Pope has died

Branoic · 02-04-2005 11:29PM

Gordon wrote:

Photoshop tbh

Nope, that happened a few weeks ago. He was on a balcony with a couple of kids and they were suppose to release a bunch of doves, except one of the birds wouldn't go away and kept flying around them.

Anyway, I don't consider myself a Catholic, but then that's not a requirement in order to recognise the passing of a very decent human being. RIP.

ether · 02-04-2005 11:30PM

May he rest in peace.

Guy:Incognito · 02-04-2005 11:48PM

RIP

Does he get to be god now?

Healio · 02-04-2005 11:52PM

I believe he was a few tokens short.

jmor · 02-04-2005 11:58PM

I am very sorry that a person has died. can someone tell me what this person did to be regarded as being so great; how many lives did he save ; how many wars did he stop; how much employment did he bring to the world; how many chances for economical improvement did he provide for the '3rd' world??????????????
can someone please inform me of wht he did.

D-Generate · 03-04-2005 12:04AM

He was one of the key figures that brought about the end of the Cold War and the collapse of communism.

Piste · 03-04-2005 12:06AM

But influenced the spread of AIDS, Homophobia and the birth of millions of children into poverty.

JBoyle4eva · 03-04-2005 12:07AM

John Paul II: 1920-2005

RIP

Dinner · 03-04-2005 12:09AM

jmor wrote:

I am very sorry that a person has died. can someone tell me what this person did to be regarded as being so great; how many lives did he save ; how many wars did he stop; how much employment did he bring to the world; how many chances for economical improvement did he provide for the '3rd' world??????????????
can someone please inform me of wht he did.

As already said, he did so much work to rid Poland, and many other countries Communism, he buitl bridges between Catholics and so many other fates, most importantly the Jews and the Eastern Orthodox faiths.

That good enough for you to respect a great man.

What ever about his views on homosexuality or contraception, it was his right as a human to believe what is right or wrong. While those views may now seem to be out of date, they were his, and you should respect his views as I respect yours.

jmor · 03-04-2005 12:09AM

hello ...I am an Atheist & cant understand what all the fuss is about? I grew up catholic & soon realised what my opinion was. but can someone tell me wht this pope guy is all about morj@o2.ie

jmor · 03-04-2005 12:13AM

I am an atheist because i was brought up catholic ...can someone tell me what the deal is? what did JP2 actuallly do ? how many lives did he save ?what did he stand for ??@?

alleepally · 03-04-2005 12:15AM

jmor wrote:

hello ...I am an Atheist & cant understand what all the fuss is about? I grew up catholic & soon realised what my opinion was. but can someone tell me wht this pope guy is all about morj@o2.ie

Might I suggest you use your internet connection to visit any news site? Switch on RTE? Are you really so detached from day to day life that you are totally unaware of the influence of a major figure in the World for the past 27 or so years? Are you seriously saying you are so uninformed about world events that your first post on boards is asking such a question?

Dinner · 03-04-2005 12:15AM

Wow 3 posts all pretty much the same. Try reading back through this and the other threads posted about him, and also use google, its your friend.

kmart6 · 03-04-2005 12:16AM

R.I.P.

alleepally · 03-04-2005 12:20AM

jmor wrote:

I am an atheist because i was brought up catholic ...can someone tell me what the deal is? what did JP2 actuallly do ? how many lives did he save ?what did he stand for ??@?

Here's a little link for you

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1044120,00.html

It's from a magazine called TIME. It's a pretty popular publication throughout the world. As a starting point for your considered research you might take a look there.

Good luck and best wishes in your efforts in catching up on the last 27 years.

abccormac · 03-04-2005 12:20AM

It's like a distant cousin died or something, all in all a very strange experience. While I didn't agree with all of his views, I'm sad to see him gone.

jmor · 03-04-2005 12:22AM

no offence intended but what did he do?
did he stop wars did he pro-actively do anything, did he help people from starving to death ...just what did he do?
i am just interested in what he did? he was a Polish bloke and my Polish friends cant remember what he did for poland apart from putting them on the map ...poland still suffers from mass unemployment and from massive poverty ....so what did he do for Poland ???

Dinner · 03-04-2005 12:25AM

jmor wrote:

no offence intended but what did he do?
did he stop wars did he pro-actively do anything, did he help people from starving to death ...just what did he do?
i am just interested in what he did? he was a Polish bloke and my Polish friends cant remember what he did for poland apart from putting them on the map ...poland still suffers from mass unemployment and from massive poverty ....so what did he do for Poland ???

Jesus Christ read the damn thread.

He helped Poland get rid of Communism, he built bridges between Catholicism and the Jews and the Eastern Orthadox Church and many other religions.

Get up off your ar'se and try do research and maybe, just maybe you will be known as something more then some idiot trolling the internet and not reading where and what he is posting.

alleepally · 03-04-2005 12:27AM

I think jmor is a troll to be honest and most likely a regular boards.ie user too. Shame.

