Barcelona Bus Syndrome.

MorningStar · 08-07-2005 12:26PM

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morlan · 08-07-2005 12:47PM

You must remember that Spain has a far larger population than Ireland and therefore their cities are designed to cope with large crowds of people. Look and Barcelona and Madrid, they're footpaths tend to be twice as wide and not to mention the countless communal squares and plazas.. Dublin is just a small provintial town compared to many Spanish cities and it lacks the capacity for dense crowds. We also tend not to hang around outside because of the ****e weather.

Also, due to our small population, the Irish tend to have a lot more personal space compared to other large European cities. We are all quite reserved and polite, we automatically say 'Sorry' if we touch off each other in the slightest. The Spanish are used to being crammed together - if you need to get by you just push and shove!

Spicy Lauren · 08-07-2005 12:58PM

Lex_Diamonds wrote:

There is nothing wrong with these people! Heaven ****ing forbid if they speak above wisper level on public transport, and heaven forbid if they gather in *gasp*, GROUPS!

True.
I find Irish slappers much more annoying, with their high pitched voices and their complete lack of class and intelligence.

Eoin · 08-07-2005 02:13PM

Lex_Diamonds wrote:

Jesus h christ. The Irish really are a bunch of miserable ****ing ***** arent they?

The most unwelcoming, begrudging, arseholish bunch in the world.

Every ****ing year this same **** comes up, people moaning about Spanish students. There is nothing wrong with these people! Heaven ****ing forbid if they speak above wisper level on public transport, and heaven forbid if they gather in *gasp*, GROUPS! Dublin is a tiny little town, alot of people who are friends and want to stay together on holiday will sadly block it up a bit!

Can anyone for just five minutes have a little patience and realise that these people enjoy coming here and also put money into the economy? They harm noone, unlike our indigenous population, and the women are complete rides half the time!

The idea of the Irish as a welcoming race is so ****ing wide of the mark, its unreal.

Well said (to Karl Hungus as well - sign me up for that newsletter too).

Incidentally, in a poll of a load of countries last year on who their favourite tourists are, Ireland came 2nd last as our behaviour abroad is generally seen as very annoying to the locals - we tend to behave much worse than other nationalities when abroad, I would say much worse than the foreign students do over here.

The Spanish have very different manners to the Irish & British people. When we say "thank you", "please", "excuse me" etc and they don't, it is not because they are rude, it is just because their culture doesn't require it. Countries like Japan are even more polite than Ireland, so we are probably seen as very rude to them when we are over there.

The Spanish students bring in MASSIVE amounts of money to our economy every year, and as they normally stay with host families this money goes directly to every day people & families, not just to big corporations.

As for the comments about them sticking together - don't try and tell me that Irish students would behave any different if sent in a group to Spain.

MorningStar · 08-07-2005 02:27PM

eoin_s wrote:

Well said (to Karl Hungus as well - sign me up for that newsletter too).

Incidentally, in a poll of a load of countries last year on who their favourite tourists are, Ireland came 2nd last as our behaviour abroad is generally seen as very annoying to the locals - we tend to behave much worse than other nationalities when abroad, I would say much worse than the foreign students do over here.

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Are you sure we were the 2nd worse? I know there was a survey recently and we weren't 2nd worst or even in the bottom ten. I know there was a survey taken in spanish resorts and Ireland was not looking good. Not 100% sure myself but you might have mixed it up. I know when I am away I don't want to be with a bunch of irish people and avoid them in general and I think that is how most irish people are on holiday IMHO.

Eoin · 08-07-2005 03:05PM

MorningStar wrote:

Are you sure we were the 2nd worse? I know there was a survey recently and we weren't 2nd worst or even in the bottom ten. I know there was a survey taken in spanish resorts and Ireland was not looking good. Not 100% sure myself but you might have mixed it up. I know when I am away I don't want to be with a bunch of irish people and avoid them in general and I think that is how most irish people are on holiday IMHO.

This was last year, so things may have changed but I am sure it was 2nd last (just ahead of the British). I think Germans were the most popular, because although they may not have been the life of the party, they are quiet, tidy and very polite.

I always cringe when I am abroad and see a bunch of micks taking the mick. They dominate every environment they are in, and can be quite intimidating to the locals.

keevita · 08-07-2005 03:09PM

Tiffany wrote:

Ironically, in Bray yesterday (swarming with them) I was walking along with a friend and as I was mentioning how they constantly block the paths, well you get the picture.... :rolleyes:

Still, it could be worse: Spanish skangers, anyone?

im living in barcelona at the moment, spanish skangers,well catalan ones anyway= v funny. they´re called nens. so their equivelant of ´storee bud?´ is ´que pasa neeeeeeeeeen?´ try saying that to the spanish students!

*Sassy* · 08-07-2005 03:14PM

morlan wrote:

You must remember that Spain has a far larger population than Ireland and therefore their cities are designed to cope with large crowds of people. Look and Barcelona and Madrid, they're footpaths tend to be twice as wide and not to mention the countless communal squares and plazas.. Dublin is just a small provintial town compared to many Spanish cities and it lacks the capacity for dense crowds. We also tend not to hang around outside because of the ****e weather.

