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ITV FTA decision: Not before April...

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,936 ✭✭✭Brian017


    It was like that the last time I was here :D


  • Moderators, Regional North West Moderators Posts: 19,180 Mod ✭✭✭✭byte
    byte


    Brian017 wrote:
    It was like that the last time I was here :D
    ROFL! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,936 ✭✭✭Brian017


    :D Take a chill pill byte. Relax. Breathe in, breathe out :D lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,578 ✭✭✭JTMan


    ITV have been busy talking to Astra lately about more space on their transponder ...http://www.ses-astra.com/press-info/news/press-releases/04/20040914.shtml ... hmmmm :)

    The more I read about ITV going FTA by Sunday the more I think it will 100% certainly happen ....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭Drag00n79


    Fungus wrote:
    ITV have been busy talking to Astra lately about more space on their transponder ...http://www.ses-astra.com/press-info.../20040914.shtml ... hmmmm

    I don't think ITV showing an interest in acquiring more space on astra's transponder necessarily means ITV going FTA is any more likely.
    I think there still are some ITV regions not currently available on satellite.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,732 ✭✭✭✭DMC


    Yep, the only dual regions there at the moment are Meridian South and East, and Border Scotland and North England. Central West Midlands is there, but not the East, nor is the West of the Anglia region. Some opt-outs in Yorkshire need filling. There may still be the Newbury end of the Meridian region that still needs a look-in too. But its timing, so close to the end of the current encryption deal is interesting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,716 ✭✭✭irishgeo


    the waiting is killing me.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,198 ✭✭✭shabbyroad


    Am I the only person who doesn't actually care about ITV getting onto the EPG?

    I'd much prefer to see BBC3, BBC4 etc on the EPG so I can record them on Sky+


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,867 ✭✭✭Charles Slane


    shabbyroad wrote:
    Am I the only person who doesn't actually care about ITV getting onto the EPG?

    I'd much prefer to see BBC3, BBC4 etc on the EPG so I can record them on Sky+

    Actually there's so little that I watch on ITV1 that I'm not hugely bothered. However I'd really like to have access to ITV2 (those who know me will know why).

    BBC3 and 4 on the EPG would be fantastic. My Sky+ would get plenty of use out of them.


  • Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 9,101 Mod ✭✭✭✭Aquos76


    Actually there's so little that I watch on ITV1 that I'm not hugely bothered. However I'd really like to have access to ITV2 (those who know me will know why).

    BBC3 and 4 on the EPG would be fantastic. My Sky+ would get plenty of use out of them.


    So Charles, for those of us who dont know you, fill us all in....

    Only Kidding


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,732 ✭✭✭✭DMC


    Bottom line on this article... still nobody knows!

    http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcast/story/0,7493,1353753,00.html
    Satellite subscriber battle hinges on ITV

    Jane Martinson and Dan Milmo
    Thursday November 18, 2004
    The Guardian

    ITV and BSkyB are in the final stages of negotiations that could determine whether there is a BBC-backed satellite version of Freeview in the UK. ITV has until this weekend to renew its contract with the pay-TV group governing how and where its services are seen by satellite subscribers.

    At stake is the £17m a year that ITV pays BSkyB to encrypt ITV1 and ITV2 and beam them on to the Sky Digital platform. The ITV channels are scrambled and beamed to 7.4m BSkyB dishes, where the signal enters a set-top box in living rooms. The box unscrambles the signal if it has the correct decryption card inserted.

    BSkyB technology stops satellite viewers in mainland Europe and the Republic of Ireland from picking up ITV broadcasts and ensures that the correct regional service is seen by ITV viewers.

    The negotiations are being keenly watched by the BBC, which wants to launch "Freesat", a satellite broadcasting package for viewers who want more channels than the 30-odd offered by Freeview but refuse to pay a monthly subscription.

    Freeview is backed by the BBC, BSkyB and the transmission company Crown Castle. The BBC took a big step towards setting up its own satellite platform last year when it scrapped its encryption deal with BSkyB, a necessary precursor to setting up a rival service.

    If ITV also tears up its encryption contract, Freesat could become a reality. Freesat would involve buying a self-install set-top box and satellite dish from a retailer. Once installed, the service would provide all the television channels that are not encrypted by BSkyB: some 140 stations, plus dozens of radio services.

