Would you welcome Pope Benedict XV1 to Ireland?

Winters · 03-07-2005 01:43PM

Ray777 wrote:

Apology accepted. Let's say no more about it.

I think you might have misread my post. Try reading it again and send your answers on a envelope to me. You could win a life if you get it right.

Chinafoot · 03-07-2005 01:44PM

i agree with winters here, if you want a proper discussion on this then perhaps one of the religion forums would be best.

however, from reading your responses to those that disagree with you, you dont seem to want a "discussion" at all.

just because an opinion differs from your own does not make it "ignorant".

:rolleyes:

Ray777 · 03-07-2005 01:45PM

Winters wrote:

You could win a life if you get it right.

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rsynnott · 03-07-2005 01:50PM

axtradub12 wrote:

I'd welcome Him as a leader of 1.2billion Roman Catholics and a European Statesman. The Vatican is a political independent state,with its own flag and their own embassies worldwide.

So do about a hundred other undesirable nightmares of countries. That doesn't mean we should welcome Mugabe or Khomeini with open arms, you know.

Winters · 03-07-2005 01:50PM

Quoting my postcount makes me moist.

Kare Bear · 03-07-2005 01:54PM

This kind of fighting and arguing belongs in the politics forum tbh.

Yeah and when Bush came the government mobilised Irish TANKS to make sure he was protected from seeing any Irish protesters.

There is no irish tank units

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scuba steve · 03-07-2005 01:56PM

Id welcome him but that doesnt mean id go to see him where ever he is

DublinWriter · 03-07-2005 01:56PM

ColHol wrote:

Also, on the nazi point, he was FORCED into the Hitler boy youth, as all youths were at the time. He was forced into the army as was the fashion at the time.

So you're suggesting that he was just 'following orders'? Now where have I heard that before.

Speaking of Nuremburg *ahem*, there's no way he'd get the same turn out as JPII did. Ireland in 1979 was a different country, full-stop. Papa Ratzi would be lucky if he could fill Croker.

While it's on my mind, does anyone know if JPI was cremated only days after his death, or is it all part of the assasination-folklore-myth?

Ray777 · 03-07-2005 01:58PM

peachypants wrote:

just because an opinion differs from your own does not make it "ignorant".

Exactly. That's what I've been trying to tell those who dismiss the Catholic Church's teachings as being "ignorant". I'm glad somebody agrees with me

Chinafoot · 03-07-2005 02:09PM

Ray777 wrote:

I just have tolerance for the religious beliefs of others

Ray777 wrote:

What an ignorant post

oh the ironing! :rolleyes:

anyway this blatant troll is getting very very old now.

Winters · 03-07-2005 02:11PM

Yea .. it bores me now. I think i'll go have lunch.

I think you can use the same phrase we use with travellers in this situation.

"Its ok as long as it isint in my back garden"

Dinner · 03-07-2005 02:24PM

DublinWriter wrote:

So you're suggesting that he was just 'following orders'? Now where have I heard that before.

While it's on my mind, does anyone know if JPI was cremated only days after his death, or is it all part of the assasination-folklore-myth?

No, he wasnt quite following orders. Hew wasnt ask if he waanted to join Hitler Youth. He was told he would Join it or his family would be killed. Anyway, when it all started to go wrong for the Nazi's, he deserted. i.e. if he left his family wouldnt be persecuted because the Nazi's had bigger things to worry about than an AWOL AA gunner.

Also, JP1 wasnt cremeted, he's in a tomb alongside many other popes.

But back to the original question. Yes I would welcome him to Ireland. I would go and see, and I hope that he does come. I cant understand why all the hostility towards this Pope, his beliefs are pretty much the exact same to JP2.

saado · 03-07-2005 02:32PM

Yeah, but John Paul had the look of a kind old man. Seriously, why would anyone trust Pope Palpatine, he just looks evil, regardless of his true intentions. Gotta love first impressions :P

Ray777 · 03-07-2005 02:36PM

DublinWriter wrote:

So you're suggesting that he was just 'following orders'? Now where have I heard that before.

Ask yourself; For Joseph Ratzinger, back in 1940s Germany, what was the alternative to joining the German Army? Whatever about criticism of his present actions, trying to find a tenuous link between the Pope and Nazism is a bit desperate, to say the least.

peachypants wrote:

oh the ironing!

anyway this blatant troll is getting very very old now.

Calling somebody an 'evil homophobic nazi' because you happen to disagree with their opinion is ignorant. Why tolerate that? As is calling somebody a 'troll' (or anything else I've been called on this thread) because you disagree with their opinion.

the_syco · 03-07-2005 02:38PM

Ray777 wrote:

And the Pope is not and never has been a 'Nazi'.

I hate the f*cker, but do the maths, and you'll see that when he worked for the Nazi's, he was young enough, and deserted when he was about 18. At the time, the Nazi youth club was "the thing" to be in. Due to propaganda, they all thought it was fun and games, to the point that some of the Nazi boys didn't know how to kill, so he can't really be blamed for that. Also, he did leave, rather than fight.

