Smoking Ban - who has broken it

Johnny Versace · 05-04-2004 02:00PM

People who think the smoking ban is unfair are not thinking rationally. Or else are simply...incredibly selfish.

TacT · 05-04-2004 02:03PM

Originally posted by one-angry-dwarf
It's such a pity the right to not be poisoned by some childish selfish smoker isn't respected.

Bottom line: You have the right to smoke. I have the right to breathe fresh air. My right is more important since it doesnt harm you at all. There is no argument against the smoking ban.

Only about as selfish as the non-smokers when you see some of the arguments put forward....

Johnny Versace · 05-04-2004 02:06PM

The smoking ban makes perfect sense. Yes, it's a pain in the hole, even for a non-smoker like me, having my friends leaving me every 10 minutes when I'm in the pub, but non-smokers should not be forced to inhale cancer causing smoke from smokers! It's pretty simple!

Doctor J · 05-04-2004 02:06PM

Originally posted by TacT
DoctorJ you're telling us to exercise our vote, it seems only fair you tell me - Did anybody know what this nanny state was going to do before they were voted into power - to take a small example - the smoking ban? let's say for a minute we did, do you think we would have voted for them?

I didn't vote for them. I would never vote for them. I've seen enough of their lies in the past to know they're a shower of c*nts. Sadly, too many people still voted for them. My point is that a lot of people are complaining about FF and what they've done but really, what else did you expect from them?

It's not enough to just vote against them, do whatever you can to make sure they're not voted in again. Take an active interest in politics, rather than have things go against you and then whine about it on the internet. Get stuck in, make things happen the way you want them to happen. The system is being manipulated by them, why can't you manipulate it your way?

Why let the sneaky b*stards have it their own way all the time?

Really, for everyone here who is whining about their right to smoke being taken away, what are you actually going to do about it?

DapperGent · 05-04-2004 02:08PM

Originally posted by Johnny Versace
The smoking ban makes perfect sense. Yes, it's a pain in the hole, even for a non-smoker like me, having my friends leaving me every 10 minutes when I'm in the pub, but non-smokers should not be forced to inhale cancer causing smoke from smokers! It's pretty simple!

What if they are not forced but do so because they choose to? I don't think the previous arrangement was much good either but to be honest a blanket ban is just as unfair.

Johnny Versace · 05-04-2004 02:10PM

Originally posted by Doctor J
Really, for everyone here who is whining about their right to smoke being taken away, what are you actually going to do about it?

We got rid of British rule because we never gave up - now we're a bunch of pussies who won't do anything about anything.

It's sad.

seamus · 05-04-2004 02:15PM

I've yet to meet one smoker who disagreed with it (saying it on the internet doesn't count). It's probably just those who disagree that are shouting the loudest.

IMO, it's generally a good idea, but rushed through, and not properly thought out. It was a political exercise rather than a humanitarian one.

However, I can see individual cases being reviewed over the next 12 months, and some more exemptions being included, as well as a better definition of the whole law, and a relaxing on enforcement.

Better to rush through the legislation than spend years with law students poring over books and doing essays, trying to tweak an unimplemented law to include every scenario.

A facility for certain places to apply for yearly exemption licences would have been a sane idea though.

Drinking in pubs now is great. No smoke, fresh air, able to smell all the dirty bastards around you. Maybe now there'll be no more watching your BO-afflicted mate score some girl and thinking "How the hell did that dirty bastard pull her?!"

TacT · 05-04-2004 02:25PM

DoctorJ, you still didn't answer my question, nice bit of beating around the bush though. Taking an active interest in politics is not going to stop us from voting in a government that will implement things such as the smoking ban because we all know only too well that such things only seem to happen once they get into power, get out of it!

Dustaz · 05-04-2004 02:46PM

Originally posted by seamus
I've yet to meet one smoker who disagreed with it (saying it on the internet doesn't count). It's probably just those who disagree that are shouting the loudest.

Actually, im yet to meet one non-smoker who was 100% in favour of the current implementation. Most nonsmokers seem to be of the same opinion as yourself seamus which is a sane "surely theres room for compromise here".

