680&photo=24552710&page=&group=

Tusky

Goths are just nerds with make up.

r@t

hmmmmm rather odd comment there tusky. im not a goth myself but none that i know are "nerds" if by that you mean there not in with the "cool" extermely vain and shallow group you hit the nail on the head though.

Sparky

i thought nerds wore make up anyway

Kare Bear

And a rather gay taste in music.:p

Talliesin

Thaed wrote:

http://dominion.gothic.ie/
http://www.photobox.ie/album/1572252.

there are all sorts of people there
http://www.photobox.ie/shared/photo.html?c_album=1461680&photo=24552710&page=&group=

Unlike the last time Thaed posted pictures of goth girls in this forum, those links are all worksafe. They have clothes on and everything.

Nevyn

Stfu

Karl Hungus

I used to go out to Dominion when I was in dublin the odd time, but these days I've drifted quite far from the whole goth scene. I still dig the Fields Of The Nephilim mind you.

Tar.Aldarion

Easily_Irritated

Im not a goth, but I went out with a guy for two years who was. From my experience goths make good boyfriends he was kind, accepting and very caring [which are now qualities I attribute to goths ]

He was welsh, tho so that might not count in this thread! Hmmm

Rozie

Gareth2303 wrote:

I really am against the whole "Depression" from Gothism but i have many friends who are into those bands who i wouldn't consider to be goths, they don't dress "noir" but love "that" music...

(Only problem i have is that i hate the music...I find it to be just pointless roaring...I am wrong in many cases but any so called goths i've chatted too love that scene.)

I'm talking about real goth music.

And by real goths I mean goths that at least somewhat follow the original scene that was called "Goth", being into the Cure and Joy Division and bands like that at least.

I don't know many goth bands that "roar", though I guess Peter Murphy did have the odd fit. I think you're mistaking it for death metal, or something.

I used to think that goths would listen to lots of that stuff, but then common sense kicked in and I thought they must listen to something else. Goth can be quite a fragile, frilly, beautiful thing, it doesn't really fit in well with a lot of death metal imagery.

I'm mainly looking for people with similiar taste in music. Though I find my favourite band (Switchblade Symphony) aren't so liked by a lot of the goths online, which is a shame. It's hard to find someone that really loves them.

And Goth girls are usually quite pretty. They're often actually a little chubbier as they don't obsess over having a stick thin figure like some people do, but they're generally all shapes and sizes.

Goth is a pretty broad thing, really, but it still does follow from the actualy scene or music. There are very few goths true to the original sense.

Many of the "goths" you see nowadays are goths in the same way that Good Charlotte fans are Punks.

They often suck at choice of makeup and dress rather crappily, you'll get one or two who actually bought a decent dress or other such decent outfit and the rest are in baggy pants and slipknot hoodies.

Rozie

Flukey wrote:

I was in Manchester a few weeks ago and there were a lot there. There was also a punk exhibition in a public building there, and there was a big congregation of goths and punks outside it. You don't see so many here. A lot of them look terrible or ridiculous. It is often a pity as some of the female goths are not bad looking, and would look even better if they would remove all that dark makeup. Still, it is their own choice and if that is the way they want to look, then that is what they will and can do.

What is your ideal of a good looking bird, then?

I find too many people look too much the same. Even if you're going along an existing style, it's still one that offers a bit more creativity than "normal"....

FranknFurter

I love this.....

In my day (god i feel old), it was all about bands like, the cure, pixies, bahaus, pumpkins, Sisters of mercy, virgin prunes etc etc, all stuff i still listen to.

Im 28 now (shudder) and the only way iv changed in that regard is eyeliner, pancake, black nailpolish etc, dont look as good on me so i stopped wearing them.

(This is a guy who spent a good few years while living in UK, mainly socialising with bob an mary, sim etc btw lol)

b

Tusky

FranknFurter wrote:

I love this.....

In my day (god i feel old), it was all about bands like, the cure, pixies, bahaus, pumpkins, Sisters of mercy, virgin prunes etc etc, all stuff i still listen to.

Im 28 now (shudder) and the only way iv changed in that regard is eyeliner, pancake, black nailpolish etc, dont look as good on me so i stopped wearing them.

(This is a guy who spent a good few years while living in UK, mainly socialising with bob an mary, sim etc btw lol)

b

Pixies were never considered a goth band...

r@t wrote:

hmmmmm rather odd comment there tusky. im not a goth myself but none that i know are "nerds" if by that you mean there not in with the "cool" extermely vain and shallow group you hit the nail on the head though.

no, the comment does exactly what it says on the tin. In my experience goths are very similar to nerdy types...except they wear makeup. Aot of nerds even listen to that type of music.

Tar.Aldarion

what's a nerd?

