Catholic Guilt

Cactus Col

It's a myth right?

What exactly is it supposed to be?

Ciaran500

Can someone explain it to me?

Mercury_Tilt

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simu

I don't know if it was ever all that strong in Ireland.

The religious education we got in school was very wishy washy and touchy feely.

Even with older generations, whilst they believed in stuff like hell, they didn't seem to get all that worked up about it as they seemed to assume that it was something that would happen to other people. Then again, maybe some people took it more seriously than others - see the retreat bit in "Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man" - or maybe they went through short phases where they were agonised by it and then relaxed.

Mercury_Tilt

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mayordenis

scare tactic, just imposed upon you if you wanna believe in catholisism or not. i suppose its those who are more into the faith than others who suffer, not me.

mayordenis

merc wrote:

Guilt is self-centered wallowing in the consequences of our wrongdoing.

Basically.

correction friend, wrong doing in the eyes of the church

Mercury_Tilt

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mayordenis

merc wrote:

You will have to explain the "correction friend bit" I feel you do not mean it in the context of the thread but maybe a more wider way? Forgive me If I have pick you up wrong.

You can be sure I wont feel guilty though!

lol look dont mind me im usually talkin nonsense

d22ontour

worst invention ever religon (i hope god doesnt read this)

CuLT

Of course god reads boards.ie 0_o

I've seen his account. He really only posts announcements and makes new forums though.

SantaHoe

Then there's the whole issue of "original sin"... so really there's no way to avoid guilt is there?

po0k

It's an American stereotype from what I can see.

And it's nothing to do with fear of hell.
It's more to do with Jesus' sacrifice/dying on the cross/etc. and that any Catholic who commits a sin *should* feel guilty because they're taking their Messiah's sacrifice for granted etc. etc.
In a different vein, it may also have to do with Original Sin, that we are all born from Sin and must repent and be saved.

It's a load of bollocks used to control the uneducated masses.

"Organised" religion is synonymous with organised crime and racketeering in my view, Catholicism and the other Christian-based religions are the worst for it (from my limited experience).

Go to mass, support your church, pay your dues, pay for the collection plate, pay for church ceremonies for christenings, baptisms, communion, confirmation, weddings, funderals.
The celibacy thing was another way to retain the church's wealth.
If a priest can't have any offspring/heirs, then the land/wealth that the priest controlled can't pass onto his/her children.
It's a money racket.


Hail Bon Jovi

Piste

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keu

Cactus Col wrote:

It's a myth right?
What exactly is it supposed to be?

ciaran500 wrote:

Can someone explain it to me?

It hasn't existed since long before your birth, don't worry your little innocent selves about it.

keu

Catholic Guilt..it's what peadophile priests *feel.

is_that_so

SantaHoe wrote:

Then there's the whole issue of "original sin"... so really there's no way to avoid guilt is there?

Probably not and of course reinfroced by putting us in dark small spaces when we are six years of age with the word "mortal sin" pounding in your brain .
Most of Catholic teaching revolved the idea of the catechism and of course the Ten commandments. Confession encourages guilt.
The use of good and bad by the Catholic church is also quite brilliant. Good was not necessarily good and bad was really the only natural state for all of us until it turned to good. The most fondly told parable in my recollection was the "The Prodigal Son".
Guilt Reinforcement par excellence.

keu

are you like over the age of fifty and living in the stix?
I never heard of mortal sin til I was in my late teens. (not through schooling either)..and as for original sin, only ever heard about in movies like the magdeline sisters.

is_that_so

keu wrote:

are you like over the age of fifty and living in the stix?
I never heard of mortal sin til I was in my late teens. (not through schooling either)..and as for original sin, only ever heard about in movies like the magdeline sisters.

Nope, just read a bit , watched the movies. As for mortal sin try reading "The First Confession" by Frank O'Connor, great story and all the guilt you want in there

keu

I got a hug off a priest once, told me he was going to meet me in heaven ..and that was after I told him about the drugs.
oh..and then he said your sins are all forgiven..don't be worrying yourself.
lovely chap.