As ive said before, the 'no smoke in the workplace' ban is one i dont really have a problem with. I just think there should be exceptions with certain pubs being one of them (and enclosed smoking areas in airports another - waiting that extra hour after a 5 hour long haul flight is just not funny)

Doctor J · 05-04-2004 02:53PM

Originally posted by TacT
DoctorJ, you still didn't answer my question, nice bit of beating around the bush though. Taking an active interest in politics is not going to stop us from voting in a government that will implement things such as the smoking ban because we all know only too well that such things only seem to happen once they get into power, get out of it!

I thought I did. Can I forsee exact specific hidden policies of different parties?

No, I am not a clairvoyant.

However, it doesn't take a genius to examine Fianna Fail's track record and guess that they're going to screw the people in some way.

I didn't for a second think they'd allow US warplanes use our airports outside of official UN business and wipe their arse with our neutrality, but I'm not surprised. When have Fianna Fail ever listened to the will of the people? We voted against the Nice treaty too and they shoved it back down our throats by scaring people into voting for it. I will do whatever I can to see they never get into power again. So, at the end of the day, I put it back to you.

What are you going to do about it?

Sleepy · 05-04-2004 05:01PM

Originally posted by RossFixxxed
So there, we have figured out, go back to bed Ireland, your government has figured out how it all transpired. Go back to bed Ireland, you government is in control again. Here, here's American Gladiators. Watch this, shut up! Go back to bed Ireland, here's American Gladiators. Here's 56 channels of it. Watch these pituitary retards bang their ****in skulls together and congratulate you on living in the land of freedom. Here you go Ireland, you are free, to do as we tell you, you are free, to do as we tell you.

ROFL.

Sleepy · 05-04-2004 05:10PM

Originally posted by Doctor J
Use your vote wisely.

I did, millions of others bought the lies, I suffer their ignorance. This is why we need meritocracy instead of democracy.

Originally posted by TacT
Who knew the nanny state voted into power was going to enforce a smoking ban before they voted?

I'd say a very select handful of Fianna Failers (I refuse to use the fáda, the names much more appropriate without it). Can't you just imagine Bertie rubbing his sweaty palms together in glee as he was dreaming about raping the voters once more with shoddily strung together legaleze?

Originally posted by Doctor J
It's not enough to just vote against them

Unfortunately I'd be arrested for killing every card carrying FF'er in the country. It's apparently still genocide even if the victims haven't the braincells to realise it.

castie · 05-04-2004 05:12PM

OMG did tact just say he was cycling down a dual carriageway QUICK someone ring 911

ixoy · 05-04-2004 05:14PM

Originally posted by TacT
DoctorJ you're telling us to exercise our vote, it seems only fair you tell me - Did anybody know what this nanny state was going to do before they were voted into power - to take a small example - the smoking ban? let's say for a minute we did, do you think we would have voted for them?

TacT are you of the opinion that every decision for the people should be decided by the people? Are you of the opinon all laws should be as the majority want, even if they're in the interest of a particular minority (at the incovenience of a different minority)? Understandably they're not going to be transparent about a controversial issue - that doesn't make that issue invalid though. If some US government had disclosed its intention to implement the right to give black people the vote, they mightn't have got in either. Doesn't make it a bad measure either nor should it automatically have been one the people got a vote on.

seamus · 05-04-2004 05:21PM

Originally posted by -=Castaway=-
OMG did tact just say he was cycling down a dual carriageway QUICK someone ring 911

...
What?

Sleepy · 05-04-2004 05:25PM

Originally posted by ixoy
TacT are you of the opinion that every decision for the people should be decided by the people? Are you of the opinon all laws should be as the majority want, even if they're in the interest of a particular minority (at the incovenience of a different minority)? Understandably they're not going to be transparent about a controversial issue - that doesn't make that issue invalid though. If some US government had disclosed its intention to implement the right to give black people the vote, they mightn't have got in either. Doesn't make it a bad measure either nor should it automatically have been one the people got a vote on.

You've a fair point, democracy is a flawed system but surely until we have some kind of enforceable system of intelectual meritocracy it's the best system we have? I don't believe that lying to win an election and then passing laws that wouldn't have won a majority vote if put to referendum counts as honest, accountable or even good government.

neXus9 · 05-04-2004 05:33PM

Originally posted by Dustaz
Im confused. The militant non-smokers here are saying they have the right to a non-smoking atmosphere and will report people for breaking that right anywhere they see it, for fear of an instant coronary.

