Aer Lingus sponsors Racism

Boggle · 16-03-2005 12:30PM

A joke shouldn't be taken as an offence unless said with malice. If it shows us in a good light (i.e. good sense of humour) and promotes tourism then its fine by me...

To compare - I've told a wealth of black man, kerryman, corkman (etc..) jokes in the past, but never once did I believe what I was being said. You say them to mock the stereotype - not the reality...

16-03-2005 01:00PM

Kingsize wrote:

maybe the irish are the last race on earth that its okayto take the piss out of.

Baloney!! What about the Yanks, the Paddy Irishman, Paddy Englishman and Paddy Scotsman? What about the stereotype of French Waiters, Italian "Lovers", Germans with no sense of humour, pernickety Swedes etc...

pickarooney · 16-03-2005 01:38PM

Can't say I've ever heard a pernickety Swede joke. Have you got any there handy?

Kingsize · 16-03-2005 01:58PM

Papa hoff are you saying those stereo types are Okay??
btw the paddy irish,english scottish usually end up with the irishman as the butt of the joke.
there are plenty of other stereotypes you can slag off, doesnt mean its okay though...

Shabadu · 16-03-2005 02:05PM

pickarooney wrote:

Can't say I've ever heard a pernickety Swede joke. Have you got any there handy?

Dane: Do you want some sugar for your coffee?

Swede: No thanks, i'm Swede enough as it is.

What a turnip for the books.

16-03-2005 02:09PM

Seriously, do you really get offended by stereotypes? I really hate the way the world has turned so soft!! Variety is the spice of life and we should recognise our differences, not hide them away.
As Oscar Wilde said,"The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about".

16-03-2005 02:10PM

Jr.Shabadu wrote:

Dane: Do you want some sugar for your coffee?

Swede: No thanks, i'm Swede enough as it is.

What a turnip for the books.

Thats Great!!!

pickarooney · 16-03-2005 02:13PM

Groan! Are you quite Finnish?

Shabadu · 16-03-2005 02:13PM

Thanks Daddy Hoff, I was expecting abuse!

pickarooney · 16-03-2005 02:14PM

Papa Hoff wrote:

As Oscar Wilde said,"The only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about".

Stupid puff Paddy.

Victor · 16-03-2005 02:15PM

jonny68 wrote:

True he should be lined up against the wall and...............

It's OK, we know where he lives....

Shabadu · 16-03-2005 02:15PM

pickarooney wrote:

Groan! Are you quite Finnish?

I could Kerry on for hours.

Dr Bolouswki · 16-03-2005 02:26PM

Why do black people have white teeth?

Why do black people have big lips?

Hear the one about the paki and the cornershop?

Yeah yeah... these are all VERY acceptable and VERY funny....

Fact is ladies and gemmelmen, that regardless of what stereotype its aimed at, all these type of jokes do is perpetuate division between the races and foster a culture of ignorance and fear.

I figure people can do what they want, but the society we create is the sum of what we accept as approved behaviour - and asides from such jokes catering to a cruder more ignorant palate, and essentially being shít, they encourage a culture of divisivness and perpetuate the myth of the <insert butt of joke here> being somehow inferior to the teller.

I have no major affiliation to my 'Irishness' but I still think the idea of the competition reprehensible and the people above who find it harmless to be deluded about its cumalitive effect.

All that said, I couldnt give two fúcks about what terry wogan and a bunch of retired middle calss english people do with their days. They're hardly going to change now. If they are idiotic enough to find this kind of thing entertaining, I don't hold out much hope for them.

Shabadu · 16-03-2005 02:30PM

Dr Bolouswki wrote:

they encourage a culture of divisivness and perpetuate the myth of the <insert butt of joke here> being somehow inferior to the teller.

Ahem cough cough

Dr.Boluswki wrote:

I couldnt give two fúcks about what terry wogan and a bunch of retired middle calss english people do with their days. They're hardly going to change now. If they are idiotic enough to find this kind of thing entertaining, I don't hold out much hope for them.

Oh the ironing...

Kingsize · 16-03-2005 03:03PM

my mate chalkly is so funny.............

Dr. Loon · 16-03-2005 03:09PM

So it seems we truly are losing our sense of humour and laid back friendly attitude. Ah well. Bunch of whinging bítches... get over yourselves.

Kernel · 16-03-2005 05:36PM

Dr. Loon wrote:

So it seems we truly are losing our sense of humour and laid back friendly attitude. Ah well. Bunch of whinging bítches... get over yourselves.

Hey, you need to get real instead of calling people a bunch of whinging bitches (great contribution btw!).

Just because you don't have the self respect to protest at having an ethnic stereotype of you being a thick pig farmer thrown at you, doesn't meant that those who do have that self respect are whinging bitches.

And hey, I'm friendly and I have a great laid back attitude and sense of humour. Don't make broad generalisations and assumptions about people, that's how the jokes started in the first place.

****ing west-Brits.

Shabadu · 16-03-2005 05:48PM

Kernel wrote:

Don't make broad generalisations and assumptions about people, that's how the jokes started in the first place.

****ing west-Brits.

If that's intentional, it's hilarious.

If it wasn't, it's even more hilarious.

Either way, made me laugh.

StupidLikeAFox · 16-03-2005 06:06PM

Kernel wrote:

Just because you don't have the self respect to protest at having an ethnic stereotype of you being a thick pig farmer thrown at you, doesn't meant that those who do have that self respect are whinging bitches.

So if someone tells an irish man joke you take it personally. Yourself. YOU are the one being picked out and insulted. Right?

