Boy/girl racers what do you find acceptable?

MorningStar · 06-07-2005 10:50AM

Kiera wrote:

“people who mod their cars, speed and generally act like idiots” I mod my car so you’re calling me an idiot? ...?

Whoa, read what I said again. I didn't say people who mod their cars are idiots. I baically said maybe peope use the term "boy racer" for people who act like idiots with modded cars and not just people who mod their cars. PArt of the reason is they are so noticable was another point. I was actually defending your point of view! You can do what you like to your car once it and you are safe I have no problem. You are assuming I think you are an idiot and I am old fuddy dudy for making a joke? :rolleyes:

Kiera · 06-07-2005 10:59AM

Yes thats what it sounded like to me. You dont seem to have a solid point? Saying you have yet to see someone under 30 driving a mod car and driving responsibly? Let me come take you for a spin and prove to you that we're not all the same......

MorningStar · 06-07-2005 11:16AM

Kiera wrote:

Yes thats what it sounded like to me. You dont seem to have a solid point? Saying you have yet to see someone under 30 driving a mod car and driving responsibly? Let me come take you for a spin and prove to you that we're not all the same......

No thanks you can't control your temper as illistrated here I'd rather not be in car with such an agressive person.

I always made the point that they are probably not all the same but I have yet to see the resposible ones. You can't blame me for what I see blame the idots for tarnishing your mod image.

Nobody has a solid point here including you. Yours seems to be "we aren't all like that you are all just old"

Do you really think there is the same portion of speeding drivers in the mod community as in the general motorists? Maybe you should admitt there is a problem and distance yourself from the problem rather than say it doesn't exist. I saw the nationwide program and there were people acting like idiots. There are people in my area acting like idiots are you just going to deny they exist?
There are no figures and reports to get but it is know that more younger drivers die on the roads. As I already stated a boy racer knocked somebody down on Monday while showing off.

If you want to argue that the mod crowd has the same portion of bad drivers do so but don't deny what is a common sight on the streets.

I am trying to talk fairly and resonably to you can I get the same back please?

Kiera · 06-07-2005 11:24AM

No you condesending old twit. How dare you slate me! I have NEVER said all Boy racers are angels. Of course SOME of them drive like nuts but so do a lot of other drivers on the roads!! A boy racer knocked someone over on Monday? How about the gaurds who knocked over and killed that old lady in Clonee? Were they showing off too? I respect your points but i do not respect the fact that you are talking down to me!!!

MorningStar · 06-07-2005 11:39AM

Kiera wrote:

No you condesending old twit. How dare you slate me! I have NEVER said all Boy racers are angels. Of course SOME of them drive like nuts but so do a lot of other drivers on the roads!! A boy racer knocked someone over on Monday? How about the gaurds who knocked over and killed that old lady in Clonee? Were they showing off too? I respect your points but i do not respect the fact that you are talking down to me!!!

I have never insulted you yet you have insulted me. You really need to control your temper as seems to be a common problem with boy/girl racers in general. ( now that's codesending because you don't seem to understand what it means) How old do I need to be to not understand you ? 26? You just have a chip on your shoulder and blame the people who complain instead of looking in your own group.
The cops messed up and we will find out what happened. They could prove to be acting baddly but it probably unlikely they were trying to impress some old lady as the guys pulling donuts were apparently doing.

Kingsize · 06-07-2005 11:44AM

By admitting that you are a boy/girl racer you are subscribing to a stereotype.
not all people who are car enthusiasts/or people who modify their cars are idiot lawbreakers with no concern for pedestrians or other motorists.
but the phrase "boy racer" has become a popular one to describe someone who is.
Its like saying "im a chav but im not a lowlife theiveing burberry clad ratboy from a decrepit council estate"

the_syco · 06-07-2005 11:49AM

You do realise on Monday night people in a muppet mobile pulling donuts to impress some girls crashed into a person walking by

IMO, if you see someone doing donuts, you don't go too close to the car, as its spins around quite fast. Thus, it was both the muppets & the ped's fault.