RobertFoster

Talliesin wrote:

Unlike the last time Thaed posted pictures of goth girls in this forum, those links are all worksafe. They have clothes on and everything.

Pity.

D-Generate

Wooooooooooaahhhhhhhh we fade to grey.

Rozie

Aww Guys with eyeliner are hot. How do you dress now?

Since we're on the subject of goths, I don't like when people(usually internet-Goths) "hang up the fishnets", so to speak, not because, unlike some valid scenarios they no longer suit them, but as part of some kind of "calming down", and claim they're still really different on the inside. I've seen far too many goths like that online, who are really just stuck up bastards. I've gotten assaulted for having punkish ideals of "you know, maybe if you actually took a stance on something" - "Shut up! You can't do that when you have three wives, twelve kids and a mortage on a golden toilet!" "You have that?" "I intend to!"

This, lately, has made me loose all faith in the human race. Corporate goths/punks are just ultimately the greatest social retard possible. Fair enough, you have to work, you have to earn money, wow, so does nearly everyone, but that doesn't mean you have to act like a stuck up twat to anyone who dare suggest that some things like the right to express yourself (to a decent degree of course) are worth fighting for.

I'm serious, but this really does depress me. This is what makes me think life really isn't ****ing worth living, when nobody gives a rats ass about individuality anymore, rebellion is oh so 1960s and out of date. People keep claiming to be really the same person they were, they've just "calmed down" in how they act, how the hell is that even possible?

It's a whole load of bull****. I'll be dying my hair bright red for as long as I see fit. If it's trouble getting a job, **** it, I'll wear a black wig for the interview, or a really temporary colour to calm it down. Why doesn't anyone ever think of that? No I HAVE to cut and dye my hair now to get a job. The most I'm doing is letting it fade. I see no reason to "Calm down". I see no reason to , and pretend like the outside doesn't matter. Of course there are times when the oustide matters. JUDGING someone on their looks is shallow, but using them to express yourself is anything but. Your looks don't necessarily mean you're one way or the other, but if you claim to be anti-conformist and don't bother fighting for your right not to conform because you don't *need* to dress differently, you're a useless hypocrite.

Public relations jobs, where you have to have a certain image. It's somewhat understandable then, but at the same time, it's very elitist to "moderate" it. Dress code is fine, but if you're forcing things like hair colour, that's more permanent. Really, everyone's seen it before. If you tie it back, you can still look professional with pink or purple hair. If you gel it down, it darkens it so it has a less intense look. Or again, worse comes to worse, wear a wig.
It amazes me how judgemental employers are with things like that. People don't consider little things like that important enough to fight for. This bemuses me.
If someone is qualified, they're qualified. If they have a crazy appearance, chances are, they're a strong, independant, motivated individual. Too much prejudice.

Things this big have to be introduced gradually... which seems to be an excuse for people to do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AT ALL.

These are very often the people that end up being mods on goth messageboards and IRC channels, and punish people for being so "Immature" as to disagree with them.

It's pathetic. Somethings are more important in life than money and mainstream acceptance. I've seen the same thing from supposed "Punks" and "Wilboy" guitarists, and just supposed "individuals" and "free thinkers" in general. A keyboardist guy I know cut off his long hair JUST FOR THE SAKE OF BEING MORE CORPORATE. He already HAD his job. Of course, he's happy where he is, blah blah blah, it's pretty obvious he missed the "Old" days.
I'm tired of that kind of thing.
I'm beginning to think I'm crazy now, because nobody ever seems to agree with me on this, even though it's plainly blatant. I think it's just people are too scared to do any different, or to grasp what they're becoming. So they just keep telling themselves otherwise.

The worst case I've seen were some capitalist worshipping transsexuals who believe that employers should have every right not to hire transsexuals because it's not profitable, and that if the US had strong unions and workers rights like in the EU, it would be very bad indeed. That's insane. It's almost like a cult, or fundie christianity, you must worship the god and sacrifice for the "greater good".
I hate to discriminate myself, but bloody yanks.

I just wish "inidividual" people, for once, would say "Hey, maybe I SHOULD take a stance for this." When will they learn that things HAPPEN gradually, but are done SUDDENLY? Gradually doesn't happen by "Slowly" introducing little bits and pieces you'll never expand upon. It happens by real people working hard for something that MATTERS, or even just taking a single stance. DOING something.

In the 60s, if you did, you were cool, you helped make progession. If you do something today, you're a ****ing whiner. Everything's whining. You have a problem, it's whining. What a wonderful way for the world to protect itself, to demean anyone that disagrees with it as somehow an irritance. It reminds me of the kind of practice religious extemists use to denounce anyone different to them.

Sorry for the rant, I just know a lot of very pathetic people. IRC goths generally aren't very nice or interesting people. Well, that's IRC for you I guess.

