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Gangs around Tara Street station

  • 06-04-2005 01:46PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,757 ✭✭✭


    Has anybody ever noticed the gang of about 100 people that do be gathered under the bridge at Tara Street station at lunch time.
    They all look as if they haven't slept or washed in about a year, anybody know what they do be doing around there. It's a pretty discusting sight, a lot of them have young kids in prams.

    Anyway to my main point, I was walking past at lunch time today and there was a guy taking all of their passports off them, in broad daylight for anybody to see.

    I would guess that this was either something to do with drugs or money lending, he takes their identity off them until the get the money they owe him. I presume you need some sort of identification to collect social welfare.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,658 ✭✭✭✭The Sweeper


    Isn't there a drug rehab clinic around that area? I'd say you need ID to get your methodone...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,707 ✭✭✭skywalker


    MAJD has it in one. The rehab place is on pearce st. Id do your best to steer clear of them tbh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭Kingsize


    while there is a clinic nearby i somehow doubt that your average city centre junkie would have a passport
    theyre more interested in getting out of their heads than getting out of the country.besides which they'd probably have sold theIrs.
    I'd say they might be immigrant building workers waiting for their next job or something like that.
    if there is a large amount of swarthy scruffy blokes hanging around this is usually the case.
    there are however, always loads of rough looking alco's (prams & all)hanging around talbot /marlborough st junction every eveningat 6 (approx)?
    maybe it takes them 4 hours to stagger down talbot st pisiing in every available doorway as they go.

    of coourse :D they could be junkies selling stolen passports either!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭karlh


    theres a methadone clinic across the bridge on abbey st. they skulk around between there and Tara St. all day. it's a disgrace IMO. i've seen gardaí walk past people openly selling heroin there before.

    we really need a proper taskforce with balls and some physical protection to get the pushers, stick them in jail and get the zombies some real treatment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 705 ✭✭✭CTU_Agent


    Think this is the gang leader.......(file photo)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭Kingsize


    whats really disgusting is the fact that they drag the poor kids around with them, selfish *****.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 648 ✭✭✭landser


    Kingsize wrote:
    whats really disgusting is the fact that they drag the poor kids around with them, selfish *****.

    these people shouldn't be allowed to have/keep kids... there's a lot to be said for sterilisation.. having kids is not a right imo


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭Kingsize


    Didnt the indian government offer people a transistor radio in exchange for being sterilised (as a means of controlling the population)back in the 50's 60's ??

    Hmmm how many flash nokia phones with a ganja leaf cover & the crazy frog ringtone already installed would we have to give away to alleviate this particular problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,757 ✭✭✭masterK


    Kingsize wrote:
    while there is a clinic nearby i somehow doubt that your average city centre junkie would have a passport
    theyre more interested in getting out of their heads than getting out of the country.besides which they'd probably have sold theIrs.
    I'd say they might be immigrant building workers waiting for their next job or something like that.
    if there is a large amount of swarthy scruffy blokes hanging around this is usually the case.
    there are however, always loads of rough looking alco's (prams & all)hanging around talbot /marlborough st junction every eveningat 6 (approx)?
    maybe it takes them 4 hours to stagger down talbot st pisiing in every available doorway as they go.

    of coourse :D they could be junkies selling stolen passports either!!!

    They're most certainly not foreign workes waiting around, unless of course since they've arrived in Dublin they have learned to dress like your typical inner city junkie and have even developed the accent (all ri mister, u aven't got a smoke, ave ye!)

    The guy who took all their passports didn't look a whole lot better than them, I'd imagine they need some form of ID to either get their social welfare or methodone. They get them back when they pay the dealer what they owe him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,424 ✭✭✭joejoem


    yeah they are a pain in the hole, once or twice I've seen one or two of them showing off phones & camera's and things they have obviously just stolen. What I dont understand is why they are allowed to take up space there.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,115 ✭✭✭Pal


    Liberty Hall, Tara St Station and Custom House Quay are a disgrace.

    Gardai do nothing about the junkies


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    I hear Martin Scorcese has bought the rights to make a movie on these scumbags...