Kingsize · 06-07-2005 11:54AM

i somehow think the judge in the court case would not see your point of view syco!! ;)its the peds fault that someone was behaving illegally on the road while this person was walking by???

AlienGav · 06-07-2005 12:05PM

Think it's something to do with the name we get...

I drive a slightly powerful/fast car, I'm a young male... I don't speed excessivly, but when i drive past someone I'm frowned upon and made feel like a scumbag tbh... :mad:

I'M NOT A BOY RACER! I'M AN ENTHUSIAST! :cool:

juno75 · 06-07-2005 12:10PM

Moved to Cork for a few months work. I got a gaff on washington street in Cork. Bad mistake.

All day and all night, up and down in there daft looking dinky cars, god knows what they think they look/sound like.
What I find worst is the noise pollution, these fekking exhaust systems are just a joke, sounds like an airplane going past the house every five seconds.
they should have to pay a noise tax for that sh1t man.
I have full double glazing but thats of no use. I have to leave the windows shut and wear headphones to watch TV or what ever.
They all hang out at esso at the bottom of the road and latly I have been devoloping fantasies of going down there with and UZI and a few petrol bombs.
These fuklkers have seriously dented the quality of my life in my apartment.

Now Im not anti car, I love good machinery and am a bit of an F1 nut but you dorks seriously need to cop on and stop invading public space as thats what yer doing and no wonder you get grief, you deserve every bit of it.

Ther is one prat in a Nissian Micra who is my no.1 object of hate, geeky little feck wit with this stoopid gas powerd gear change system. Have you no life and where are you going in such a hurry??? Around the block agian and agian and agian, slowly driving poor Juno postal :mad:

Rant Over,Phew, soz, I had this one building up for a few months.

Anyone know wher I can get on of those stinger things the fuzz use?

jimbling · 06-07-2005 12:12PM

its simple.....

bad driving = dangerous driving = car crashes

speeding does not necessarily mean bad driving.

morningstar..... I know plenty people who, like you, think that they are these great responsible drivers etc.... this is all based on the fact that they manage to obey the speed limits. I know nothing about you, so I won't try and judge whether your a good driver or not, but I will not assume that you are because you obey the speed limit.

I am 27, have been driving for 10 years.. have never had a crash. I break the speed limit almost every time i drive. This is not bad driving. I own a car that can handle speed. (I did not do this when I was driving my mothers car years ago)
I realise the law can not take into account everyone seperately so they place laws for the muppets who dont know what their car can do (and your deffinition of boy racers is in this - a punto done up to try and look like a sports car etc).

A punto driving down a main road doing 80mph is in no way the same as a subaru impreza wrx driving down the road at 80mph. In fact the impreza is probably safer doing 80 than the punto is doing 60.

I am not trying to argue either point... but sometimes when you see someone flying by you on a road... does not necessarily mean he/she is this crazy madman who can't drive.

The main point is.....

you argue about boy racers... and talk about under 25 etc etc.... the issue isnt the modding of the cars, or the loud music... or the speed... the issue is that most people dont have a bulls how to drive a car. This includes older people too... but obviously more so in young people. What this causes is that these guys see people in sports cars driving fast... make there cars look like a sports car... and then think they are driving a sports car, not understanding that it can't handle the road like a performance car.

so what we should be talking about is why hardly anybody in this damn country knows how to drive...

okay I have probably come accross very badly now.. but hey im trying...

Kingsize · 06-07-2005 12:28PM

jimbling, you have it by the balls there "hardly anybody in this damn country knows how to drive"
some old geezer dribbling down the road in his montego may be just as dangerous as some yougfella in a modded fiat cheekycunto speeding up the road but whos gonna draw the most attention/abuse ?

MorningStar · 06-07-2005 12:28PM

the_syco wrote:

IMO, if you see someone doing donuts, you don't go too close to the car, as its spins around quite fast. Thus, it was both the muppets & the ped's fault.

