I'm not a Catholic - get my name off that list!

Our man in Havana · 08-04-2004 12:18PM

Is it not sufficent to just denonce the church in a public place to be booted out?

sceptre · 09-04-2004 12:42AM

Originally posted by Bond-James Bond
Is it not sufficent to just denonce the church in a public place to be booted out?

Kind of - see my first post up the page. Excommunication isn't the same as being booted out though.

As for Dappergent's sugggestion, I had written, "pausing to have sex with a few nuns" but took it out on taste grounds. (ditto with my "Penguins aren't nice without chips" comment, oops).

daveJAM · 09-04-2004 09:27PM

I dont think it'd be possible to have you're name taken off the list. Perhaps it would be reasonable to have the record updated to indicate that you no longer wish to be associated with the church though.

After all, maybe its possible to be "unbaptised" but it's definately impossible to not be baptised in the first place if you've already been baptised.

The record record's something that happened and regardless of how you feel about it, you can't change the fact that it actually happened.

Our man in Havana · 09-04-2004 10:36PM

I wonder if you could sue your parents for baptising you against your will? You could join the church as an accessory before during and after the fact. LOL

DerekD Goldfish · 09-04-2004 11:24PM

how i get ex-communicated from the church?

Apparantly not sure how true this is after a mass suicide in Italy a couple of years back the police investegated and found the only connection was they were all wargamers. The pope claimed these games were un-christian so ex-comunicated all wargamers. So go hang out with some nerds for a few hours and play warhammer of whatever.

KlodaX · 11-04-2004 12:59PM

Anyway, why not throw a big party some night, celebrating your current beliefs

please don't rip the piss out of me Mr_Angry. Its offensive.

a self proclaimed "non-practicing catholic" ... informs me that I am the same as her. As my name is registered with the church I am a catholic, but I don't believe in that so this makes me a non-practicing catholic.

I just don't want to be labeled. Probably too much to ask from this society.

pork99 · 11-04-2004 01:27PM

Surely what counts is what you put on the census?

Baptism record is, to my mind, no more than a record of who was baptised and when. Not a reliable record of who actually is a practising Catholic.

mr_angry · 11-04-2004 01:31PM

Originally posted by KlodaX
please don't rip the piss out of me Mr_Angry. Its offensive.

a self proclaimed "non-practicing catholic" ... informs me that I am the same as her. As my name is registered with the church I am a catholic, but I don't believe in that so this makes me a non-practicing catholic.

I just don't want to be labeled. Probably too much to ask from this society.

Sorry - I didn't mean any offence by it. What I wanted to point out was that maybe celebrating your current beliefs more pro-actively would send out a clearer message to people than retro-actively having your name removed from church records? And are you sure your friend isn't just winding you up over this? If she doesn't take your word for it... ... ... well, it seems a bit strange.

pork99 · 11-04-2004 03:43PM

but I don't believe in that so this makes me a non-practicing catholic

Surely even being a non-practising Catholic involves accepting dogma such as pregnant virgins, divine flesh biscuits, infalible geriatric Poles and other such notions?

Arucard · 11-04-2004 04:36PM

Originally posted by sceptre
Easiest way is to give someone an abortion. Paying for it isn't enough - you actually have to carry out the procedure. An ordinary bishop can excommunicate you for this.

You could also kidnap a woman with a view to forcing her into marriage, force a woman to enter a monastery (both of these fall under the Council of Trent), join the Catholic Italian Society for the restoration of the rights of the Christian and especially of the Roman people (but you'll have to get the pope to specifically tell you you're excommunicated for this one), steal a relic from the catacombs in Rome (again, down to the pope), proclaim and propagate the teachings of Martin Luther (specifically the 41 "errors" condemned by Leo the tenth)and Michael Baius, fight a duel (hey, you'll even enjoy it but the pope has to condemn it), join the Masons, break into a convent, sell a few indulgences (but only if you manage to sell them after 1564 - before that everyone was doing it), join a different church that doesn't recognise the extreme right of the pope, kill a cardinal, kill a bishop or papal nuncio, drive a bishop from his diocese, forge an apostolic letter, have sex with a nun, burn down a church or invade the Vatican (most of the last 10 or so things are reserved for the pope to condemn and excommunicate you for). Before about 1830 you could be done for lending money for interest but usury was removed as an excommunicable offence. Pity really, that one was always the easiest way.

