Is dublin a kip??

Kobie · 17-05-2004 01:01PM

OK, OK, I heard you the first time.

:rolleyes:

17-05-2004 01:11PM

Definetly a Kip. Lived there for a year. Great Nightlife, but theres way too much scum walking the streets. Fearful for my life? Not really. I'm from Athlone originally and I've seen alot worse, but I'd be very wary of who's on the streets around me.

Slutmonkey57b · 17-05-2004 01:48PM

More police on the streets of Belfast = not a kip?

I think you'll find that the reason there are so many police on the streets of Belfast is precicely BECAUSE it's such a kip it's populated by psychotic terrorist drug running bombers. It wasn't that long ago it was the army on the streets. Personally, seeing the army on the streets doesn't make me think "Oh what a lovely sense of safety. How clever and pre-emptivly planned having the army on the streets is, just on the off chance there might be some totally random act of violence. I'm sure it's not a BIG FAT SIGN THERES SOMETHING WRONG. No."

Dublin is a total kip. It's less of a kip than Limerick or Cork, but that's saying precisely nothing. And newcastle? You must be joking. Fat geordie slags gagging on chips every night of the week? No thanks. Dublin may be a cultural wasteland but compared to the North of England it's Babylon.

DrEvil · 17-05-2004 02:28PM

it's not like most of them even give a sh1t about the charity they're working for, they're all students attracted by the pretty good wage these charities pay.

what do you base this on? i've collected a few times for charties in town and was never paid once and neither were anyone else doing it

Borzoi · 17-05-2004 04:09PM

Part of the problem is our police force.

Coming out of a restaurant in Melbourne, in the car part was a mouth 16yr old, my cousin, an off-duty cop, went over to him. Turns out the kid has a knife, he's arrested and 5mins later the cop car comes and takes him away.

Compared to O'Connel St, where I've seen bottles land between me and a group of gards 10ft further on. Having seen who through it (Btw from outside DrQuirkes to the median strip) they ignored them. So what message does this send?

pork99 · 17-05-2004 07:48PM

Originally posted by Minesajackdaniels
I think Dublin needs to seriously get its act together. There's a political element in Ireland who firmly believe that this "Ireland of the welcomes" crap excuses a lot of really inexcusable elements of the city. I've lived in a few cities, Dublin included, for long periods of time and I really think the place is a shambles.

Misdirected public spending because of a government who don't listen to public opinion. (If we didn't have one spike in Dublin perhaps we could have spent something on the heroin problem and have no spikes in Dublin at all!)

And it's just not "fine" to take this utterly farcical "Paddy off de boat" mentality and joke about it when things aren't done properly. The port tunnel's the wrong size, oh "dey'll just have te build smaller lorries!" It's a city surrounded by two-lane motorways with impressively wide central reserves ("Oh! Paddy I wonder who we'll give the contract to to widen dis road in foive years?")

And everybody bitches about the country, the price of everything, and the politicians, all of the time. "How badly this country is being run" is generally not one of the top-ten topics of pub conversation in other major cities.

You are right on the money there. Especially with regard to planning. Corrupt planning = bad planning.

I'm from Dublin, lived here most of my life and I don't think I would live anywhere else. But that is because my roots are here; friends, family etc. I know that objectively there are better places to live but I'm too settled here to think of living anywhere else.

It's interesting to get the opinions of foreigners. Some Russians told me that they find the place fairly dirty and derelict with crappy roads. I did tell them that it was much worse a few years ago. Apparently in Moscow if you leave a building derelict & empty there you start having to pay extra tax on it. The longer it's derelict the more tax you pay. (Maybe that's only on main streets or something though - I have seen photos of Moscow were it looked pretty shabby.)

Some Canadians told me that there was indeed a "Serious lack of non-alcoholic activities". One Canadian - he'd lived in LA before he came to Dublin - thought Dublin is rough but "fist fight rough, not drive-by shooting rough"

In my own experience I've only been hassled two or three times (so far!). Once when I was I student I was walking down Summerhill towards Parnell St. at about 10.30 in the evening (not a good idea) and I saw two young skangers in doorway. As I passed them the younger one came towards me and said "wha' toime is ih'". I noticed as he said this that he was taking a screwdriver out of his coat pocket. The second guy was sort of moving to back him up. I said "half ten" and kept walking. I put my forearm up to block the blow I was expecting - I knew if I stopped I would be dead-meat

. I just kept going - he was shouting after me "I'll f*ckhin' burst ya'". Vermin.

