Air force circling Dublin

zefer · 07-07-2005 04:17PM

Nuttzz wrote:

Common sense??? Me??? The terrorists attacked britian for their involvement in Iraq, perhaps I wasnt aware of the tens of thousands of Irish troops stationed in Baghdad, my apologies.

I saw them, I work out beside their Air Corps HQ so perhaps I am used to their commings and goings, but there no more than usual from my experience.

Cant believe someone would panic at the sight of our own defence forces in action....

Well, it aint a daily sight or sound in the middle of the city and especially with what happened this morning, it is bound to raise a few eyebrows...
they were flying fairly low to the ground

parsi · 07-07-2005 04:19PM

It's the National Day of Commemoration on Sunday - Royal Hospital Kilmainham.

loz · 07-07-2005 04:19PM

Megatron wrote:

The Irish do have jets.

The US donated 5 F-14's a few years ago , and i know they have a few as well that aren't wat you u call war planes.

LOL Laughable,

HE AIR CORPS MISSION

To contribute to the security of the State by providing for the Military Air Defence of its territorial integrity and to fulfill all roles assigned by Government through the deployment of a well motivated and effective Air Corps.

INTRODUCTION

The Air Corps is the Air Component of the Defence Forces and it has its legal basis in Para 18 of the Defence acts 1954 to 1987. Since its was formed in 1922 is has undergone many changes structurally and technologically. It is partly due to the requirement to stay abreast of the new technologies in aircraft, but also due to the increasing range and diversity of missions which the Air Corps is tasked.

Nuttzz · 07-07-2005 04:22PM

skywalker wrote:

Im not saying it would make sense for anyone to attack Ireland & also I dont have a clue what type of planes they are. I (& others) heard an abnormally low flying small type of aircraft (REALLY low) more than once today. I thought the worse for a few seconds. I dont think its that much of a leap.

fair enough, you must be easily unnerved then

derek27 · 07-07-2005 04:24PM

DonkeyStyle \o/ wrote:

Let me just answer my own question here...
http://www.military.ie/aircorps/aircraft.htm
Hmmm o_O

cheers for that link. i thought all we had were a few helicopters, hang gliders and parachutes. i'm actually quite impressed. informative.

LoneGunM@n · 07-07-2005 04:27PM

parsi wrote:

It's the National Day of Commemoration on Sunday - Royal Hospital Kilmainham.

Sean Moncrief reported earlier that it's in preparation for the National Day of Commemoration!!

red vex · 07-07-2005 04:30PM

We dont have any jets, we used to have but they were too old and were decommissioned.
Imagine....we have an air-force without any jets

Kingsize · 07-07-2005 04:33PM

check the website weve got 2 "luxury" ministerial transport jets!!

derek27 · 07-07-2005 04:37PM

red vex wrote:

We dont have any jets, we used to have but they were too old and were decommissioned.
Imagine....we have an air-force without any jets

would you be willing to pay the huge amount of extra tax to pay for them?
ireland is well taken care of by countries in the EU that do have them i feel.
any country amassing weapons and aircraft probably needs them. i dont think we do.

OLP · 07-07-2005 04:38PM

a neutral country that doesnt spend millions on expensive military equipment when other government branches are already underfunded

wheres the sense

Nuttzz · 07-07-2005 04:44PM

OLP wrote:

a neutral country that doesnt spend millions on expensive military equipment when other government branches are already underfunded

wheres the sense

What about Switzerland? the Irish Army recently bought Planes and armoured carriers from them.

ireland is well taken care of by countries in the EU that do have them i feel.
any country amassing weapons and aircraft probably needs them. i dont think we do.

why should other countries protect us? Because we are too lazy or unwilling to do it ourselves??

We dont have jets because the government dont feel the threat exists that we need them for. 9/11, todays bombing etc show that jets wouldnt help in any case. However if something does happen we cant start bitching and whining because our EU neighbours didnt look after us

monkeyfudge · 07-07-2005 04:48PM

Nuttzz wrote:

What about Switzerland? the Irish Army recently bought Planes and armoured carriers from them.

Did they buy any of their knives?

Megatron · 07-07-2005 04:50PM

monkeyfudge wrote:

Did they buy any of their knives?

WOW , knives that turn into Planes and personal carriers :eek: :eek:

james bond is f00ked now ';P

and god knows what mcguyver could make using those knives

stevemac · 07-07-2005 04:50PM

we did order new planes last year i think, but i didn't htink we were getting them for a while

derek27 · 07-07-2005 04:51PM

Nuttzz wrote:

What about Switzerland? the Irish Army recently bought Planes and armoured carriers from them.

why should other countries protect us? Because we are too lazy or unwilling to do it ourselves??

We dont have jets because the government dont feel the threat exists that we need them for. 9/11, todays bombing etc show that jets would help in any case. However if something does happen we cant start bitching and whining because our EU neighbours didnt look after us

remember that ireland is a constituent country of a united europe (which has the potential to be one of the world superpowers with regard to military capability and personnel) that work together maintain civilised social, economical and international relations. so thats almost like saying why would the USAF bother to defend one of its states under attack.

dearg_doom · 07-07-2005 04:52PM

derek27 wrote:

would you be willing to pay the huge amount of extra tax to pay for them?
ireland is well taken care of by countries in the EU that do have them i feel.
any country amassing weapons and aircraft probably needs them. i dont think we do.