Also, due to our small population, the Irish tend to have a lot more personal space compared to other large European cities. We are all quite reserved and polite, we automatically say 'Sorry' if we touch off each other in the slightest. The Spanish are used to being crammed together - if you need to get by you just push and shove!

Sorry, but that is just...... rubbish. Have you ever been in town on a Saturday? People would literally walk THROUGH you if they could get away with it. No one says sorry. Yeah Spain has a big population but the streets are no more or less crammed than they are here. And as for Spanish people being used to being crammed together and not minding their personal space as much, that is complete bullology!! They are just the same as us! Honestly, I don't know where people come up with these ideas. People in Spain might speak a different language but they are just the same as us (except for obvious cultural differences). Send a gang of students of any nationality anywhere and they will act similarly.

Kingp35 · 08-07-2005 03:40PM

eoin_s wrote:

Incidentally, in a poll of a load of countries last year on who their favourite tourists are, Ireland came 2nd last as our behaviour abroad is generally seen as very annoying to the locals - we tend to behave much worse than other nationalities when abroad, I would say much worse than the foreign students do over here.
As for the comments about them sticking together - don't try and tell me that Irish students would behave any different if sent in a group to Spain.

I refuse to believe anything like this until you post a source.

Anybody can pull "facts" out of their arse try proving them

MorningStar · 08-07-2005 03:42PM

*Sassy* wrote:

Sorry, but that is just...... rubbish. Have you ever been in town on a Saturday? People would literally walk THROUGH you if they could get away with it. No one says sorry. Yeah Spain has a big population but the streets are no more or less crammed than they are here. And as for Spanish people being used to being crammed together and not minding their personal space as much, that is complete bullology!! They are just the same as us! Honestly, I don't know where people come up with these ideas. People in Spain might speak a different language but they are just the same as us (except for obvious cultural differences). Send a gang of students of any nationality anywhere and they will act similarly.

Have you been in a Spanish City? Have you been in a Spanish appartment?
I find it hard to belive you have been if you don't see the differnce. Spanish people are certainly different to Irish people as can been see by out pub culture versus their cafe one. THey went through a devistating civil war more recently than us and have a few differnt mixed culture (Catalan etc..) from the same country. To say they are the same as us indicated you ignorance of history and present. THe obvious cultural difference include years of living in big cities with home density at a level we are no where near.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/geo_pop_den

115. Spain 78.43 people per sqkm

139. Ireland 52.74 people per sqkm

Big difference and that's just people not homes. OUr tallest building isn't even residential or close to some of their standard ones.
You don't know what you are talking about

*Sassy* · 08-07-2005 04:08PM

MorningStar wrote:

You don't know what you are talking about

Excuse me, I lived in Spain for a year and a half, in 3 different cities, WITH Spanish people. So don't try and tell me I don't know what I'm talking about please. Anyone can go and pull statistics off the internet. I fail to see how historical events affect peoples' perception of personal space. Anyway, you are obviously much more clued in than I am. I won't take up any more of your time with my 'ignorant' ramblings.

MorningStar · 08-07-2005 04:27PM

*Sassy* wrote:

I won't take up any more of your time with my 'ignorant' ramblings.

Good,I doubt you are telling the truth considering what you already said and the stats I have given also show otherwise. There isn't much manipulation on such straight stats like number of people versus amount of land. Instead of just giving your opinion you lambasted everyone else

*Sassy* · 08-07-2005 04:41PM

You doubt I'm telling the truth about what? The only reason I replied to this thread is because I actually do know a lot about Spain. Anyway, I don't see what your points have to do with the original issue. And where did I lambaste anyone? I simply pointed out that Irish people are just as unlikely to say sorry when bumping into someone in the street. How that has anything to do with the height of buildings and civil war I don't know. I did specify that apart from the obvious cultural differences (caused by things such as Franco's dictatorship) we are generally the same - as people.

Dyr · 08-07-2005 05:06PM

MorningStar wrote:

Good,I doubt you are telling the truth considering what you already said and the stats I have given also show otherwise. There isn't much manipulation on such straight stats like number of people versus amount of land. Instead of just giving your opinion you lambasted everyone else

great, your stats are rock solid. Way to go on the the stats. but good chap.

bottom line:

The sheer numbers of these kids, their inability to figure out that blocking streets and entrances is wrong makes them a nuisance. yis can whine about how terrible us irish are as well, and slappers and skangers and all that usual irrelevant guff just because you're amazed some irish people would dare to moan about anything other than each other but the fact stands.

Now you can argue that their nuiscance factor is due to a cultural misunderstanding, but does it take a degree in cultural studies to figure out that ignoring someone who's politley trying to squeeze past you is'nt the done thing? Does it take my bag having to used as a battering ram to navigate this culture clash?? yeah, usually it does. Cultural misunderstanding me arás

it's plain bad manners on a basic human level. Its has sweet FA to with culture, and even if it did, that's what they're over here for isnt it? To learn the language and culture of another country? so they might as well learn that that type of behaviour is a no-no.

