As an Irish person, are you ashamed of Amanda Byram?

RuggieBear · 10-02-2005 06:00PM

simu wrote:

That said, the Swan is a horribly exploiting show.

Bingo....the whole show gives me the creeps. The whole attitude of the show sucks.... "Well, you are so ugly thew only way we can help you is to perform surgery"

All the woman end up looking the same....a surgeons embodyment of "perfection". UGH!!!

Oh... and Amanda should be ashamed of herself appearing on such a show unless she is willing to go under the knife as well.

galactus · 10-02-2005 06:11PM

The Swan is disturbing. None of these women were dogs and they all end up getting plastic surgery. Its a bit like going into PC World and asking them if you need a new PC - what answer do you expect!

Fair play to Amanda Byram for making moolah (she only went over there to get over whatshisname and an agent saw her).

All the women end up look like clones: big hair, big tits, big teeth. Superficiality at its worst. But sure, that's the way nowadays.

Lafortezza · 10-02-2005 08:39PM

This thread is utterly useless without pics of Amanda Byram, preferable in lingerie or swimsuit.

solas · 10-02-2005 09:02PM

as horribly exploiting as the show is..I'm addicted to it. It holds a terrible fascination and the results never cease to amaze me. I've never been one to promote uneccessary cosmetic surgery but all and anyhow..Amanda Byram has achieved international sucess with the show, which is a great thing. Very few Irish celebs have made it so big, so good for her.
What's wrong with having a beautiful sensitive woman as an ambassador for Ireland?

Saruman · 10-02-2005 09:08PM

rkm wrote:

If ya paid ur tv licence youd know.

We pay it but dont actually watch TV at the moment (not since i moved and got rif of sky

)

Hever heard of her.

Lafortezza · 10-02-2005 10:54PM

byte · 10-02-2005 11:41PM

Did she present some sort of dating big brother type show, also in America?

muffler · 11-02-2005 12:35AM

you would be ashamed if you kicked her out of bed.

God I love women!!!!!!!!!!!!

alleepally · 11-02-2005 12:48AM

byte wrote:

Did she present some sort of dating big brother type show, also in America?

Paradise Island i think it was. Used to watch repeats of it on TV3 really late when I couldn't sleep.

Amanda has her own career to think about and she can't look a gift horse in the mouth if TV execs in the US are flinging money at her to present their programmes. She needs to make money while she is in vogue and if she didn't present the programme someone else would. She would have cut her career dead if she took some moral stance on the content of the programme and would have gained a reputation for being difficult.

Heard her being interviewed by Dave Fanning some weeks ago and he asked her did she not have a problem with the concept of the show and she basically said she was reassured by all the work the team does with the women around their emotional /psychological state...

In the interview with Fanning it also came to light that her TV career in the US was a total fluke. She was at home in Dublin and her flat was flooded, she got a call from a friend in LA who invited her over for a few days break from the flooded flat.. She went and was at lunch one day when an agent recognised her from TV in the UK and he was looking for someone to front the Paradise Island programme.. If her flat hadn't been flooded she'd never have been in LA etc etc... funny old world.

monument · 11-02-2005 12:55AM

I’m ashamed that poor Amanda Byram hasn’t yet seen that big black spot on her face, does she need eye surgery? Come on, if here eyes were ok she see that spot – it needs a bit of a slicing and dicing. Does she not want to be perfect?!!

Third_Echelon · 11-02-2005 01:12AM

seamus wrote:

I don't think it's necessarily the idea of getting the plastic surgery that's bad, but the way it's presented. I saw this ****ty program for the first time the other night, and I was actually disgusted. And it takes a bit to disgust me. Basically it was the message the show was giving out.

One poor woman, who wasn't ugly by any stretch, suffered from what was obviously low self-esteem. Acutely low in fact. There's a short film, comes back to ugly Amanda, who says to the "Panel", "Right, what do we need to do here?".
Now, forgive me for being naive, but I thought they'd along the lines of "Well, we'll get her some nice clothes, make a gym regime for her, some confidence training." Now, in fairness they did say this, but the very *first* thing they said was - Right, plastic surgery, we're going to augment her nose, breasts, chin, give her lipo here here here and here, and pretty much circling every little flaw in her body.
I'm not anti-surgery, but it should be the very *last* thing anyone should consider. The flippant way they approached it just disgusted me. Young girls will see this, empathise with this woman's poor self-esteem, and think "Surgery! That's it! They say she needs surgery, I must need surgery too!".

Yes, I'm ashamed.

You've hit the nail on the head there seamus... exactly how i view it as well...
The show is actually horrible... I've seen it a few times and I have to turn it off after a few minutes...

Personally if I was in the same position as Amanda Byram I wouldn't do a show like that...

Gizzard · 11-02-2005 01:14AM

who is Amanda Byram?

galactus · 11-02-2005 11:05AM

I'd like to see a version of this show for fellas full of cybernetic enhancments.

Amanda: "Anto...before you were a wimp. Now you are Terminator 1000 series!"

Anto: "Oh my GOD! I look beautiful!"

Dr. Loon · 11-02-2005 11:15AM

monument wrote:

I’m ashamed that poor Amanda Byram hasn’t yet seen that big black spot on her face, does she need eye surgery? Come on, if here eyes were ok she see that spot – it needs a bit of a slicing and dicing. Does she not want to be perfect?!!

Beauty spot. Cindy Crawford has one. I presonally think she's rather attractive. In fact when they reveal the bítches with their new ridiculous títs and face jobs, 90% of the time I find your one Byram to be at least 10 times more attractive than any of them.

I've watched the show quite a few times, it's fascinating in a "these people are fúcking mad" kind of way.