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Fluke, I think said, something about the spread of aids being caused by "sleeping around". Totally untrue, cos if they were using protection, the AIDS wouldn't be spread. But thats againt the teachings. Another thing I'd like the pope to clear up are the deaths caused by "exorcisms" in SA. In the "modern world", we don't do "exorcisms", and we do use condoms.

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I wouldn't greet him. Heck, with the f*ckers saying "The Aids virus is roughly 450 times smaller than the spermatozoon. The spermatozoon can easily pass through the 'net' that is formed by the condom." (said by Vatican's most senior cardinals Alfonso Lopez Trujillo) why should I?

And the church ain't helping. Gordon Wambi, director of an Aids testing programme in Lwak, near Lake Victoria, told the programme that he could not distribute condoms because of opposition from the Catholic Church. "Some priests have even been saying that condoms are laced with HIV/Aids," he said.

"We are facing a global pandemic which has already killed more than 20 million people and currently affects around 42 million.

rsynnott · 03-07-2005 02:42PM

What horrifies me is that they are quite literally willing to let millions die rather than upset a minor dogmatic issue. That's right, all they have to do to SAVE MILLIONS OF LIVES is edit their propaganda a bit. But will they do it? Of course not; it might upset their European and American supporters, and they ARE the ones who supply the money, after all.

StupidLikeAFox · 03-07-2005 02:46PM

The WHO also attacked the Catholic Church's comments

I was thinking for a second, "wtf have an aging rock band got to do with this article?"

haha

Dinner · 03-07-2005 02:52PM

the_syco wrote:

I hate the f*cker, but do the maths, and you'll see that when he worked for the Nazi's, he was young enough, and deserted when he was about 18. At the time, the Nazi youth club was "the thing" to be in. Due to propaganda, they all thought it was fun and games, to the point that some of the Nazi boys didn't know how to kill, so he can't really be blamed for that. Also, he did leave, rather than fight.

It was not the in thing for him. He was brought up in a strongly anti Nazi house. His father hated the nazi's . He was made join or he and his family would be killed.

While I do agree that the condoms thing is outdated and would help if Africans were allowed to use them thats not something to make me Hate someone. For all the "evil" done by "spreading" aids by the church. They do a hell of a lot of good with missionary works. If you feel so strongly about your hatred for 1 man because of his disaproval of condoms, go to durex, order thousands and go to Africa and give them out.

the_syco · 03-07-2005 03:03PM

Arabel wrote:

If you feel so strongly about your hatred for 1 man because of his disaproval of condoms, go to durex, order thousands and go to Africa and give them out.

They wouldn't take them. Those who do give them out say that the church does its best to ensure no-one uses them, by spreading lies, and false infomation about them.

Ray777 · 03-07-2005 03:08PM

the_syco wrote:

They wouldn't take them. Those who do give them out say that the church does its best to ensure no-one uses them, by spreading lies, and false infomation about them.

Forget about the church - they wouldn't take them anyway. This is a continent, where far too many people think that sleeping with a virgin will cure them of AIDS. Blame the corrupt governments. It's less fashionable than blaming the church, but far more accurate.

Chinafoot · 03-07-2005 03:13PM

Ray777 wrote:

Calling somebody an 'evil homophobic nazi' because you happen to disagree with their opinion is ignorant. Why tolerate that? As is calling somebody a 'troll' (or anything else I've been called on this thread) because you disagree with their opinion.

i dont recall voicing any opinion on this matter. i have not agreed or disagreed with your opinion. i quite simply dont see the point in your posts when you are blatantly twisting what people say in attempts to get rise out of people.

as for the "evil homophobic nazi" comment.....thats the opinion of whichever poster it was. that is their belief and they are entitled to it, just as you are entitled to yours. the difference is mate, nobody else is declaring their "tolerance" on religious matters while simultaneously name-calling when people disagree.

axtradub12 · 03-07-2005 03:17PM

Simi wrote:

If by welcome you mean protest, then yes. Seriously, the pope must be held accountable for the spread of aids. The catholic church's discouragement of the use of condoms has cost millions of people their lives. And he's an evil homophobic nazi on top of that.

Welcome, not Protest.

kstanl · 03-07-2005 03:56PM

Ray777 wrote:

Forget about the church - they wouldn't take them anyway. This is a continent, where far too many people think that sleeping with a virgin will cure them of AIDS. Blame the corrupt governments. It's less fashionable than blaming the church, but far more accurate.

I agree that solely blaming the Catholic church for the spread of AIDS in Africa is ridiculous. Poverty is the problem, not the church. It's really that simple.

However, it is a sad fact that the church prays maliciously with its influence in poorer nations in order to strengthen its tenuous stranglehold. Just look at the state of Ireland a few decades ago. As far as I'm concerned, the church should be telling people how to have faith... not how to live and not getting any kind of mandates from governments. The Catholic church has proved over the centuries that they're totally out of touch with reality.

