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Catholic Guilt

  • 03-01-2005 01:32AM
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,457 ✭✭✭


    It's a myth right?

    What exactly is it supposed to be?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,225 ✭✭✭Ciaran500


    Can someone explain it to me?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,500 ✭✭✭Mercury_Tilt


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,730 ✭✭✭✭simu


    I don't know if it was ever all that strong in Ireland.

    The religious education we got in school was very wishy washy and touchy feely.

    Even with older generations, whilst they believed in stuff like hell, they didn't seem to get all that worked up about it as they seemed to assume that it was something that would happen to other people. Then again, maybe some people took it more seriously than others - see the retreat bit in "Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man" - or maybe they went through short phases where they were agonised by it and then relaxed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,500 ✭✭✭Mercury_Tilt


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 9,814 Mod ✭✭✭✭mayordenis


    scare tactic, just imposed upon you if you wanna believe in catholisism or not. i suppose its those who are more into the faith than others who suffer, not me.


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 9,814 Mod ✭✭✭✭mayordenis


    merc wrote:
    Guilt is self-centered wallowing in the consequences of our wrongdoing.

    Basically.

    correction friend, wrong doing in the eyes of the church


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,500 ✭✭✭Mercury_Tilt


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 9,814 Mod ✭✭✭✭mayordenis


    merc wrote:
    You will have to explain the "correction friend bit" I feel you do not mean it in the context of the thread but maybe a more wider way? Forgive me If I have pick you up wrong.

    You can be sure I wont feel guilty though! :)

    lol look dont mind me im usually talkin nonsense


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,392 ✭✭✭d22ontour


    worst invention ever religon (i hope god doesnt read this) :D


  • Subscribers Posts: 9,716 ✭✭✭CuLT


    Of course god reads boards.ie 0_o

    I've seen his account. He really only posts announcements and makes new forums though.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,488 ✭✭✭SantaHoe


    Then there's the whole issue of "original sin"... so really there's no way to avoid guilt is there?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,817 ✭✭✭✭po0k


    It's an American stereotype from what I can see.

    And it's nothing to do with fear of hell.
    It's more to do with Jesus' sacrifice/dying on the cross/etc. and that any Catholic who commits a sin *should* feel guilty because they're taking their Messiah's sacrifice for granted etc. etc.
    In a different vein, it may also have to do with Original Sin, that we are all born from Sin and must repent and be saved.

    It's a load of bollocks used to control the uneducated masses.

    "Organised" religion is synonymous with organised crime and racketeering in my view, Catholicism and the other Christian-based religions are the worst for it (from my limited experience).

    Go to mass, support your church, pay your dues, pay for the collection plate, pay for church ceremonies for christenings, baptisms, communion, confirmation, weddings, funderals.
    The celibacy thing was another way to retain the church's wealth.
    If a priest can't have any offspring/heirs, then the land/wealth that the priest controlled can't pass onto his/her children.
    It's a money racket.


    Hail Bon Jovi


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,440 ✭✭✭✭Piste


    I urge you all to convert to the cult of Fabuloism. Read more about it Here


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭keu


    Cactus Col wrote:
    It's a myth right?
    What exactly is it supposed to be?
    ciaran500 wrote:
    Can someone explain it to me?
    It hasn't existed since long before your birth, don't worry your little innocent selves about it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭keu


    Catholic Guilt..it's what peadophile priests *feel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    SantaHoe wrote:
    Then there's the whole issue of "original sin"... so really there's no way to avoid guilt is there?

    Probably not and of course reinfroced by putting us in dark small spaces when we are six years of age with the word "mortal sin" pounding in your brain .
    Most of Catholic teaching revolved the idea of the catechism and of course the Ten commandments. Confession encourages guilt.
    The use of good and bad by the Catholic church is also quite brilliant. Good was not necessarily good and bad was really the only natural state for all of us until it turned to good. The most fondly told parable in my recollection was the "The Prodigal Son".
    Guilt Reinforcement par excellence.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭keu


    are you like over the age of fifty and living in the stix?
    I never heard of mortal sin til I was in my late teens. (not through schooling either)..and as for original sin, only ever heard about in movies like the magdeline sisters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    keu wrote:
    are you like over the age of fifty and living in the stix?
    I never heard of mortal sin til I was in my late teens. (not through schooling either)..and as for original sin, only ever heard about in movies like the magdeline sisters.

    Nope, just read a bit , watched the movies. As for mortal sin try reading "The First Confession" by Frank O'Connor, great story and all the guilt you want in there :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭keu


    I got a hug off a priest once, told me he was going to meet me in heaven :)..and that was after I told him about the drugs.
    oh..and then he said your sins are all forgiven..don't be worrying yourself.
    lovely chap.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 579 ✭✭✭Da_cOmRaDe_MiKe


    keu wrote:
    I got a hug off a priest once, told me he was going to meet me in heaven :)..and that was after I told him about the drugs.
    oh..and then he said your sins are all forgiven..don't be worrying yourself.
    lovely chap.

    erm??


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    keu wrote:
    I got a hug off a priest once, told me he was going to meet me in heaven :)..and that was after I told him about the drugs.
    oh..and then he said your sins are all forgiven..don't be worrying yourself.
    lovely chap.
    Exactly, all prodigal son stuff :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭keu


    :)
    I've returned home.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,165 ✭✭✭DEmeant0r


    keu wrote:
    I got a hug off a priest once, told me he was going to meet me in heaven :)..and that was after I told him about the drugs.
    oh..and then he said your sins are all forgiven..don't be worrying yourself.
    lovely chap.
    I think he was trying to chat you up or something


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭keu


    I was blind, but now I seee..you made a believer out of meee
    I'm movin on up now
    yea light up the darkness
    my love shines on my love shines on my love shines on
    I was lost and now I'm found
    I believe in you
    I got no bounds
    I'm movin on up now..yea..harrrr

    Alleluyaaah
    Amen

    (thats just came on the radio conveniently)


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Isn't Catholic guilt directly linked to original sin - i.e. even if you've never done anything wrong, you're still guilty because Adam, Eve snake, apple etc.?
    The sins of the fathers and all that guff.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭keu


    I would think "sins of the fathers" would be things like generational "sins"...like the holocaust and such things...?
    I''ll probably be corrected by someone from christianity.


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,496 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Maybe. Only google results I found (after 12 seconds) were about paedophilke priests.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭keu


    http://www.touched.com/episodeguide/seasonthree/
    touched by an angel episode 301 was titled sins of the father...gives a brief description of the plot..
    the angels know these things.

    (lots about george bush too)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    keu wrote:
    http://www.touched.com/episodeguide/seasonthree/
    touched by an angel episode 301 was titled sins of the father...gives a brief description of the plot..
    the angels know these things.

    (lots about george bush too)
    wonder how you google :confused:
    Here you go, loads of them
    http://www.happinessonline.org/InfectiousGreed/p13.htm

    Helps when you know it's a biblical reference :p


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,180 ✭✭✭keu


    that blue writing is making my eyes go funny. The angels said it better tbh.


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