    "The Gangs Of Tara St Station"

    Its going to be a period drama depicting the struggle between the lower class chav filth gangs and the everyday joe gangs who actually works for a living rather than living off the dole and robbing people for an income, with the political backdrop of the ongoing battle between Berties boys and Enda "the butcher" kenny....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭Juan Pablo


    A reintroduction of a workhouse style system wherby the children can be educated, properly nourished and basically given a chance while the parents can work and be rehabilitated. Properly managed the idea could fund itself.

    I worked on Cathederal street (between Oconnell & Malborough) for 3 years
    (evening shift) and the junkies were everywhere. It saddens me to learn that its still the case 3 years on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    joejoem wrote:
    showing off phones & camera's and things they have obviously just stolen.
    Did you see these people stealing said items?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 185 ✭✭Romo


    For anyone seriously interested in how the opiates were gradually proscribed throughout the western world in the 20th century, I'd recommend the late Dr Norman Zindberg's book "Drug, Set and Setting". The guy was radical and called for the legalisation of heroin. He puts up a pretty strong argument, however. He did a lot of work in Vietnam, studying the addiction patterns of G.I.’s etc.

    Most people are surprised to learn that up to the 1960's a substantial proportion of heroin users/abusers were from the medical and pharmalogical professions.

    Book is online here.

    http://www.drugtext.org/library/books/zinberg2/default.htm


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,424 ✭✭✭joejoem


    seansouth wrote:
    Did you see these people stealing said items?


    No and dont try to get into this maybe he owns the €400 digital camera and he is just showing it to his nice friends. The guy had burst shoes a dingy dirty tracksuit a wooly "chav" jumper that had seen better days, and looked like he had been sleeping rough. He also looked out of his brain, this guy could not afford a camera, nor would he have the brain power to work one. Scum bags are a sub species in my opinion, they can moan all they like about how unfortunate they are, but I am the one left footing the bill for them paying out half my earnings to feed house and fund these dirtbags.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Unfortunately, despite your opinion, they are in fact not a sub species.

    They are human. Sure, they carry out many dispicable acts.

    But what is your solution?

    If you have the answer, then I would like to hear it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,514 ✭✭✭Dermo


    seansouth wrote:
    But what is your solution?

    public execution would probably go down well


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭NewFrockTuesday


    one chance at rehab. failure resulting in extermination.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,216 ✭✭✭✭monkeyfudge


    joejoem wrote:
    Scum bags are a sub species in my opinion, they can moan all they like about how unfortunate they are, but I am the one left footing the bill for them paying out half my earnings to feed house and fund these dirtbags.

    You're on 50% tax?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,767 ✭✭✭Infini


    Dermo wrote:
    public execution would probably go down well

    Bring on the Police Brutality againts those ****ing skanger junkies! :cool:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,424 ✭✭✭joejoem


    Monkey - Self employed.

    Solution to scumbag problem - build high walls around leitrim and a one way gate.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭Kingsize


    legal skag in return for mandatory sterilisation seems like a fair trade off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,331 ✭✭✭Keyzer


    Dermo wrote:
    public execution would probably go down well

    Agreed... round them all up and have gladatorial matches, let those scumbags wipe each other out...


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,405 ✭✭✭NewFrockTuesday


    legal skag in return for mandatory sterilisation seems like a fair trade off.

    they would still have to be housed and supported. this is just zombifying(??!!!) them even more. my solutions harsh but fair. yours is too soft.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭Kingsize


    these people will always want to get out of their heads thats why the wander the streets looking like shi-t & taking anything they can get their hands on.legal skag if distibuted properly would (theoretically) cut out the need to visit dealers & or steal to feed their habit.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,057 ✭✭✭TheMonster


    The Thai Prime Minister had the right idea - execute them all and blame it on rival gangs
    Thai Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra last week announced “victory” in a vicious, anti-drug campaign, in which police were given a licence to use “extreme measures” to stamp out the selling of methamphetamines, known locally as “yaba” or “crazy medicine”.