Yet they are also saying that smoking AND non-smoking pubs wont work because "ah, sure we will end up going to the smoking pubs to keep the peace"

Err, Courage of your convictions?

They won't work because a lot of pub owners won't take the risk of opening non smoker pubs because potentially losing a lot of customers. Most of the popular pubs would decide to still be smoking pubs and so when it comes to the non smokers, they have a limited choice aswell as having to divide a group into smoker and non smoker. My main reason why this won't work is because of the segregation aspect of it. I'm in a village with only two pubs. If those two pubs are smoking ones, then i have to hop on a bus for a 15 min journey (and most of my friends are local anyway).

The non smokers will end up having to search around for pubs that are non smoking ones (which would be very few).

Sleepy · 05-04-2004 05:41PM

It could work by offering tax breaks and lower licencing costs to non-smoking pubs.

TacT · 05-04-2004 06:19PM

Castaway - wtf? I've been happily cycling around Dublin city/suburbs since I lost my stabilisers as a wee laddy and have thankfully never had a serious accident but I do take offence to your smokey cars and will have them all banned when I'm elected into power due to the intoxicating fumes they put into my lungs every day in a public place!

DoctorJ - The same thing I've done about it in every election to date - not vote for FF but that still doesn't make **** of a difference does it? No, so just give it over with the what are you going to do about it and use your power to vote crap because it's irrelevant.

Ixoy - No but some issues definitely should be..

neXus9 · 05-04-2004 06:39PM

Originally posted by Sleepy
It could work by offering tax breaks and lower licencing costs to non-smoking pubs.

Yeah, maybe. I still can see the charges of the pints going up in non smoker pubs to 'compensate' for the lost smoking customers. There gonna say "If you want to have a clean enviroment, you have to pay for it".

It would be good if the pint prices went down in non smoking pubs to attract more people, but I doubt this would happen.

It would be a pain though, if you had a bunch of mates going to the same club/pub for years, and then you realise that this is going to stay a smokers one, and having to move away from your enviroment that you've grown around. Having to coax your friends to non smoker pubs.

uberwolf · 05-04-2004 07:27PM

Originally posted by -=Castaway=-
OMG did tact just say he was cycling down a dual carriageway QUICK someone ring 911

em, thats legal.

TwoShedsJackson · 06-04-2004 10:01AM

Originally posted by Ph3n0m
Well me for one - was out last night and I did light up in he pub I was in - did anyone complain - nope: did anyone else light up - nope

funny that, was sure the smoking police would come in and beat me down with herbal baths and deep cleansers - oh well must have been a rumour then

Sleepy · 06-04-2004 10:33AM

Anyone else read that Bono was apparently flouting this law during the Grand National in a Dublin pub?

TwoShedsJackson · 06-04-2004 12:23PM

Originally posted by Sleepy
Anyone else read that Bono was apparently flouting this law during the Grand National in a Dublin pub?

Bono is ABOVE TEH LAW!!!1 Us mere mortals have to realise this.

Paddy20 · 06-04-2004 03:37PM

neXus9,

Re; Your Photo Sig ?.

This is a bit off subject, but could I just bring to you attention the fact that the horrible photograph that you are using at the bottom of your posts is giving me Nightmares

P. :ninja:

Mossy Monk · 06-04-2004 04:27PM

not a fan of the Aphex Twins Paddy?

Paddy20 · 06-04-2004 05:33PM

Never heard of them, and if they look like that. Well, certainly not. Doubt if they are meant for oldies like me anyway.

If my hair was not already white. It now would be after being confronted by that photographic abomination

P. :ninja:

neXus9 · 06-04-2004 06:53PM

well don't download 'windowlicker' from aphex twin then, or the vid 'come to daddy' (you're tempted now aren't you!!!):p

Paddy20 · 06-04-2004 07:53PM

Are you insane ?..

Are you sure thats not a picture of you above. :eek:

P. :ninja:

Bard · 06-04-2004 07:59PM

Smoking ban eh?

Broken it? No.

Enjoyed the benefits of it? Yes.

Enforced it? Yep, 'fraid so.

Smoking Ban - who has broken it

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