That is the type of point the Government bean counters make, but as has been said, it's not a very responsible one. You might even say it's lazy.

Sweden is a neutral, yet it manufactures it's own warplanes!

Austria, Portugal, Netherlands, Belgium all have modern airforces complete with modern fighters.

Even if cost was an issue, we could have bought some of the ex-Russian fighters/support planes left in the former USSR in the mid-90's for pittance which would have been modern and cheap.

monkeyfudge · 07-07-2005 04:54PM

Megatron wrote:

WOW , knives that turn into Planes and personal carriers :eek: :eek:

I don't know about that. But they might have a spork or one of those tools for getting tiny stones out of a horses hooves.

civdef · 07-07-2005 04:56PM

we did order new planes last year i think, but i didn't htink we were getting them for a while

The planes in question are the subject of this thread.

Nuttzz · 07-07-2005 04:58PM

derek27 wrote:

remember that ireland is a constituent country of a united europe (which has the potential to be one of the world superpowers with regard to military capability and personnel) that work together maintain civilised social, economical and international relations. so thats almost like saying why would the USAF bother to defend one of its states under attack.

mmmm interesting, I remember a big hissy begin thrown before the first Nice treaty vote because of fears that we would become part of an EU military block, hence the seville declaration after the first vote failed, part of which says "Ireland is not party to any mutual defence commitment" so why would they protect us????

Downtime · 07-07-2005 04:59PM

[font=Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif]Planes over Dublin not linked to attacks - Army [/font]

http://home.eircom.net/content/irelandcom/breaking/5878714?view=Eircomnet

is_that_so · 07-07-2005 05:01PM

Downtime wrote:

[font=Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif]Planes over Dublin not linked to attacks - Army [/font]

http://home.eircom.net/content/irelandcom/breaking/5878714?view=Eircomnet

Excellent

Sleipnir · 07-07-2005 05:02PM

dearg_doom wrote:

That is the type of point the Government bean counters make, but as has been said, it's not a very responsible one. You might even say it's lazy.

Sweden is a neutral, yet it manufactures it's own warplanes!

Austria, Portugal, Netherlands, Belgium all have modern airforces complete with modern fighters.

Even if cost was an issue, we could have bought some of the ex-Russian fighters/support planes left in the former USSR in the mid-90's for pittance which would have been modern and cheap.

It's not like you just pay for the planes, have them delivered and then fly about the place.
There's also the cost of;
training
ground crew
spare parts
weapons systems
upgrades

etc etc.
We just would NEVER use them. Name one instance in the past 50 years of irish history where a fighter/interceptor/bomber would have neccessary?
All of the countries you've mentioned have been active in wars in the past, Ireland has not, nor will we be.
We are a neutral country therefore a fleet of modern jets is laughably unnecessary.

So we could have bought russian jets, what the hell would we be doing with them? Defense? Against who?

ixoy · 07-07-2005 05:05PM

Downtime wrote:

[font=Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif]Planes over Dublin not linked to attacks - Army [/font]

http://home.eircom.net/content/irelandcom/breaking/5878714?view=Eircomnet

As we all knew but still quite moronic not to cancel the practice in light of the scare-mongering they'd cause.

Third_Echelon · 07-07-2005 05:07PM

I work in Citywest, which is across the road from Baldonnel and they've been 'practising' all week... pain in the @rse to be honest.

I was on the phone with a client and he asked me if we were being attacked by fighter planes

He was german... I was very tempted to say "sh1t... its the germans"

Riamfada · 07-07-2005 05:12PM

Third_Echelon wrote:

He was german... I was very tempted to say "sh1t... its the germans"

Ha . Quality. What is it with this country? Terrorist Attack across the sea and out ( entire ) fighter airforce is doing low runs over the city? Wtf?Army Might as well Shout " RUN RUN THEY'R COMING " on Grafton Street. Then say. "HA GOT YA!!" . Idiotic country.

PS: Any terrorist wouldn't bother attacking this sh*t hole. Or perhaps the Lazy ones would. In any case it wouldnt matter.

Downtime · 07-07-2005 05:13PM

ixoy wrote:

As we all knew but still quite moronic not to cancel the practice in light of the scare-mongering they'd cause.

Too true. Typical stupidity.

Nuttzz · 07-07-2005 05:14PM

Sleipnir wrote:

Name one instance in the past 50 years of irish history where a fighter/interceptor/bomber would have neccessary?

We could have bombed the shankill in 74

Riamfada · 07-07-2005 05:17PM

Fianna Fail are staying one step of the terrorists. If they screw everything up ( M50, National Aquatic Center ect ect ) There is nothing for the terrorists to target or cause chaos. IT WOULDNT MAKE A LICK OF DIFFERENCE

zefer · 07-07-2005 05:39PM

Third_Echelon wrote:

I work in Citywest, which is across the road from Baldonnel and they've been 'practising' all week... pain in the @rse to be honest.

I was on the phone with a client and he asked me if we were being attacked by fighter planes

He was german... I was very tempted to say "sh1t... its the germans"

LMAO

jesus_thats_gre · 07-07-2005 07:31PM

Third_Echelon wrote:

I work in Citywest, which is across the road from Baldonnel and they've been 'practising' all week... pain in the @rse to be honest.

I was on the phone with a client and he asked me if we were being attacked by fighter planes

He was german... I was very tempted to say "sh1t... its the germans"

The should provide you with a noise cancelling head set for helpdesk jobs

Air force circling Dublin

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