I wouldn't be ashamed of her at all. Fair play. Question - has she had any surgery? I don't think so but I wouldn't be positive on that.

Kingsize · 11-02-2005 11:24AM

if i ever see amanda byram it will be all i can do to stop myself from twatting her! unless paddy keilty or richard blackwood are in the same room i'll be laying some prison surgery on her !

Dr. Loon · 11-02-2005 11:24AM

Gizzard wrote:

who is Amanda Byram?

That's her on the left I think...

Also

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galactus · 11-02-2005 11:25AM

The Swan is all about "Changing awareness"
http://www.cosmeticsurgerytimes.com/cosmeticsurgerytimes/article/articleDetail.jsp?id=102225

Anyway, enough of that. Where are all the pics of Amanda in a swim-suit!

Dr. Loon · 11-02-2005 11:25AM

Kingsize wrote:

if i ever see amanda byram it will be all i can do to stop myself from twatting her!

What will be all you can do? What's it?

Kingsize · 11-02-2005 11:30AM

sorry i was trying to be clever, lets just say if i ever see her theres a good chance she'd get a boot in the hole!

Dr. Loon · 11-02-2005 11:39AM

Why? Are you jealous of her good looks? Or are you just a mean spirited person. I'd say if you ever bumped into her you'd be falling over yourself, dribbling like an incoherent fool.

Morrigan · 11-02-2005 11:53AM

galactus wrote:

I'd like to see a version of this show for fellas full of cybernetic enhancments.

Amanda: "Anto...before you were a wimp. Now you are Terminator 1000 series!"

Anto: "Oh my GOD! I look beautiful!"

Lol...
i'd pay good money to see that...well maybe not GOOD money. I keep the good money for gentlemen callers.

Kingsize · 11-02-2005 12:00PM

well thats the effect most women have on me & lets face it if an ugly hobbit like keilty can bag amanda byram i'm probably in with a shout.However i think that shes a vacant tart & i find the swan more offensive than anything else on tv.

Kingsize · 11-02-2005 12:04PM

personally id love to see a version of the swan in the style of American Chopper with the surgeons fighting& cussin' with each other & the deadline drawing closer
imagine the tension as they wait for customised breasts to arrive at the "shop".

Pigman II · 11-02-2005 12:06PM

Kingsize wrote:

personally id love to see a version of the swan in the style of American Chopper with the surgeons fighting& cussin' with each other & the deadline drawing closer
imagine the tension as they wait for customised breasts to arrive at the "shop".

They could call it Pimp My Wife.

Dades · 11-02-2005 12:08PM

Kingsize wrote:

personally id love to see a version of the swan in the style of American Chopper with the surgeons fighting& cussin' with each other & the deadline drawing closer
imagine the tension as they wait for customised breasts to arrive at the "shop".

LOL

And a "Mikey" type figure juggling silicone implants in the corner when he should be talking out the lipo waste sacks...

stevenmu · 11-02-2005 12:51PM

I've only seen bits of the show a few times and tbh I find it disgusting. Every time I've seen it the women have been crying hysterically and they are all in therapy. They all seem to have serious psychological problems that the show is just going to exacerbate. The producers are making a quick buck by taking advantage of people who are completly f**ked up, and probably going to end up worse off because of it.

I don't think it really reflects on the Irish people one way or another though.

Ms Beanbag · 11-02-2005 12:59PM

You cant say the show is taking advanatage of the people. They audition of their own free will.
It is ridiculus though. some of them look awful after the surgery. The worst is the lip implants. maybe their just still swollen up... hopefully :eek:

what I thought though is that perhaps its all exagerated...
Last weeks episode featured a deaf woman, yet she was on the phone to someone who was telling her her house was ruined because of the hurricane.
(Also her head around the ears was bandaged)

Jimmy_Jazz · 11-02-2005 01:02PM

Ashamed of her? No.
Scared of her? A little.

Dades · 11-02-2005 01:03PM

stevenmu wrote:

I've only seen bits of the show a few times and tbh I find it disgusting. Every time I've seen it the women have been crying hysterically and they are all in therapy. They all seem to have serious psychological problems that the show is just going to exacerbate. The producers are making a quick buck by taking advantage of people who are completly f**ked up, and probably going to end up worse off because of it.

I dunno, man. They ALL look pretty damn happy at the end of it. These people are volunteers. They've got a free makeover and bared all on TV. It's a cheesy financial enterprise but everybody wins IMO.

Meh.

Jak · 11-02-2005 01:33PM

Vicarious shame for Amanda? I doubt she loses any sleep over it.

I find most reality tv shows painful to watch because I have little respect for the concepts or contestants ... however, whilst I think the show is garbage entertainment, I think that of a lot of new concept tv.

The point is that most of them look an absolute mess before going on and let us remember they choose to go on the show, with the support of their families. They get financed for a complete makeover they could never possibly afford otherwise.

It's fine to talk about inner-beauty and self-esteem - but for some people that is an impossible leap when they see the physical reality in the mirror. Physical beauty is only one attribute of an individual but if you say it doesn't matter at all then you are deluding yourself. The majority of the world take it into consideration. The more and stronger the attributes you have the better. Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but the more people who behold you as beautiful the better .. and there are norms for this.

These people look awful before, and the 'afters' I saw looked ... well they looked really good mostly. In every case they looked far better, and all of them at least walk away with that. That's a result for them.

It's not for everyone, and if they were hauling ugly folk off the streets and hacking them up against their will, obviously there would be a justified furor. But if someone wants to look better and they are getting arguably some of the best surgeons - for nothing - then who the **** is anyone here to tell them they are being exploited and they should explore their inner beauty more?

Inner beauty doesn't get you a foot in the door.

As an Irish person, are you ashamed of Amanda Byram?

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