If the pope dies??

Talliesin · 25-02-2005 12:39AM

hawkmoon269 wrote:

I find this comment coming from you rather strange considering that you accused me of 'Christian-bashing' on another sub-forum, an allegation I view as totally and utterly ridiculous and false. I was prepared to let it go until I saw this.

I partially retracted that accusation. Still, saying that someone who is a citizen of another country and lives in that another country should be of less concern to the Irish state than an Irishman who lives in Ireland doesn't strike me as "Christian-bashing".
Now, I have many less than complimentary things to say about the old misogynistic homophobe and the organisation he heads should be investigated for conspiracy to pervert the course of justice, aiding and abetting rape, sexual assault and intimidation, withholding of evidence, and corruption, as should at least some of its leaders in this country. It's not always on-topic for me to express that opinion though, and never on-topic in either of the two boards I moderate (I can see it having a slight relevance in Paganism as to why someone began evaluating the religious views they were raised with, I'd be very surprised if it ever came up in Programming).

hawkmoon269 wrote:

Different rules for mods I guess - Hypocrisy rules ok.

Yes it's part of the conspiracy of all of us mods to oppress boards users until you are all broken husks of human beings that will do our bidding. Or maybe you're talking ****e and it's really a case of different rules for different boards (it's not like mods have never banned other mods before).

Talliesin · 25-02-2005 12:42AM

BEAT wrote:

they have 9 days of mourning and devout Catholics may get to leave work early or something to go worship and pray

You can legally insist on taking the holidays you are legally entitled to as an employee on days of religious significance to yourself. However your employer does have a right to a degree of notice about this which may negate this legal right in this particular case, which was written with the holidays/feast days/fast days/etc. that are part of a religion's regular calendar in mind.

Ray777 · 25-02-2005 01:28AM

It's very fashionable nowadays to take the piss out of the Pope and I have to say, I find it pretty pathetic. I'm not religious at all, but it strikes me as extremely disrespectful to slag off the dying leader of millions of Catholics, purely because you don't agree with the teachings of Catholicism. If I was to start making similar insults about Islam or Judaism, I'd (quite rightly) be shouted down and called a bigot. Why is the Catholic Church seen as 'fair game'?

On the subject of the Pope's health - I think they're probably doing too much to keep him alive. He's 84 and therefore his death is inevitable. It seems cruel to keep someone who is quite clearly in huge pain and discomfort alive. If I was a practising Catholic, I'd be praying for God to take him.

When the Pope does die, I think there's a fair chance of a 'National Day of Mourning'. We had one in September 2001, when America suffered a tragedy - surely a country where the bulk of the population is Catholic should somehow officially mark the death of the Pope.

elivsvonchiaing · 25-02-2005 01:58AM

Ray777 wrote:

It's very fashionable nowadays to take the piss out of the Pope and I have to say, I find it pretty pathetic. I'm not religious at all, but it strikes me as extremely disrespectful to slag off the dying leader of millions of Catholics, purely because you don't agree with the teachings of Catholicism.

Think most people are coming from the sex scandals and the cover-ups etc. Many though from the perspective that whatever they do is excusable, eliminate catholic "childhood" remorse; e.g. hates new work colleague (female), has good marriage; she makes advances; mental confusion: justification: catholic church is load of crap; returns advances. There's too much of this going on - but do think most brands of christianity are flawed anyway.

Think the guilt-trip is just too much of an emphasis in Catholicism tbh!

The pope dying - fairly sure he will soon. To "recover" so quickly from an illness then to be hospitalised again so quickly does not have a good prognosis - and I'm not a doctor. Infection from tracheotmy could just as easily kill him.

billy the squid · 25-02-2005 02:09AM

passive wrote:

office pool, anyone?

http://www.deathlist.net

therecklessone · 25-02-2005 10:58AM

If the Pope dies, who takes over in goal?

Ancient1 · 25-02-2005 11:03AM

Talliesin wrote:

I have many less than complimentary things to say about the old misogynistic homophobe and the organisation he heads should be investigated for conspiracy to pervert the course of justice, aiding and abetting rape, sexual assault and intimidation, withholding of evidence, and corruption, as should at least some of its leaders in this country.

Damn straight. I couldn't have said it more diplomatically.

Blisterman · 25-02-2005 12:48PM

Ray777 wrote:

When the Pope does die, I think there's a fair chance of a 'National Day of Mourning'. We had one in September 2001, when America suffered a tragedy - surely a country where the bulk of the population is Catholic should somehow officially mark the death of the Pope.

Id say it's unlikely, they would, for 2 reasons.