    This three-month reign of police terror left at least 2,274 people dead. The government and police implausibly ascribed the deaths to gangland feuding, insisting that only 42 drug suspects were shot by police officers—most of those in “self-defence”. In fact, the government openly encouraged the police to carry out extra-judicial killings so that the arbitrary goals of its “war on drugs” could be met on time.

    The Narcotics Control Board provided the indices: 1,765 people arrested as major drug dealers and another 15,244 as minor dealers. More than 280,000 “drug pushers” and “addicts” gave themselves up to authorities and were sent for rehabilitation. In all, some 15.5 million pills were confiscated and the street price for the drug doubled or trebled over the course of the three months from February 1 to April 30.

    All 75 of Thailand’s provinces reported that they had more than fulfilled their quota of reducing the number of drug dealers by 50 percent. In some cases, officials boasted of a 100 percent “success rate”—that is, all drug dealers in their province either dead or detained. Interior Minister Wan Muhammad Nor Matha claimed that 440 local officials and politicians, including two police colonels, had been dismissed because of links to drug trafficking.

    The government used a system of bribes and threats to ensure that regional governors and police chiefs carried out the campaign. Three lists were compiled: one by police; the second by local administrative organisations and village heads; and the last by the Narcotics Control Board. Officials who failed to meet their quotas faced dismissal. Those who brought in a “major drug dealer”—dead or alive—received a bounty of one million baht ($US23,600).

    But just who has been arrested or gunned down is unclear, as the allegations against those on the blacklists have not been tested in a court of law. Those whose names appeared had no way of finding out the nature of the accusations against them. Terrified of being framed up or shot dead, thousands opted to hand themselves in and submit to a course of boot-camp style rehabilitation.

    Among those killed was a nine-year-old boy who was shot dead in late February. While undercover police were arresting his father, allegedly in a sting operation, his panic-stricken mother sped off in the family vehicle with the child on board. When police caught up with the car, the woman fled. Before opening the vehicle, the police fired into it at point-blank range killing the boy.

    Thaksin has been able to exploit public hostility to illicit drugs to boost his popularity and deflect attention from the failure of his government to address unemployment, poverty and other social problems that lie at the root of drug abuse. However, the cold-blooded killing of the nine-year old boy sparked public outrage. Since then there has been growing criticism.

    A survey conducted by the Assumption University found that 84.2 percent of Bangkok residents surveyed supported the campaign. But of those same people, 65.3 percent expressed their fear that corrupt police could frame-up innocent people. The very nature of the campaign left the door wide open for those compiling the blacklists to use them to settle personal grudges or deal with business or political opponents.

    The Human Rights Commission was contacted by a number of people who said they had been wrongly included on the blacklists. Government officials called for such complaints to be directed to drug suppression officials. But as Sunai Phasuk from Forum Asia, a human rights organisation, pointed out: “Most of them [the victims] got killed on the way back from the police office. People found their name on a blacklist, went to the police, then end up dead.”


    Growing criticisms

    The Thai media and civil rights activists have been critical of the government’s flagrant disregard for democratic rights and its threadbare justifications for the killings. “If the police weren’t involved, why hasn’t one murderer been arrested?” asked human rights lawyer Somchai Homlaor. “The only sensible conclusion is the police are sending out death squads.”

    Thepchai Yong, editor of the Nation, told the Australian TV program Dateline: “Nobody’s buying that [the government’s] line because we believe that the authorities, the police in particular, were involved in many of the killings. So if what the Interior Minister claims is true, that the killings were the result of a double crossing, or killings among drug dealers themselves, it means drug dealers are in control of the country.”

    Forum Asia said that the government was encouraging police to “simply execute alleged offenders... This makes it increasingly easy for the police and other authorities to simply do away with anyone they don’t like.” The group issued a statement in late February calling for “immediate investigations into the shootings, in which some [victims] were handcuffed when killed or shot in a group. There were at least three cases which experts were able to examine and they found that the suspects had had drugs planted on them after death, and that bullets had been removed before coroners examined the bodies.”