On a couple of occasions I've been randomly punched in the face by drunks but they were too drunk to do me any harm.

One thing that keeps comong up is the lack of cops on the streets especially at night on weekends. Especially Temple Bar. There should be riot equipped units on standby there to clear up the streets after 12 on Friday & Saturday nights.

I know a few people who have been mugged for their phones on the same street over the space of a few years. Maybe theres a pattern there? If I'm aware of it through anecdotal evidence why aren't the Gardai out there running sting operations to round up the thieving scumbags? Once they are rounded up I would build a camp for them on one of these uninhabited Blasket Islands

drop them off there & forget about them

quank · 17-05-2004 08:49PM

Originally posted by Kingp35
I read over the weekend that 80% of peole are afraid to walk through dublin city at night for fear of being mugged.

80%... very close to the poll

Slutmonkey57b · 18-05-2004 09:44AM

On the Port Tunnel point, it has to be pointed out it ISNT the wrong size - the haulage association are bitching about it being too wide for some of the super-trucks used in the states and Australia, which they don't use here and never have, and never will (there's no economic advantage is using trucks that size in a country as tiny as this). In fact said lorries are too big to drive on Irish roads once they got outside the city anyway. So while a lot of things about the city are cr@p, that's not one of them I'm afraid.

hamsterboy · 18-05-2004 10:11AM

Used to live in Dublin and now living in Galway.
I sooooooo feel safer walking the streets in Galway.
In Dublin, my apart was broken into twice and one of those times the guy cut himself breakin our window and he was a known HIV sufferer, there was blood everywhere and it took them 2 days to make it safe.
Dublin is now just a cess pool and is only goin to get worse. There's very little that can be done about it as the amount of white thrash in the place is growing expedentially. When cities get to be as big a Dublin, these problems are faced and it's up to those in power to try to tackle them. Unfortunately, in this country, those in power are just money hungry muppets who couldn,t give a toss about anyone but themselves.
Hey, that's a great definition of a politician!

Stark · 18-05-2004 10:15AM

What do they do in other countries to tackle the problem? Didn't know the problem could be tackled. (since we're not allowed sterilize people

).

eth0_ · 18-05-2004 10:16AM

Originally posted by Slutmonkey57b
More police on the streets of Belfast = not a kip?

I think you'll find that the reason there are so many police on the streets of Belfast is precicely BECAUSE it's such a kip it's populated by psychotic terrorist drug running bombers. It wasn't that long ago it was the army on the streets. Personally, seeing the army on the streets doesn't make me think "Oh what a lovely sense of safety. How clever and pre-emptivly planned having the army on the streets is, just on the off chance there might be some totally random act of violence. I'm sure it's not a BIG FAT SIGN THERES SOMETHING WRONG. No."

Erm...when was the last time you were in Belfast, mate? I'm from there and I went back last Autumn to work there and I only just moved back down south, I was working in the city centre and I never saw the army during the day apart from when the banks are having money delivered (but that happens in Dublin too), and once or twice at night. Now having lived there in the 80's and 90's, where there were army patrols outside my school all day, this is a BIG difference

AS for Newcastle...hahah! Newcastle is a kip too. I'd say Bristol and Oxford are the nicest cities in England myself.

tHE vAGGABOND · 18-05-2004 11:18AM

I currently live in London too, but I would not say dublin is any less safe than here, or america or anywhere. If you are walking home at 3am, other people will be sh1tfaced, and as Robert DeNiro said anyway..

all the animals come out at night

I have never been worried about my safety, your always used to be safe in town as the 4000 people queing for a taxi would keep an eye out for you

What does bother me a small bit about Dublin is that, as someone said earlier, it always seems a bit dirty and indeed there is **** all to do at night that does not involve booze. Over here all business pay rates, and then get their rubbish collected every evening, and public bins get emptied every day, streets get cleaned with those big usless road cleaning things twice a week - and it does seem cleaner. It never bothered me when I was at home, but going home now and seeing the state of O'Connell street at 4 or 5pm now its a bit mad!