I'd run with the Martin Luther thing. Get yourelf a copy of his theses, er, I mean heresies, some nails and a hammer. Nail them to the door of your local church, then proclaim the corrupt nature of the church before driving the bishop out of town, kill the cardinal when he comes for a look, not forgetting to break into the monastery, before completing your rampage by burning down the church. You'll be excommunicated severely in no time.

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@deathfunk
That tritone ban is long gone I'm afraid. Shame really, as otherwise getting excommunicated would be as simple as singing "Maria" from West Side Story in tune. Ditto the edict saying that women who entered the Bussaco Forest in Portugal would be excommunicated. It was once a lot easier.

duly noted, expect to see me on the news in no time

MAD MAN NAILS THINGAMIJIGGY TO LOCAL CHURCH, INVOLVES NUDITY!
....you know, for the fun of it, nudity, always good......

KlodaX · 11-04-2004 08:04PM

Originally posted by pork99
Surely even being a non-practising Catholic involves accepting dogma such as pregnant virgins, divine flesh biscuits, infalible geriatric Poles and other such notions?

true. I wouldn't consider myself a non-practising catholic.

Sorry - I didn't mean any offence by it. What I wanted to point out was that maybe celebrating your current beliefs more pro-actively would send out a clearer message to people than retro-actively having your name removed from church records? And are you sure your friend isn't just winding you up over this? If she doesn't take your word for it... ... ... well, it seems a bit strange.

no offence taken

... I do celebrate my own personal beliefs in my own wee way. I'm sending out a message though.. its no one elses business. Its not a big deal my name being registered with the church .. but if I had the choice I would like it removed or changed... like a little black dot put beside the records of people who asked to be removed.

My friend isn't winding me up... don't think so anyway .. she seemed pretty serious. Ask her yourself ... you know who I'm talking about.

sceptre · 11-04-2004 10:17PM

Originally posted by KlodaX
a self proclaimed "non-practicing catholic" ... informs me that I am the same as her. As my name is registered with the church I am a catholic, but I don't believe in that so this makes me a non-practicing catholic.

And if Milhouse said he was jumping off a cliff would you believe him? You're a Catholic if you want to be a Catholic. If you don't want to be you're not. If you want to be a "non-practising Catholic" you can be that if you want to be. Whatever the Catholic Church thinks you are is irrelevant. You're your own person aren't you? If you tie your own shoes every morning you get to say "yes" to that. Assume your friend is an idiot who doesn't know what she's talking about. She doesn't.

Look at it this way - you're in the position where you think the Catholic church is a load of rubbish. Why would their opinion of what you are actually matter?

chewy · 11-04-2004 11:09PM

cos they claim to still have you as a follower, and use that to say there not so bad and its okay for them not to come clean on the abuse cases

i don't blame the entire church for the abuse cases but i won't have time for any of them until they put up their hands and do more to sort it out rather then continuing to hide the guilty

and make the tax payers pay the compo

KlodaX · 11-04-2004 11:14PM

Originally posted by sceptre
And if Milhouse said he was jumping off a cliff would you believe him? You're a Catholic if you want to be a Catholic. If you don't want to be you're not. If you want to be a "non-practising Catholic" you can be that if you want to be. Whatever the Catholic Church thinks you are is irrelevant. You're your own person aren't you? If you tie your own shoes every morning you get to say "yes" to that. Assume your friend is an idiot who doesn't know what she's talking about. She doesn't.

Look at it this way - you're in the position where you think the Catholic church is a load of rubbish. Why would their opinion of what you are actually matter?

cause I don't think "the Catholic church is a load of rubbish" ... I respect other people's beliefs.

I'm just askin for a little respect in return.

Yes I am my own person. It's not my point of view I'm trying to change. There actually are .. believe it or not.. very small minded people out there that believe if I'm 'registered' with the church .. then I am apart of it. I can't change the way they think ... but if I could ... I'd unregister myself with the church.

I'm not a Catholic - get my name off that list!

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