    Others have pointed out that the round-up or killing of large numbers of drug addicts or petty pushers will do nothing to halt drug trafficking as those who control the trade have connections in the highest quarters, including the police and military.

    Former national police chief Pol Gen Sawat Amornwiwat declared in January that “senior state officials and politicians” were “in cahoots with drug traffickers” and that a list prepared by the Drugs Enforcement Agency in 1992 included the name of a senior Thai politician. “The main obstacle is that influential people provide support for drug traffickers and make fantastic amounts of money,” he said.

    Attempts were made to silence the critics. In early March, Dr Pradit Chareonthaitawee, Thailand’s National Human Rights Commissioner, received anonymous death threats, warning him to stop taking his concerns to the United Nations. Shortly afterwards, Suranand Vejjajiva, a spokesman for the ruling Thai Rak Thai Party, threatened to impeach the commissioner for speaking to the UN about the government’s blacklists, extra-judicial killings and failure to prosecute cases involving drug-related murders.

    Opposition politicians warned that the “war on drugs” could lead to international censure over human rights violations and frighten off foreign investors. The prime minister, however, arrogantly dismissed such concerns. The UN High Commissioner for Human Rights was forced to cancel a proposed visit by a special envoy, when the government refused to cooperate.

    Responding to a Senate proposal to hold an inquiry into police practices, Thaksin advised the body to ignore “the thinking of foreigners,” adding: “It is not necessary for Thailand to make any explanation to the UN. We are a sovereign country. If any country wants to cut aid because of what were are doing, frankly speaking, I don’t really care.”

    Following criticisms in the US Congress, the government reacted similarly this week to suggestions that the US might cut off financial aid and technical assistance to the Thai armed forces. Confident that he enjoys the support of Washington, Thaksin declared: “We have explained this [war on drugs] to the US ambassador and the US administration understands it very well.”

    Thaksin, one of the country’s wealthiest businessmen, has close connections to the country’s security forces. He made much of his vast fortune through monopoly rights and state contracts granted by former military regimes.

    Thaksin and his Thai Rak Thai Party won the 2001 election campaign by exploiting the widespread public hostility to the impact of the IMF restructuring agenda being implemented by his predecessor Chuan Leekpai. He campaigned on a populist program that offered handouts to rural villages and debt relief to farmers while at the same time pledging to bail out failing Thai businesses.

    But the government has no solutions to the huge social problems that afflict the lives of the majority of Thais. Through its “war on drugs,” the government is preparing for further attacks on democratic rights, which will, in the future, be directed against its political opponents.

    The government has already foreshadowed a crackdown on drug-related finances. A new law retrospective to February 1 is to be introduced to reward governors with 30 percent of the value of any drug-related assets that are seized. Another 15 percent will be set aside for successful detectives and for anyone providing tip-offs.

    The Office of Narcotics Control Board, National Police Office and Interior Ministry plan to establish a nationwide database of dealers and addicts. Provincial government will be asked to establish special investigative offices and the Anti-Money Laundering Office will be given increased powers to tap phone lines.

    See Also:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,101 ✭✭✭Kingsize


    was that recently??thai government are a bunch of C__TS but whats really needed is a better solution than just sending the fukkers to jail what would would you prefer if it were you ? At least in mountjoy you'd have a roof over yr head & a constant source of gear.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,962 ✭✭✭SpAcEd OuT


    A recent EU survey showed 3.4% of Irelands population use or have used ecstasy,if we lived under those laws in Ireland would be much much less inhabited place.I dont really agree with those zero tolerance laws,hear about the Australian women being executed smuggling in some hash to Bali :eek:
    now thats harsh!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,388 ✭✭✭Kernel


    Suggestions made by people so far:

    Sterilisation, sub species, execution, rounding them up and forcing them to kill each other, police brutality against them, build high walls around them (ie. create a ghetto), forced labour camps... have I gone back in time to Nazi Germany, or is this still Ireland? :)

    Congratulations, you are all prone to nazi style fascism. If the right kind of leader and conditions come along, you will be willing to commit genocide too.... And they say it could never happen again.


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