To be honest, I really couldn't care less what the church believes. I don't have to, and indeed I don't, subscribe to their views. However, what the church really needs to address is how the Vatican protected so many kiddy-fiddling priests. As far as I'm concerned, this is a much worse issue. If Pope Bendict brought attention to this and tried somehow to get it out in the open and punish those responsible, then my respect for the church would increase somewhat. At the moment though, I see them as an institution that advoctes paedophilia. Which is much worse than decrying the use of condoms.

axtradub12 · 03-07-2005 04:04PM

kstanl wrote:

I agree that solely blaming the Catholic church for the spread of AIDS in Africa is ridiculous. Poverty is the problem, not the church. It's really that simple.

However, it is a sad fact that the church prays maliciously with its influence in poorer nations in order to strengthen its tenuous stranglehold. Just look at the state of Ireland a few decades ago. As far as I'm concerned, the church should be telling people how to have faith... not how to live and not getting any kind of mandates from governments. The Catholic church has proved over the centuries that they're totally out of touch with reality.

To be honest, I really couldn't care less what the church believes. I don't have to, and indeed I don't, subscribe to their views. However, what the church really needs to address is how the Vatican protected so many kiddy-fiddling priests. As far as I'm concerned, this is a much worse issue. If Pope Bendict brought attention to this and tried somehow to get it out in the open and punish those responsible, then my respect for the church would increase somewhat. At the moment though, I see them as an institution that advoctes paedophilia. Which is much worse than decrying the use of condoms.

WOW.

the_syco · 03-07-2005 08:46PM

kstanl wrote:

I agree that solely blaming the Catholic church for the spread of AIDS in Africa is ridiculous. Poverty is the problem, not the church. It's really that simple.

Explains how poverty stops free condoms from being handed out, and how poverty causes nuns, priests, etc, to tell people that condoms are laced with HIV and AIDS. Explain why poverty causes cardinals, bishops, priests and nuns say that HIV can pass through the condom?

Rozie · 03-07-2005 08:54PM

Just one thing to nitpick;

I don't think you speak for the majority of people in this country. It's funny how your ethos of 'tolerance' doesn't extend towards tolerance of the religious beliefs of others.

This is the main argument homophobes actually use to defend their beliefs.

The problem being is that you can't expect to be tolerated when you yourself are so actively intolerant...

Trotter · 03-07-2005 09:34PM

Darth Bobo wrote:

Well thats just idiotic, of course bush knew the protestors were there, though its not like they were going to let them walk up to bush and give him a piece of their mind.

Protestors got global news coverage, it don't get any better than that.

The tanks were there for show, no one doubts that, if you got passed one of the security lines and attempted to head into the summit you would be shot if nessary to stop you. No matter what you say about a gunner from dublin, your just a potential terrorist to him who could be there to kill anyone at the summit, your idiotic if you think they won't fire.

Thats a larf, have you ever seen the protest that happen at a G8 summit? the security was justified, i mightn't agree with anything bush does, but while he's here we do have a duty to put whatever protection thats required in place for a summit of that nature.

I love how on boards, people think they have licence to call you an idiot or idiotic because you have an opinion.

For your info I know 3 or 4 of the fellas in the tanks! They knew they were there for show.. and.. the tanks wouldnt have been the ones firing at individual "terrorists". You cant see a fella dressed as a tree hugger with a banner and think... TERRORIST and blow him away with an anti tank weapon..

That sounds idiotic to me (but then again you're the security expert..or are you?) If anyone passed the tank cordon they would have been tackled by other layers of security. Anyone in the tanks knew they were there for show. They had no anti aircraft role.. that was looked after by the US or UK Air Force, I cant remember.

Im fully aware that security had to be huge, but that was over the top.
(Oops.. theres me again.. expressing an opinion... I forgot to ask you for permission Darth! I must be an idiot! Twice in one day! Imagine!)

Simi · 03-07-2005 09:43PM

The "evil homophbic nazi" comment was a joke to get my point across. Not an opinion. Damn people lighten up

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Trotter · 03-07-2005 09:43PM

Kare Bear wrote:

This kind of fighting and arguing belongs in the politics forum tbh.

There is no irish tank units .

We have scorpion tanks... they are part of the Irish Cavalry units.

Scorpion tanks on the Irish Army Website

Anyway.. getting back to the topic.. I think he'd be welcomed by a massive amount of people, but it would stir up a lot of tension. It'd be interesting to see how our Northern friends would react to a visit.

Id welcome it to be honest, but I hate how when a controversial figure arrives, the government clamp down on peaceful protesting... maybe under the disguise of security.

Le Rack · 03-07-2005 09:51PM

sorry to interupt but I wouldn't welcome that old fag

Would you welcome Pope Benedict XV1 to Ireland?

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