1. They risk upsetting people of other religions, and it could cause contraversy.

2. It's unlikely they'd have another day of mourning anyway after the last one, where people used it as an excuse to get drunk. Thats why there wasnt one after the tsunami.

bada_bing · 25-02-2005 01:00PM

oh for the love of god!! i can't understand what the big fuss is about the pope and his impending demise! for christ's sake he's just a figurehead, a puppet, an elected offical representative just like Mary McAleese is for Ireland and no-one gives a toss about her at all. in my opinion he's no more special than any other old crank out there.

dearg_doom · 25-02-2005 01:13PM

the Pope's grand lads, I just heard on the news he just had a latte, 10 biscuits and a yoghurt.

he's laughing

Kingsize · 25-02-2005 01:31PM

Does anyone remember when devalera died?
rte showed nothing but a painting with sombre background music for what seemed like days on end,CU_NTS!! i was waiting for sesame st!
still itd be better than whats on in the afternoon these days.

Kingsize · 25-02-2005 01:38PM

"Thats why there wasnt one after the tsunami."

more like the irish government jumped the gun and kissed american corporate ass in sept 2001.
most of the countries affected by the tsunami could only steal our crap jobs & not provide them

passive · 25-02-2005 01:53PM

bada_bing: oh for the love of god!! i can't understand what the big fuss is about the pope and his impending demise! for christ's sake he's just a figurehead, a puppet, an elected offical representative just like Mary McAleese is for Ireland and no-one gives a toss about her at all. in my opinion he's no more special than any other old crank out there.

That's all very cute and we all think so much of you now that you've had your say. For the record nobody was really making a "big fuss" and most of us were casually discussing the implications of his death and whether or not it affects us. (note to kingsize: affects, not effects)

oh...and For God's sake? for christ's sake? you put a lot of thought into your turns of phrase into that brilliant little rant...didn't you?

(err...mocks didn't go well. i'm cranky)

Kingsize · 25-02-2005 03:16PM

Capital "C" for Christ surely???

b0bsquish · 25-02-2005 03:44PM

Hopefully the old man will kick the bucket sooner rather that later, he cant speak ffs!! let him die in peace, he's the pope so he'll go to heaven and all that whatever that everyone believes in.... :rolleyes: anyway.....i vote glenn danzig for the next pope

vibe666 · 25-02-2005 09:32PM

can't we have pope dougal?

*adele* · 25-02-2005 10:23PM

i second that!!!

elivsvonchiaing · 26-02-2005 01:27AM

Kingsize wrote:

Does anyone remember when devalera died?
rte showed nothing but a painting with sombre background music for what seemed like days on end,CU_NTS!! i was waiting for sesame st!
still itd be better than whats on in the afternoon these days.

Jebus you must be old as me. Only the faintest recollection of that, remember it was on the day - days on end well you could be right - just don't remember - has to be 30 years ago :eek: (too lazy to look up date of his death).

I now doubt the pope will see out 2005. What is worth asking who will be the next pope? Will he make women priests? (Probably not). I think if he's over 60 he will be less liberal. No matter what age he is I think he'll side with african/south american values - which are fairly conservative, so even no matter what he really believes this will remain in the closet, and he'll continue to condemn homosexuality, protected sex :mad:. However, I do seriously think he may consider lifting celibacy on male priests; making it possible for them to marry. Think this will reduce sex scandals, and make some guy up on the pulpit; who otherwise wouldn't have been near a vagina since he was born; lecturing everyone on how to live a married life; somehow more credible!

Sysiphus · 26-02-2005 01:59AM

elivsvonchiaing wrote:

However, I do seriously think he may consider lifting celibacy on male priests; making it possible for them to marry. Think this will reduce sex scandals, and make some guy up on the pulpit; who otherwise wouldn't have been near a vagina since he was born; lecturing everyone on how to live a married life; somehow more credible!

Bear in mind that sex and marrige in the priesthood has nothing to do with sin etc. and more to do with land and the church not wanting to loose property (the root of all income and wealth). Priests used to be married up until about 800 bce.

This is in the same vein as papal infalability, which only started in about 1824. So it's all a crock, the rules change as per the current political mood or benefit, the way the church accepts new science as if they knew all along.

So the new pope will make whatever SMALL changes are need to keep the masses suplicant.

Töpher · 26-02-2005 02:25AM

Why all this Pope Dougal nonsense?! Pope Hackett would be far more supreme! All hail!

jimmycrackcorm · 26-02-2005 02:36AM

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Pigman II · 26-02-2005 02:52AM

A Pope with a tracheotomy? Talk about being holier than thou.

elivsvonchiaing · 26-02-2005 03:02AM

Einst&#252 wrote: »

Why all this Pope Dougal nonsense?! Pope Hackett would be far more supreme! All hail!

In fairness now, think Pope Ted Crilly is what we want... A pope that isn't seriously thick, isn't a major alco, and is sexually frustrated. "Pope Ted's thoughts - If I could Marry xyz I could make love to her, I don't have to marry her for this... consults vatican lawyers - priests get to marry!:rolleyes:

embee · 26-02-2005 03:11AM

The dithering old fool should resign and be put out to pasture. I reckon he'll be dead within 2 years anyways.