Da_cOmRaDe_MiKe

keu wrote:

I got a hug off a priest once, told me he was going to meet me in heaven ..and that was after I told him about the drugs.
oh..and then he said your sins are all forgiven..don't be worrying yourself.
lovely chap.

erm??

is_that_so

keu wrote:

I got a hug off a priest once, told me he was going to meet me in heaven ..and that was after I told him about the drugs.
oh..and then he said your sins are all forgiven..don't be worrying yourself.
lovely chap.

Exactly, all prodigal son stuff

keu

I've returned home.

DEmeant0r

keu wrote:

I got a hug off a priest once, told me he was going to meet me in heaven ..and that was after I told him about the drugs.
oh..and then he said your sins are all forgiven..don't be worrying yourself.
lovely chap.

I think he was trying to chat you up or something

keu

I was blind, but now I seee..you made a believer out of meee
I'm movin on up now
yea light up the darkness
my love shines on my love shines on my love shines on
I was lost and now I'm found
I believe in you
I got no bounds
I'm movin on up now..yea..harrrr

Alleluyaaah
Amen

(thats just came on the radio conveniently)

pickarooney

Isn't Catholic guilt directly linked to original sin - i.e. even if you've never done anything wrong, you're still guilty because Adam, Eve snake, apple etc.?
The sins of the fathers and all that guff.

keu

I would think "sins of the fathers" would be things like generational "sins"...like the holocaust and such things...?
I''ll probably be corrected by someone from christianity.

pickarooney

Maybe. Only google results I found (after 12 seconds) were about paedophilke priests.

keu

http://www.touched.com/episodeguide/seasonthree/
touched by an angel episode 301 was titled sins of the father...gives a brief description of the plot..
the angels know these things.

(lots about george bush too)

is_that_so

keu wrote:

http://www.touched.com/episodeguide/seasonthree/
touched by an angel episode 301 was titled sins of the father...gives a brief description of the plot..
the angels know these things.

(lots about george bush too)

wonder how you google
Here you go, loads of them
http://www.happinessonline.org/InfectiousGreed/p13.htm

Helps when you know it's a biblical reference

keu

that blue writing is making my eyes go funny. The angels said it better tbh.

Sarky

Rev. Lovejoy: This cult is nothing but a pack of wierd chants and rituals designed to take away the money of fools! Let us say the Lord's Prayer thirty times but first, let's pass the collection plate...

d22ontour

keu wrote:

Catholic Guilt..it's what peadophile priests *feel.

is that what he told you it was called

sheilak

It's when you feel awful about something you may or may not have done, you're not sure when, how or where. If you're a Catholic you know you're going straight to hell for it, but if you're an Atheist you can feel guilty too, if only for not believing in it.

Pet

I thought that it was residual guilt that stays with you about things like sex, drugs, etc, long after you've left the fold? Like you could claim to have rejected Catholicism and all its evil works, but you'd still feel odd about having unmarried sex because it's been drilled into you for years that it's bad?

Bottle_of_Smoke

yeah what pet just said makes sense

keu

I thought that it was residual guilt that stays with you about things like sex, drugs, etc, long after you've left the fold? Like you could claim to have rejected Catholicism and all its evil works, but you'd still feel odd about having unmarried sex because it's been drilled into you for years that it's bad?

thats not far off parental guilt.
As an unmarried mother according to the church my child is the spawn of satan..but I don't worry about that too much, perhaps because my parents accept us.
But what if someone you knew was taking drugs died..and then you felt guilty because of it? Most peoples parents would prefer their children didn't do drugs for that very reason, not because the church doesn't allow it, same with having sex out of wedlock, they don't want to see their childrens lives ruined.
I think the majority of people here tho live by their parents standards and not by catholoic church standards and don't fear going to hell inso much as fearing letting their parents down.
There is guilt and there is catholic guilt.

Hobbes

is_that_so wrote:

wonder how you google

http://www.crosssearch.com/

Mossy Monk

God forgives everyone so we are all safe

now people, go do your evil bidding

simu

Mossy Monk wrote:

God forgives everyone so we are all safe

now people, go do your evil bidding

That's what we got at school too - "sure, if ye mess up, God'll forgive ye, no worries".

Kingsize

its a get out clause used by irish people for any reason they see fit.
i dont think anyone under thirty suffers from it exept possibly brian mcfatten