Not sure on all the details but here's what I heard the pedestrian were coming home from a night out crossing a car park towards a take away. A passanger in the car jumped back in they spotted the girls and proceeded to do a donut to start off but the car reversed into one of them knocking a wall down with the girl. They then drove off. The car was descriped as supped up

AlienGav wrote:

I drive a slightly powerful/fast car, I'm a young male... I don't speed excessivly, but when i drive past someone I'm frowned upon and made feel like a scumbag tbh...

I know what you mean I have got the "you are scum" look for things in my life while I haven't done anything.
But does you car sound loud, have you got music blaring and does the exceleration ability of your car easily noticed. Not amazing sins but it appears aggresive to other drivers. Plus a lot of people think the mear act of supping up your car is pathetic or common in the same way gold chains and track suits are viewed by some.
There is ignorance on both sides but if both sides considered the other it would be easier. I just wanted to find out what the boy racers think about the anti-social and dangerours behaviour attributed to them. Instead I got attcaked for saying that it happens at all and there is a connection to modding.

MorningStar · 06-07-2005 12:46PM

jimbling wrote:

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morningstar..... I know plenty people who, like you, think that they are these great responsible drivers etc.... this is all based on the fact that they manage to obey the speed limits. I know nothing about you, so I won't try and judge whether your a good driver or not, but I will not assume that you are because you obey the speed limit.

I am not trying to argue either point... but sometimes when you see someone flying by you on a road... does not necessarily mean he/she is this crazy madman who can't drive.

The main point is.....

you argue about boy racers...

Well you just proved you didn't read the thread. I don't drive!

The point of the thread was to find out why people are driving in the manner I mentioned. I used boy racers because they seem to be the particular problem I notice.

The fact some people judge certain cars as safer than another could actually be part of the problem. I hadn't mentioned it myself but it could be a valid point that certain drivers think their car is so good that it will be safe to drive at speed.

The real problem is lack of enforcement on the roads. If there were consequences to illegal behaviour of all sorts on the road deaths would be reduced. It applies to all road users including me, I do things illegally because I can and I feel it is safer due to the lack of enforcement.

clairey · 06-07-2005 01:43PM

juno75 wrote:

wear headphones to watch TV or what ever.
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hahah i think you may be slightly over exxagerating!!

Kingsize · 06-07-2005 02:02PM

i also wonder about the "road legality" of some modded cars what i mean is how the fukk do some of em get past the NCT?????
another point, some cars can handle speed better than others,some drivers will be more skilled than others but thats not much used to anyone if a pedestrian walks out in front of a speeding car -regardless of whether they have mis judged the speed of the car or even checked the road at all , by breaking the speed limit the driver is at fault.

juno75 · 06-07-2005 02:05PM

hahah i think you may be slightly over exxagerating!!

I wish!
If I dont wear cans then I have to have the speakers well up but you still get this low 'throb' as one of em drives past the window.

Its a combination of this with the frequency - every day and night till well into the wee hours that is basicaly like chinese water tourtre .

I had no reall feelings one way or the other regarding the whol 'racer' thing but now they deffinatly in my little red book. And thats seroius buisness.

IANOC · 06-07-2005 02:29PM

those making comments here aggressively towards "enthusiasts"
id like to see them do the same to the local joyriders who tear up and down in the estates in stolen cars

more like tut , tut , tut from behind the sitting room curtain

go back to watching coronation street lads :rolleyes:

ReefBreak · 06-07-2005 02:31PM

Boyracers are scumbags. End of story. They're the vermin of the road, with all the intelligence of a retarded rat. Note that the magazine is called Max Power, not Max MakeYourCarLookBetterWhileNotSpeeding. The idea that only a small percentage of boy racers drive too fast is complete and utter bollóx.

Kiera · 06-07-2005 02:35PM

Dont hold back ReefBeak, say whats on your mind!!

jimbling · 06-07-2005 02:36PM

MorningStar wrote:

The fact some people judge certain cars as safer than another could actually be part of the problem. I hadn't mentioned it myself but it could be a valid point that certain drivers think their car is so good that it will be safe to drive at speed.