And on the question of a day off, we wouldn't get a day off if the Dalai Lama died in the morning. Why would the Pope be any different?

He's a stupid git, anyways, the Pope.

elivsvonchiaing · 26-02-2005 03:31AM

As a pontiff, and me as a Catholic - I've always found he has enchanced my sex life...all g/fs i've ever had were sinfull - (not married -all catholic or c of e) - much more errotic than married to them sinless - ooaarhhh! Just hope he has enhanced gay relationships just as much!:D

...and me as a Catholic - I was tempted to stub out a camel on my forehead on ash-wednesday but came to conclusion - I only want a secular woman- of any religion! Religion sux!

Ray777 · 26-02-2005 03:51AM

embee wrote:

The dithering old fool should resign and be put out to pasture. I reckon he'll be dead within 2 years anyways.

And on the question of a day off, we wouldn't get a day off if the Dalai Lama died in the morning. Why would the Pope be any different?

He's a stupid git, anyways, the Pope.

You're quite clearly an idiot, so I'm probably wasting my time here. The reason the death of the Pope is different to the death of the Dalai Lama, is because the majority of people in this country are Catholics. As I said earlier in this thread, the Catholic Church and the Pope are easy targets for piss-taking. For some bizzare reason, it's completely acceptable to criticize Catholicism, but not any other religion (many of which are far more strict and oppressive).

If we can have a 'National Day of Mourning' for the deaths of a few thousand Americans, surely Catholics should be allowed to similarly mourn the death of their spiritual leader.

embee · 26-02-2005 04:44AM

Ray777 wrote:

You're quite clearly an idiot, so I'm probably wasting my time here. The reason the death of the Pope is different to the death of the Dalai Lama, is because the majority of people in this country are Catholics. As I said earlier in this thread, the Catholic Church and the Pope are easy targets for piss-taking. For some bizzare reason, it's completely acceptable to criticize Catholicism, but not any other religion (many of which are far more strict and oppressive).

If we can have a 'National Day of Mourning' for the deaths of a few thousand Americans, surely Catholics should be allowed to similarly mourn the death of their spiritual leader.

Oh, come now. Didn't Jesus say somewhere in the Bible "Love one another as I have loved you?"

The majority of people in Ireland are Catholics, yes. We aren't all, though. Personally speaking, I don't give a damn if he dies tomorrow or in two years time. He's a figurehead of an institution thats long since passed its sell by date. I won't shed a tear when he dies. I won't even care. In actual fact, Yasser Arafat dying a few months back affected me moreso than the Popes death will. That doesn't make me an idiot at all. The Popes death isn't going to change the face of international relations and bring peace and/or war to the planet. He'll die, everyone who cares will be sad, then they'll just elect a new Pope. I think the Pope should resign. He won't though, but then... I don't care.

Catholicism is widely criticised and ridiculed in Ireland because of the churches pretty chequered history with Irelands citizens. The Church has done itself no favours in that regard, and I personally am pretty sickened by the Church over some of the more unsavoury things that have happened on this island in the name of religion.

The deaths of a "few thousand" Americans on September 11th genuinely upset me. The death of over 100,00 people dying last Christmas when the tsunami struck upset me. The death of an elderly man who does nothing particularly significant or doesnt change the world in anyway (and yet is heaped with praise and admiration) won't. No doubt I'll go to Hell for saying all this.

Its just as well I don't believe in Hell, isn't it?

DMC · 26-02-2005 11:09AM

embee wrote:

The death of an elderly man who does nothing particularly significant or doesnt change the world in anyway (and yet is heaped with praise and admiration) won't.

I wouldnt say he "doesnt change the world", as the head for the worlds largest organised religion, his words do count for a lot of people. He might not change the world for you or others that are not practicising catholics, but still it affects a lot of people who do stick with the religion or are still loosely aligned to its beliefs. One look at our little country and its stated views on certain ethical and moral topics, such as abortion, divorce etc, shows that the Roman catholic ethos and psyche is still ingrained in our society, and will be for a few more decades to come, as we move steadily more secular.

embee wrote:

No doubt I'll go to Hell for saying all this.

Its just as well I don't believe in Hell, isn't it?

One handcart on its way to Ardee

Raphael · 26-02-2005 12:33PM

bada_bing wrote:

oh for the love of god!! i can't understand what the big fuss is about the pope and his impending demise! for christ's sake he's just a figurehead, a puppet, an elected offical representative just like Mary McAleese is for Ireland and no-one gives a toss about her at all. in my opinion he's no more special than any other old crank out there.

2 words: Papal infallibility

The pope is more like a dictator than our president. He does hold supreme power in the church

Personally, I have been wishing for a very long time that the current pope were to go as soon as possible. He's far too old to hold the kind of power that the head of the catholic church has. I don't want him to die, just to be replaced. Unfortunatly, the position of pope is for life, so he's only getting out of their by death (afaik)

daveirl · 26-02-2005 01:25PM

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