    BSkyB and ITV would not talk openly about the contract because negotiations are at such a critical stage. Industry speculation puts BSkyB's latest offer at £13m - £4m less than the current deal - but ITV is holding out for a single-digit figure.

    Price is just one of the issues at stake. ITV must decide between paying for an encrypted service or following the BBC's lead and broadcasting unencrypted, or "in the clear" in industry jargon.

    The benefits of signing another deal with BSkyB are two-fold. First, encryption protects the rights deals for premium programming such as Champions' League football matches, formula one racing and Hollywood films. Second, encryption allows broadcasters to target regional audiences. This is particularly important for ITV as it needs to fulfil its requirements for regional programming under the terms of its broadcasting licences.

    Also, a large chunk of its advertising is targeted at regional audiences, or is derived from regional advertisers. So both advertisers and programme-makers have a vested interest in ensuring that viewers in the central belt of Scotland, for example, receive the right service.

    The BBC faced a similar problem when it quit the Sky Digital platform last year. Under a new deal with BSkyB - which costs several million pounds a year - BBC regional channels still appear on the Sky Digital onscreen channel menu. ITV is expected to strike a similar "regionalisation" deal if its broadcasts become unencrypted.

    Few analysts believe that ITV will continue paying £17m a year to BSkyB for encryption. In a note to investors, Kingsley Wilson, analyst at Investec Securities, said: "We suspect that ITV will... not renew the contract, but even if it re-signs, we would expect the fee to be substantially lower than it currently pays."

    Nursery slope

    BSkyB's own launch of a free service is seen by competitors as a way of deterring the BBC. It is also a "nursery slope" to pay-TV for viewers reluctant to pay for their daily TV fix.

    Following the BBC's decision to trademark "Freesat", BSkyB can only use the term "descriptively" without receiving lawyers' letters. The term, which applies to a service without a monthly charge, is not traceable on its website.

    BSkyB, Europe's largest pay-TV operator, is also doing little to market its free offering. A customer service representative contacted by the Guardian was keen to point out the benefits of all the company's other options, particularly its £19.50-a-month "family pack". He was dismissive of the non-pay offering.

    However, a BBC-backed Freesat could pose a threat. Freeview, which is expected to be in 5m homes by the end of the year, covers only 75% of Britain because reception is too poor in the remaining 25%. This market is to be targeted by Freesat.

    As one broadcasting executive put it: "Basically, 25% of the country - or 6m households - is up for grabs." BSkyB would like to reach some of those homes. It has 7.4 million subscribers and has set an ambitious target of 10 million by 2010.

    The BBC has made no secret of its desire for a "viewer-friendly, non-subscription digital satellite option". The director general, Mark Thompson, also told a parlia mentary select committee last month: "One of the reasons why Freeview works so well is because there are a lot of companies offering boxes, and that's helped drive prices down. We'd like to see that sort of market, where consumers have real choice opening up in free satellite."

    Carolyn Fairbairn, the BBC's director of strategy, has said that Freesat was unlikely to launch until early next year. There will be no further movement until ITV makes up its mind.

    It has put all the preparations in place to broadcast unencrypted. ITV3 and ITV2 have good slots on BSkyB's onscreen channel menu already and ITV1 is guaranteed a berth on 103. Indeed, ITV3, the classics channel showing Inspector Morse and Cracker, broadcasts unencrypted.

    Most importantly, ITV has acted to head off the legal ramifications of going unencrypted. The Astra 2D satellite, which would beam ITV's unencrypted signal, has a tightly defined broadcasting footprint that centres on the UK. However, there is some "overspill" into mainland Europe.

    This is an important issue for Hollywood studios and sports bodies such as Uefa, which sell films and events on a country-by-country basis and do not want broadcasts drifting into different territories. ITV has factored this into recent rights negotiations with media owners, in effect "pre-clearing" the overspill issue.

    Reconciliation

    But there is room for reconciliation. Talks over a new encryption deal have not ended, despite the large gap on price. It is possible that ITV will sign up with BSkyB again. That would still allow ITV to join a new BBC platform, but Freesat viewers would need a decryption card to watch ITV.

    BSkyB would rather keep ITV within its broadcasting fold. It can live without an annual £13m from the terrestrial broadcaster, but does not want the BBC and ITV to form an alliance that would preach the virtues of non-pay satellite TV.