Are you for real... are you saying that certain cars aren't safer than others.... jeez you really shouldn't be the one putting up this post, when you know nothing about it.

I drive a skoda octavia vRS... this car can do 150Mph... now I haven't done that speed but thats irrelevant. If I so wish I could take a back road corner going about 70Mph... due to the traction control / abs etc... again this is not relevant. (and I wouldnt do it due to irregularities on the other side of the corner... a cow, tractor, women walking a dog etc)

All I was doing was pointing out this major misconception that speeding is the cause of accidents. This is NOT the case. Going too fast for a particular situation is the cause of these accidents, as well as lack of observation.

In fact in my opinion lack of observation is the biggest cause of accidents on our roads. And I find that there is people who fall into this category from all walks of life. I saw this guy in an audi A4... 05... the other day, on the phone... and cut across three... THREE lanes on a roundabout, without an indicator, or a glance in my direction. I nearly crashed right into him. I was not speeding, but if my car did not have ability that it does then I would have went straight into the side of him.

Back to the lack of reading the thread. I have read the thread, and was going to post yesterday... but went on such a rant at peoples comments that I deleted it.... today I could not resist. I obv missed the fact that you dont drive... and if I had known that I would have been even less inclined..

jimbling · 06-07-2005 02:43PM

okay... i think what we need to do here is define what a boy racer is exactly...

is it someone who has a sporty car? is it a guy under 25 who has a sporty car? or is it anybody who buys a **** car and trys to make it look good.
what... what is a boy racer?????

MorningStar · 06-07-2005 03:08PM

jimbling wrote:

Are you for real... are you saying that certain cars aren't safer than others.... jeez you really shouldn't be the one putting up this post, when you know nothing about it.

Yes I am for real. What are you saying all cars are as safe as each other?I don't know much about cars but some cars are safer than others. Breaking distances have imporved in modern cars over a car from the 50s etc... Car safey is a huge selling point. It has been discussed for a long time that if cars exploded on impact people would drive a lot more carefully. The fact people think they are safe in a car they will take more risks. THe same goes for people who think they are in control of a situation. What do you know that I don't.

jimbling wrote:

In fact in my opinion lack of observation is the biggest cause of accidents on our roads.

That's not "in fact" that's just your opinion. Somebody blairing music and speeding with friends in the car are they paying enough attention. Or if they are trying to look "cool" might not be obsering enough. While probably the cause of the accident observation isn't what kills it's the speed the vehical hits at. Speed prevents the driver from having the ability to overt an accident

jimbling wrote:

Back to the lack of reading the thread. I have read the thread, and was going to post yesterday... but went on such a rant at peoples comments that I deleted it.... today I could not resist. I obv missed the fact that you dont drive... and if I had known that I would have been even less inclined..

Why? Just because I cycle doesn't mean they are acting responsibly or that they aren't a bother me.

Do you drive fast becasue you observe so much? Is that why they do it?

GreeBo · 06-07-2005 03:09PM

jimbling wrote:

I drive a skoda octavia vRS... this car can do 150Mph...

Well done, I drive a McLaren F1, I can do 250 upsidedown on the ceiling.

jimbling wrote:

All I was doing was pointing out this major misconception that speeding is the cause of accidents. This is NOT the case. Going too fast for a particular situation is the cause of these accidents, as well as lack of observation.

an accident can happen for any number of reasons, the fact is that the lower your speed the smaller the accident.

Its your attitude that scares me. I wouldnt insure you to drive a bathtub.

Goldstein · 06-07-2005 03:48PM

Kiera wrote:

Are all Northsiders – knackers? Southsiders – Stuck up?? No but I bet u people who are calling all boy/girl racers dangerous think so, eh????

The term "boy/girl racer" is synonymous with irresponsible speeding. It's a derogative term not an expression of adulation. Therefore all boy/girl racers = dangerous drivers.

Now, some 17, 18, 19... year old that mods their car, however much of an affront to good taste it may be, is not necessarily a boy racer. It's the excessive speed and reckless driving in built up areas that pushes them into that category.