Tbh these jokes attack the stereotype. I dont see myself or many others as a stereotype. So why should i take offence to it? Basically what seems to be many peoples argument is that ''sure we can laugh at ourselves but when other people laugh at us its RACIST!!!''

This also is similar to the people who whinge and moan about Ireland, but when a foreigner comes in and gives out about it theyre told to **** off back to their own country

Kingsize · 16-03-2005 07:05PM

its okay to burn your own flag anyone elses is an act of war.
if you choose to seek out the roots of irish jokes you would not have to look far.THe ideas behind them are based on old ideas of superiority, old ideas that some people sadly still have.
my original point about the irish being the last race on earth that can be slagged off is really that the irish can take it better than most
doesnt make it right though.

Shabadu · 16-03-2005 07:17PM

Act of war? I don't think Chirac is going to come storming over here with the Legionnaires if Scratchy MacBalls from Dunfermlin burnt the French flag...

Also, Americans have tried to illegalise burning the flag.

BlitzKrieg · 16-03-2005 07:18PM

i wouldnt call these jokes racist...in alot of them the subject is interchangable with numerous different terms.

for example, depending where you say it a paddy irishman etc joke has a different paddy as the butt of the joke. In england its paddyirishman, in ireland its paddy englishman, in scotland its paddy welshman and wales its paddy scotsman.

the offensive racism jokes such as what do you call all the n*****rs on the moon, problem solved. has been repeated again with lawyers, immigrants, yuppies, hippies, republicans, democrats, mexicans and so on.

Even these irishman jokes, in ireland they are the same except its kerryman or traveller.

Does this make it acceptable?

thats argueble. The format of the joke is greatly affected by the society its told in. For example, the racist one i mentioned was told in the early 1970s by white america, it was changed to lawyers in the late 80s and then to republicans for GWB's term in office and Democrats for the 2004 elections.

No Stereotype is being attacked. The jokes are bad jokes, they are told as conversation pieces in the pub or sitting room. They have absolute no relivance to the subject.

Like someone said earlier, its if the joke is told with malice that one should start getting worried, Stop getting uppity over the joke and look at who is telling the joke. If its a member of the BNP then yes be angry, cause most likely he means it. But a radio doing a competition...please, get a sense of humour.

Dr Bolouswki · 17-03-2005 04:46AM

Oh the ironing...

there is no irony - its an english speaking radio station based in the south of france - terry wogan and his listenenrs are predominantly english - I'm not denigrating their englishnish, its just a fact that they are english.

I'm not offended by their actions at all. I just find the whole idea moronic. I've not lost any sense of humour, most jokes where the kicker is based on the type of punchline that presuposes one particular race/colour/creed etc is stupid are genarally shít.

Slutmonkey57b · 17-03-2005 04:50AM

Would anyone like a hair shirt to go with their sense of outrage?

billy the squid · 17-03-2005 05:26AM

simu wrote:

But yet they're not looking for British jokes.

The prize isnt a holiday to britain though is it?

Dr. Loon · 17-03-2005 11:55AM

Kernel wrote:

Hey, you need to get real instead of calling people a bunch of whinging bitches (great contribution btw!).

Just because you don't have the self respect to protest at having an ethnic stereotype of you being a thick pig farmer thrown at you, doesn't meant that those who do have that self respect are whinging bitches.

And hey, I'm friendly and I have a great laid back attitude and sense of humour. Don't make broad generalisations and assumptions about people, that's how the jokes started in the first place.

****ing west-Brits.

Sorry. You're right. Time to ban jokes.

Would you ever fúck off? What is the world coming to when ye can't take a joke? Do you cry for your race every time an Irish joke is uttered? I pity you.

Kernel · 17-03-2005 08:01PM

Dr. Loon wrote:

Sorry. You're right. Time to ban jokes.

Would you ever fúck off? What is the world coming to when ye can't take a joke? Do you cry for your race every time an Irish joke is uttered? I pity you.

Isn't this viewed as a personal attack on the poster? Mod? Anyway, no need to tell me to **** off, since I am as entitled to my opinion as anyone else, and my opinion would (I suspect) be in line with the majority of the Irish population. These jokes are offensive, stupid and should not be allowed - as all prejudiced jokes. If a joke is funny, then tell it, if it is stupid, prejudice and offensive to an ethnic group, then maybe you should think about not telling it. Grow up, I pity you.

Pighead · 17-03-2005 09:33PM

This ones for you kernel,gonna see once and for all if you have a sense of humour.

Q: What is black and blue and found floating up sidedown in the Irish sea?

A: Someone who's tells a stupid Irish joke

Dr. Loon · 18-03-2005 01:45AM

Kernel wrote:

Isn't this viewed as a personal attack on the poster? Mod?

The little red triangle/exclamation thingy on the left of the post is to report it to a mod. If I get a ban so be it.

Anyhoo.... you're very sensitive. You should lock yourself away and die peacefully. The world will be better without you, and your over PC sensibilities + there's far worse things going on in the world than crap Irish/black/Scottish/English/Pakistani/etc... etc... jokes that 90% of the population can laugh off.

It's called a sense of humour, and the ability to detect malice when it's intended... and even if it is intended, if you can laugh it off you're the better person.

PS - Sorry, I went a bit mad there and said black. I meant to say coloured. :rolleyes:

RobertFoster · 18-03-2005 02:43AM

pickarooney wrote:

Stupid puff Paddy.

Oh, come now, he wasn't stupid.

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