That said, Dublin is still the most fun city in the world

Sleepy · 18-05-2004 12:11PM

We don't need to sterilize anybody. Just lock them up for their crimes. A zero tolerance approach towards scumbags keeps them locked up in prison. This prevents them from breeding. Cogito Ergo Sum.

ixoy · 18-05-2004 12:12PM

I live in the city centre and have never had any trouble going home on any night. I'll generally walk down the quays, across the Liffey at Tara St. station, and down around by Bus Aras. Hardly ever encountered anyone, let alone trouble. In fact I've rarely seen any fights either (mayhaps because I avoid Temple Bar). I was mugged, once, but it was a case of my phone being snatched from my hand as I talked on it by some scumbag on a bike (may he die in pain). Whilst I wouldn't go so far as to say that I feel safe in the streets of this city, I don't feel that scared either and I am far from an intimidating figure...

Kingp35 · 19-05-2004 08:08AM

i do feel safe in the city but there are way too many scumbags around in Dublin. Its some sort of epidemic where they travel in packs as well and its this that gives dublin a bad name. The guards should do more to stop these people doing muggings and stuff and cctv cameras should be put up around the town as this would make the scum alt more wary. Other cities take this approach and it seems to work well.

Dublin just seems to want to ignore this problem and somthing should be done about it soon

ionapaul · 19-05-2004 07:00PM

There will be more and more skangers in Dublin with each generation - they outbreed the middle- and upper-classes with ease. See many 16-21 year old kids of doctors, lawyers, business owners, professors running around with a child of their own? Didn't think so. See many tracksuit and massive hooped earring wearing girls on O'Connell St. pushing babies around? Thought so.

If I were the dictator of Ireland (I am sure everyone has thought about this and the changes they would make), every lad with a 'tash under the age of 30 = bullet in the head. Same crackdown on crime as in Singapore (never felt as safe on the streets as Singapore, felt I could run around with 1000 euro in my hands and nothing would happen), you vandalise a car, throw a bottle against a wall, throw a punch at someone = publicly caned and jailed for at least 6 months. If you continue to have children without being able to support them (not using the state's largess) = forced sterilisation. Corrupt politicians = jailed (though really no need to politicians if I were dictator, after all

). Ok some of the above is too extreme, but you get my drift. Dublin is currently the hell-hole of Ireland, hopefully something can be done in the near future to improve things.

EKRIUQ · 19-05-2004 08:15PM

Heres what the tourists think of Dublin

Surprised I was

tinkerbell · 19-05-2004 09:23PM

Oh dearie me!!

Sure I suppose the tourists think Dublin rawwks is coz they don't have to live in it! (Guess tiz the same in every city really)

I think tiz hilarious to see people takin photos of the spike. Although I do have to say they have improved the look of O'Connell Street a hell of a lot this year - they seem to be making it more Champs-Eylsses-ish.

I'm from the country and granted I didn't particularly love my hometown coz the place was rather dead, I much prefer it to Dublin. Dublin is smelly, dirty, full of filthy knackers who'd rob you for fifty cent, the traffic is crap, the air is polluted, the place is over-crowded, tiz overly priced, oh the list could go on!!!

I really appreciate it when I go home now, at least my lungs get some clean fresh air into them now and again when I do go back home!!

Sleepy · 19-05-2004 10:02PM

O Connell Street is starting to look quite respectable alright. Now if we could just sort out the scumbag problem we'd be away in a hack...

Ellesmere · 20-05-2004 05:21PM

The pulse of class consciousness is alive and well. Sterilisation? expulsion? extermination? Hitler would be proud. No, dublin can't all be Gucci wearing beautiful people on Grafton Street and Ross O'Carroll-Kelly types buying cappucinos for extortionate prices. Don't hate people because they wear big gold loopy earrings or have whispy little moustaches. They are part of dublin's culture and long may they remain so. :cool:

The Beer Baron · 20-05-2004 08:51PM

The word Kip doesn't do Dublin justice,
does anyone have a word that says, "Obnoxious, arrogant, hostile, over-priced, over-rated, warren of filth, populated with yuppies, junkies and scum that was built upon an open sewer and should be carpet bombed by a squadron of B-52's dropping VX gas." in just one word?