If they want to drive around looking and sounding like fools, (drag increasing spoilers, naff paint jobs, holes drilled in their exhausts, the awe inspiring "coolness" of a sub-woofer turned up full, et cetera) that's their prerogative. However speeding around towns and estates where loads of kids are playing is abhorrent behaviour. The only people that do that where I live are all 17-20 and all have "modded" cars. The behaviour of the drivers of these mobile clichés seems to vary little in the rest of the country.

Kiera · 06-07-2005 03:57PM

We’re going around in circles here. If I start replying back to you I’ll only be repeating myself! You know my views, which I’m not so sure you got the whole jist of but I’m not getting into it anymore. Let someone else take the stick……

jimbling · 06-07-2005 04:10PM

MorningStar wrote:

Yes I am for real. What are you saying all cars are as safe as each other?

you obv didnt read my post.... thats the opposite to what I was saying..

MorningStar wrote:

That's not "in fact" that's just your opinion.

lol... what I said was 'In fact in my opinion'... and it is a fact that that is my opinion.....

And i completely agree with you on what followed. I think a guy driving a car with blaring music... chatting with friends.... and generally not paying attention to the road is a mighty dangerous person. And I never disagreed with this..... this is why I wanted the definition of a boyracer....

MorningStar wrote:

While probably the cause of the accident observation isn't what kills it's the speed the vehical hits at. Speed prevents the driver from having the ability to overt an accident

Again I agree.... but some cars can overt a situation far more quickly than others... my car will be stopped dead from 60Mph... while a punto is still doing about 35mph....

but lets say I do take your point... by that note we should all be like you and nobody should drive.. then we couldn't crash... take it a bit further.... if nobody tried to cross a street then nobody will get knocked down.

MorningStar wrote:

Why? Just because I cycle doesn't mean they are acting responsibly or that they aren't a bother me.

No, and I shouldn't have made that remark. I comend you for cycling and wish more people did so... myself included. And I aslo understand that it is very dangerous when people are driving like lunatics.

My argument was not to defend the dangerous driving boy racers... as you say the guys who tear around estates etc.... or go 90 through a village where a kid could jump out from behind a car etc... I was just arguing the point that it is not 'Speed' that kills it is the misuse of speed.

MorningStar wrote:

Do you drive fast becasue you observe so much? Is that why they do it?

I drive fast in certain circumstances.... there is no reason why I do it. I drive in what I feel a safe manner... I realise that if caught I will suffer as it is against the law... but I disagree with a huge amount of laws that are around the place, as I am sure others do too.

MorningStar · 06-07-2005 04:14PM

Kiera wrote:

We’re going around in circles here. If I start replying back to you I’ll only be repeating myself! You know my views, which I’m not so sure you got the whole jist of but I’m not getting into it anymore. Let someone else take the stick……

Well why not give us some insight rather than repeating yourself. If you visit the other forum a lot and hang will people who mod you probably know at least one person who carries on as described.

Do the know the sound they make, both music and car, are an imposition on others? What do they think? Do they care etc...

Why do they drive so fast etc...

I know you aren't like that but do you know anybody like that? As you said I am an old twit and don't mix with such whiper snappers.

jimbling · 06-07-2005 04:17PM

GreeBo wrote:

Well done, I drive a McLaren F1, I can do 250 upsidedown on the ceiling.

an accident can happen for any number of reasons, the fact is that the lower your speed the smaller the accident.

Its your attitude that scares me. I wouldnt insure you to drive a bathtub.

this comment is even worth arguing with.......

Kiera · 06-07-2005 04:24PM

No I don’t know anyone like that. I have seen some younger guys in my area with supped up cars but I don’t know them therefore I don’t know why they act like muppets. My whole point was that I like modifed cars but yet I am not a girl racer.I am hardly going to go on that site and stick up a post "calling all muppets and dangerous drivers please reply" now am I? No one is going to admit to being mental on the roads for fear of being slated. How about going into the Motor Forum and asking someone in there, MorningStar?

Boy/girl racers what do you find acceptable?

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