    Freesat could also become a pay-TV rival. If Freesat viewers need a decryption card, then Freesat boxes will have slots that can be used to set up a pay service. A new encryption deal is about much more than money for BSkyB.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 655 ✭✭✭Macy


    This speculation is like smoking, you know it's bad for you but you just can't help it....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 728 ✭✭✭robert muldoon


    DMC wrote:
    Bottom line on this article... still nobody knows!

    http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcast/story/0,7493,1353753,00.html


    My money is on BSkyB doing a deal with ITV,ie still staying encrypted


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭mburke


    I assume that the BBC are trying to get ITV to go FTA and that negotiations are going on there also (combined their freesat service could really damage sky). Unless Sky pay ITV to stay why would they bother ?
    They save 17 million and with regards the regional stuff they could pay sky 2 million similar to BBC.
    At this stage you would just like them to make a decision and get on with it, then again that maybe too much to ask.


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,376 ✭✭✭mike2084


    I'm still plumping for ITV to stay encrypted.

    I wonder if I could find a bookie with odds on this :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Widescreen


    I think ITV will go unencrypted.(FTA) There is a movement at the moment to get out of the clutches of Murdoch started successfully by BBC. ITV has always followed the BBC so why change the habit of a lifetime. All they have to do is strike same EPG deal as BBC did.Just not sure what date this will be effective yet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,353 ✭✭✭✭Tony


    My feeling is that sky will do anything to keep them encrypted but I hope i'm wrong

    Owner: satellite.ie https://satellite.ie/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,212 ✭✭✭✭Tom Dunne


    Tony wrote:
    My feeling is that sky will do anything to keep them encrypted but I hope i'm wrong
    Probably for the first time ever, Tony, but we all hope you are wrong. biggrin.gif


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,353 ✭✭✭✭Tony


    tom dunne wrote:
    Probably for the first time ever, Tony, but we all hope you are wrong. biggrin.gif

    unfortunately for me i've been wrong many times, thats why i'm still single :)

    Owner: satellite.ie https://satellite.ie/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭Furp


    I really hope ITV ditch the encryption and as a bonus us sky users over here getting it.

    Although I think the tables have turned and sky need to give them one hell of a deal to keep them encrypted.


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  • Subscribers Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭TCP/IP


    A friend of mine is working in UTV in the UK and even though he is not high up as in board level the rumour going around UTV is that it is not going to be unencrepted

    Sorry lads,

    If i hear anything else i will let you know


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 655 ✭✭✭Macy


    TCP/IP wrote:
    A friend of mine is working in UTV in the UK and even though he is not high up as in board level the rumour going around UTV is that it is not going to be unencrepted
    UTV or the ITV network?


  • Subscribers Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭TCP/IP


    ITV sorry i just consider them all the same


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 234 ✭✭Colm80


    I would not belive what comes out from UTV. I will wait for ITV to say which way there going to go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,732 ✭✭✭✭DMC


    Thanks TCP/IP, but only the board of ITV plc really know what is going to happen, while only telling or advising UTV, SMG or Channel of their decisions. I would say UTV staff are as in the dark as the rest of us!

    We will have to know something today, and looking at how late the decision to do a deal over GSkyB, PLUS and ITV... I dont think we will be waiting tomorrow for a press release....


  • Subscribers Posts: 3,705 ✭✭✭TCP/IP


    well i can say is please let my mate be wrong i so want to have ITV1 and ITV2 then its bye bye NTL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭Round Cable


    TCP/IP wrote:
    well i can say is please let my mate be wrong i so want to have ITV1 and ITV2 then its bye bye NTL

    I'll be joining you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,123 ✭✭✭Widescreen


    Another clear indicator as to ITV1/2 going FTA is the ITV3 launch as a FTA channel. Surely if it wasn't going to happen ITV3 would either have been in the Family Pack(as PLUS was) or at least FTV like ITV 1.
    :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81 ✭✭bazza


    Just FYI folks - http://www.itvplc.com/ is the page to watch - they've got a 'latest news' section on there. http://www.itv.com seems to be just program information and little else in the way of corporate news.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,936 ✭✭✭Brian017


    This is like waiting for Santy Clause to come :D


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