Piste · 03-04-2005 12:28AM

Arabel wrote:

What ever about his views on homosexuality or contraception, it was his right as a human to believe what is right or wrong. While those views may now seem to be out of date, they were his, and you should respect his views as I respect yours.

One could say the same about Hitler's views on the Jews.

Sure everyone's entitled to their own views but when they begin to make a huge negative impact on the world then there is a huge problem.

Dinner · 03-04-2005 12:28AM

Yeah your probably right. Pity you cant help ignorance.

Freeshack · 03-04-2005 12:31AM

R.i.p.

Dinner · 03-04-2005 12:34AM

Gummybearz!!! wrote:

One could say the same about Hitler's views on the Jews.

Sure everyone's entitled to their own views but when they begin to make a huge negative impact on the world then there is a huge problem.

Hitlers views on the Jews was personal, the Popes views on contraception were not personal.

I would disagree with you on the negative impact on the world. I assume your talking about the spread of AIDS in Africa? If you are then I would argue that if there were no missionarys in Africa the spread of AIDS would be the same. But those Missionarys do alot of good out there and do help people. Be it giving water, food or even faith.

I think they should be given contraceptive out there and that some fo the Churchs laws are out dated but it has doen so much good out there. And while it has not helped stop the AIDS spread, it has not helped it either.

jmor · 03-04-2005 12:34AM

i am very sorry for the death of a Polish Citizen, he was a very generous & pleasant man and when i saw him on the television i thought he appeared very gentle and i am very sad that he has died and no doubt that many people will remember him greatly.

Yet, practically what did he do? did he make the european ascencion easier , did he make us more acceptable? ....will we be paid time & a half for our over time ....will we be paid double time on bank holidays ????

RIP JP2 ....but the life your families in ireland is OKOROPNIE ......shame on ireland

alleepally · 03-04-2005 12:40AM

Gummybearz!!! wrote:

One could say the same about Hitler's views on the Jews.

Sure everyone's entitled to their own views but when they begin to make a huge negative impact on the world then there is a huge problem.

When the history books are written and historians look back on the society we are in right now and see the rampant consumerism, the incredible and staggering wealth in the western world V the extreme poverty in the developing world, the finger will point at each of us living right now and say how could we, yes me and you, allow this to happen? They might also say that extreme poverty resulted in sex being the only currency in poverty striken nations with the Aids epidemic being the result.

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Just to add to this, an extract from a Unicef report on HIV/Aids..

"Girls are at very high risk of infection. This is especially true in sub-Saharan Africa, the region hardest hit by HIV/AIDS. In this region, more than two out of three newly-infected 15-24-year olds are female.

Grinding poverty, along with a lack of education and productive resources, multiplies the chances that girls and women will sell sex as their only economic option. In AIDS-affected communities, ‘survival sex’ has become common currency – traded for food, cash, and ‘shelter’ – even for education."

I can't see any of these girls having an option to even think about morality or the Pope's teachings on Condom use in this scenario, can you? In fact, I would suggest the Pope isn't even on the radar when you're hungry and trying to survive

jmor · 03-04-2005 12:47AM

alleepally ...i read your message and i think i understand what you are saying ...i think. my wife's family have suffered whatever any family could suffer in Poland ; she is catholic and see's 'Carol' as an old priest who has done his best and sees him as any priest with a job ????

Piste · 03-04-2005 12:49AM

Arabel wrote:

Hitlers views on the Jews was personal, the Popes views on contraception were not personal.

Whether they were personal or not, he was a respected leader and his views were adopted by many faithful followers.

Arabel wrote:

I would disagree with you on the negative impact on the world. I assume your talking about the spread of AIDS in Africa? If you are then I would argue that if there were no missionarys in Africa the spread of AIDS would be the same. But those Missionarys do alot of good out there and do help people. Be it giving water, food or even faith.

But the missionaries aren't there as a direct effect of the views of the Pope. There are plenty of Protestant and other non-Catholic missionaries working in impoverishes countries.

Piste · 03-04-2005 12:53AM

alleepally wrote:

When the history books are written and historians look back on the society we are in right now and see the rampant consumerism, the incredible and staggering wealth in the western world V the extreme poverty in the developing world, the finger will point at each of us living right now and say how could we, yes me and you, allow this to happen?

It's not like everyone is just sitting back letting people die as a result of poverty. Millions is donated every year by people to charity organizations to help combat the poverty. People give their whole lives to help people in developing countries.

alleepally wrote:

They might also say that extreme poverty resulted in sex being the only currency in poverty striken nations with the Aids epidemic being the result.

Further confirming the need for respected figures of authority such as the Pope to support contraception.

jmor · 03-04-2005 12:59AM

""That good enough for you to respect a great man."" he was against homosexuallity and cotraception"" RIP ...thank god the world will be free from bigottry and narrow mindedness. Rest In Peace that life of single minded ignorant life we have had to suffer for years

jmor · 03-04-2005 01:00AM

we are free
from the Papal mafia

Pope has died

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