Oh wait, there already is a word- Dublin.

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ionapaul · 20-05-2004 08:54PM

A lot of things are part of world culture...doesn't mean they are worth keeping around. Female circumcision, child sex, extreme violence, etc all have their place in different cultures...proving your manhood by drinking till you puke is part of our culture.

Sleepy · 20-05-2004 09:07PM

Originally posted by Ellesmere
The pulse of class consciousness is alive and well. Sterilisation? expulsion? extermination? Hitler would be proud. No, dublin can't all be Gucci wearing beautiful people on Grafton Street and Ross O'Carroll-Kelly types buying cappucinos for extortionate prices. Don't hate people because they wear big gold loopy earrings or have whispy little moustaches. They are part of dublin's culture and long may they remain so. :cool:

There's no need to castrate the "Gucci wearing beautiful people" they come with built in contraception: their personalities.

If wanting people to be capable of living in society makes me a Nazi, sign me up.

Kingp35 · 21-05-2004 10:31AM

Don't hate people because they wear big gold loopy earrings or have whispy little moustaches.

Why not it these people that give dublin a bad name, don give a **** about it, wreck the place and cause the majority of trouble. Ah but we should all lovethem really.

proving your manhood by drinking till you puke is part of our culture.

Here Here

adonis · 21-05-2004 08:02PM

part of our culture ? ?

sure it is, but ive been to cities in spain where the same thing happens. summer feria malaga, and it was middle aged women who were doing it.

You culchies just dont know how to live in a city, thats all.

Dublin is a fast growing modern capital city, thats trying to find some kind of new identidy. Dont dislike it because its expensive, things are expensive everywhere in ireland...
And all those people giving out about the government ? do they not run the rest of ireland too ? The majority of TD's (i would say) are from outside the capital. They are also messing up the country, with the freedom of planning permission and the lack of urban centralisation in rural ireland.

On an earlier point, every city is dirty, and dublin, (barring sunday morning) is a relatively tidy and well kept city. Madrid, amsterdam, barcelona, all cities that are dirtier than dublin.

And sorry, cars are going to make smoke..now woh knows how to burn hydrogen to power cars...

Go Back To The Bog and drive your diesel tractor.

adonis · 21-05-2004 08:05PM

oh oh on our culture:

their are many other things that our culture is famous for:

Music, Literature and art...

if you omly choose to highlight that as part of our culture then you are pretty blinkered, or advocate this kind of behaviour

Sleepy · 21-05-2004 08:09PM

Jesus, I thought Ross O' Carroll Kelly was a fictitional character, I didn't know he posted on boards.ie :rolleyes:

adonis · 21-05-2004 08:11PM

who is ross o carroll kelly?

joe_chicken · 21-05-2004 09:30PM

i love Dublin!

all that **** about Dublin being a "wanna be" Newcastle/London/Paris is bull****!!!

wtf.... a city is a city, it doesnt have wants!

the people in a city make it what it is

yeah sure there are scumbags but at least they dont have guns!

it may be dirty, it may be grafitti riddled, but its mine

because of the irish 'dont make a fuss about it' type attitude.

you gotta love us!

ionapaul · 21-05-2004 09:39PM

Adonis, when I mentioned in Ireland drinking till you puke was part of the culture, it wasn't 'cause I thought it is a good thing! It was because an earlier poster mentioned that the scumbags were part of Dublin's culture, so therefore should be left alone. I was just pointing out that the world, and us too in Ireland, have elements to our culture that are pretty disgusting, and just because they are part of the culture, we don't need to stand back from criticising or trying to change them!
You are right that we have some great literature, art, and music. I definitely don't advocate drinking till you puke! I think it is fairly retarded and very pathetic, and I am sure most board members think the same.
Now back to my bog to drive my tractor...:) I've lived in far bigger cities than Dublin, but maybe you are right, I don't know how to live in (as we all say around here) 'the Big Smoke'!!

Is dublin a kip??

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