FranknFurter

Yeah, im a gay, wiccan, goth who uses an electric wheelchair, smokes and has regular sex with my bf of 6 years, nevermind being "out" since the age of 10.......
I guess that passes for "fitting in", or "hanging up the fishnets" in your opinion. Maybe, just maybe you might like to think about how quickly *you* jump to conclusions?

Rozie

It wasn't directed at you, re-read

PiE

You need to relax and not worry about what other people do with their lives.

Rozie

PiE wrote:

You need to relax and not worry about what other people do with their lives.

No, that's exactly what nobody needs to do. Nobody is going to speak out against it.

FranknFurter

It wasn't directed at you, except maybe as a warning. re-read

"i think i'm old and i'm in pain" you said
"and it's all running out like it's the end of the
world" you said "and it's so cold it's like the
cold if you were dead" and then you smiled for
a second."

Nah, warnings & orders never did sit well with me " "

Nitey nite

PiE

Rozie wrote:

No, that's exactly what nobody needs to do. Nobody is going to speak out against it.

'Speak out' against what exactly? I thought this thread was about goths and how they abandon the lifestyle once they hit a certain age? That's what I'm replying to. And yes, in that regard you do need to stop worrying about it; you may very well feel the same way when you're in your mid/late 20's.

If, in fact, the thread isn't about any of that, I'll ask again: what issues in particular are you speaking out against?

Sarky

I don't need eyeliner. I have FABULOUS eyelashes.

Deadwing

jezza wrote:

well im blonde and just because i put a mad colour in my hair with blonde and go mad with eyeliner.. that alledglly makes me a goth. Im not. Im just labelled.

A/S/L????
heh...sorry, ive got a 'weird coloured hair' fetish..lol
but eh yeah, on topic, ive had a few people say i seemed kinda goth, i dont dress goth at all tho, i just like some of the music, (joy division are one of my all time greatest bands). I think dresing a particular way like the temple bar kiddies do to fit in with an image is just sad, i can listen to goth music and not have to wear a trench coat, eyeliner, or new rocks (tho i do have a pair of them ). When you do dress up youre just helping people put a label on you, i prefer to dress how i want to, not how other people do so i can fit in with them

Nevyn

Sarky wrote:

I don't need eyeliner. I have FABULOUS eyelashes.

That is mascara dear you are thinking of not eyeliner.

Peoples lives to move on and really goth atire takes too long,
once you have kids never mind them never having most things in a decent size
and velvet and black and kids stickie fingers dont mix.
But the atitude and how you view the world never changes.

Yes mere reminants of what was the scene have mutated
and it is far to darkwave for my personal liking
and there are so many kids that dont even know
who the hell Suixie and the Banshees are,
as well as those in the scene who didnt die young
now dispair of listening to the same stuff that the did 10 years ago :rolleyes: .
So much for timeless, endless and eternal for that lot.

Deadwing

Thaed wrote:

who the hell Suixie and the Banshees are,
.

thats SOUIXIE* and the banshees..*flicks fringe out of eyes* god im so much more goth than you...

*may or may not be the correct spelling

Sarky

Thaed wrote:

That is mascara dear you are thinking of not eyeliner.

Proof I'm not a stupid whiny goth.

Talliesin

I don't need mascara. I have FABULOUS eyelashes.

Deadwing wrote:

Thaed wrote:

who the hell Suixie and the Banshees are,
.

thats SOUIXIE* and the banshees..*flicks fringe out of eyes* god im so much more goth than you...

*may or may not be the correct spelling

Ahem, Siouxsie.

And then we have people talking about The Cure as "real" goth. They were never goth, they were cousins so to speak, the fandom overlapped and they were an influence, but not goth.

Deadwing

Talliesin wrote:

Ahem, Siouxsie.

ahem

Deadwing wrote:

*may or may not be correct spelling

:rolleyes:

Talliesin

RobertFoster wrote:

Talliesin wrote:

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Pity.

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1huge1

really because i seem to see them everywere here in limercik city

weemcd

http://img310.imageshack.us/img310/1319/angst8fe.jpg

dam you, everytime for not allowing img tags on ah. That makes me look like that guy^

Bottle_of_Smoke

Rozie wrote:

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And Goth girls are usually quite pretty. They're often actually a little chubbier as they don't obsess over having a stick thin figure like some people do, but they're generally all shapes and sizes.

Sorry if it seems like I'm following you around boards but good god i can't help but reply to your utter stupidity!

Now unless you can find some scientific evidence that prove gothic music attracts "pretty people" what you just said is utter bull$hit

People are pretty
People are ugly
People are Chubby
People are stick insects

Although I usually find the goth look suits most girls it can't change how pretty they are! I can't believe you posted that!