*Sassy* · 08-07-2005 05:11PM

I agree. Nothing to do with culture (and the people to land ratio :rolleyes:). If you bang into someone in the street in Barcelona you'll know about it pretty quickly. Same as here. Kids will be kids and will not be on their best behaviour when unsupervised.

MorningStar · 09-07-2005 05:33PM

*Sassy* wrote:

And where did I lambaste anyone? I simply pointed out that Irish people are just as unlikely to say sorry when bumping into someone in the street.

*Sassy* wrote:

Sorry, but that is just...... rubbish

that is complete bullology!

Yes being very reasonable and respectfull of what others think. :rolleyes: You didn't point anything out you just said everybody else is wrong.

*Sassy* wrote:

Yeah Spain has a big population but the streets are no more or less crammed than they are here

You see that is your opinon and not supported by the facts. The streets are more crammed than here because there are more people per square foot. They have a huge appartment style life as so they are more accustomed to living close to each other. If you don't agree say why and don't just dismiss it.

*Sassy* wrote:

I did specify that apart from the obvious cultural differences (caused by things such as Franco's dictatorship) we are generally the same - as people.

I think one of the obvious cultural differences is the fact they aren't so bothered by personal space. So what you think is obvious seems strange to me and unstated. These are my opinions from my experiences you can disagree but you don't need to just say it's not true because you say so!

I saw groups of teenagers over there act exactly as they do here and people weren't bothered or surprised by it. So I don't think the spanish see it as rude I don't see irish teens act the same way all the time so I feel it is a cultural difference and I think people should be tolerant. I also think people should be polite and not dismiss opinon off hand

Wibbs · 09-07-2005 06:24PM

MorningStar wrote:

I think people should be tolerant. I also think people should be polite and not dismiss opinon off hand

... and pigs might fly.

Dyr · 09-07-2005 07:03PM

MorningStar wrote:

I also think people should be polite and not dismiss opinon off hand

MorningStar wrote:

You don't know what you are talking about

:rolleyes:

jonny68 · 09-07-2005 07:15PM

Flukey wrote:

Yes, it is early July and it has begun in earnest. You can be sitting quietly on a bus going somewhere and then suddenly they invade, dozens of them. You'd think you were on a bus in Barcelona! Yes folks, the foreign students have arrived and like flying ants, they are everywhere, Spanish, French, Italians etc.

They are there chatting away, noisy as can be. Then again, have you ever been on a bus with a gang of Irish teenagers? No real difference if we are honest, except for the language.

A few years ago a friend of mine, who is nun was on a bus. There was a gang of Italian students on it. A man, who was a bit unusual or had something wrong with him got on. The students started talking about him to each other. My friend, who had spent some time studying in Rome, had very good Italian and understood every word. She said nothing. Then, when it came to her stop she got up to get off. She turned to the students and in perfect Italian said to them that they should not be talking about people like that and that some Irish people did understand Italian! The shock of them being rumbled and the fact that it was by a nun would have been something!:o A real 'sock it to em' story!

Nice one

similar thing happened to us on a train one time,there was a group of Spanish students really loud (and scruffy as well :rolleyes: ) and there was a few of us drinking cans,anyway a mate of mine speaks very good Spanish and he whispered to us that the Spanish were slagging us about drinking (those lightweights never drink anyway :rolleyes: ) so with that we sat tight for a while when my mate suddendly jumps up and started shouting at them in Spanish,he said "not so smart now are you,you thought no Irish spoke your language you bunch of ****

they looked at him in amazement and moved down the carraige in silence as we jeered,result,mind you it could've been worse if we would've been nasty about it they would've got a slap for bad mouthing us when we were minding our own business..im not having a go at all of them.but quite a lot of them are ignorant fcuks,and fcukin noisy c unts as well

Dyr · 09-07-2005 07:22PM

dont be so intolerant, the "slagging" is merely a cultural misunderstanding which is a direct result to the annual rain fall on the plains in spain offset against GNP. I have some statistics here to prove it...

jonny68 · 09-07-2005 07:23PM

keevita wrote:

im living in barcelona at the moment, spanish skangers,well catalan ones anyway= v funny. they´re called nens. so their equivelant of ´storee bud?´ is ´que pasa neeeeeeeeeen?´ try saying that to the spanish students!

did you ride any of them yet?

MorningStar · 09-07-2005 07:23PM

Bambi wrote:

:rolleyes:

After the intial rant from sassy and on one direct point about population density not a point of opinion.

Not like you are making some great point taking things out of context and splicing them together.

jonny68 · 09-07-2005 07:24PM

Bambi wrote:

dont be so intolerant, the "slagging" is merely a cultural misunderstanding which is a direct result to the annual rain fall on the plains in spain offset against GNP. I have some statistics here to prove it...

what are you going on about :rolleyes:

MorningStar · 09-07-2005 07:30PM

jonny68 wrote:

what are you going on about :rolleyes:

Apparently Bambi is very witty

Barcelona Bus Syndrome.

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