yay smoke free!!!!!!!!!!1

smemon · 30-03-2004 06:08PM

alcohol doesnt kill you or damage you in any way if consumed in right amounts. smoking does.

thats why smoking has to be frozen out. if people aren't clever enough to see their killing themselves, the government is stepping in and doing you's a favour.

again we must stop this 'cool' thing attached to smokers. they are in the wrong, they are doing wrong (although not legally unfortunately), therefore they should be punished.

answer me this smokers- why did you start smoking and what are the benefits of it??

Big Ears · 30-03-2004 06:11PM

Lets remember this law is here to protect workers .

eirebhoy · 30-03-2004 06:21PM

I can't believe that people like Dustaz and Big Chief are so angry about this ban. It's your choice to smoke and its our choice not to smoke, before this ban came in you weren't given the non-smokers a choice, if they went to the pub they were forced to inhale smoke.

I was watching RTE news last night and a girl was asked if she will go out side to have a smoke, she said: "no, I'll just give them up". A lot of woman are actually saying this. Pubs are were a lot of people take up smoking so think of the future generations rather than being so selfish.

smemon · 30-03-2004 06:33PM

Originally posted by eirebhoy
I can't believe that people like Dustaz and Big Chief are so angry about this ban. It's your choice to smoke and its our choice not to smoke, before this ban came in you weren't given the non-smokers a choice, if they went to the pub they were forced to inhale smoke.

I was watching RTE news last night and a girl was asked if she will go out side to have a smoke, she said: "no, I'll just give them up". A lot of woman are actually saying this. Pubs are were a lot of people take up smoking so think of the future generations rather than being so selfish.

agreed. theres nothing better than a nice clean refreshing atmosphere. i hate going into smokey places , it feels so smaller and like a coal mine. also, i hate it when people smoke not caring if it goes into anyone's face.

i know i as a child didnt like pubs mainly because of the smoke, plus i was asthmatic. if we want a cleaner greener ireland, this is the way to go.

Mouserat · 30-03-2004 07:01PM

You people have this all completely arse-ways.

People were already free to ban smoking in pubs before this - in fact there was a smoke free bar in Galway for a year or two. It went back to smoking, and why?
Because none of you who are cheering this ban felt strongly enough about it to give them your custom. So if you don't feel strongly enough to keep one freaking pub open in a city the size of galway then you have automatically forfeited your right to enforce your will on the third of us that do smoke (I don't, by the way).

Newsflash: YOU'RE ALL GOING TO DIE ANYWAY

If you're really worried about carcinogens then you should put more effort into legislating food additives, vehicle emissions, hell, what goes into your shampoo? I sure as hell don't trust it. But *that's* not taking away enjoyment from people that annoy you because they're so damn cavalier about life, and thats the root of it.

Bloody puritans. What the hells happened to this country? You'd swear it was being run by californians.

Guy:Incognito · 30-03-2004 07:02PM

non smokers are right and smokers are the devils helpers, thats just the way it is

Dustaz · 30-03-2004 07:03PM

Originally posted by smemon
alcohol doesnt kill you or damage you in any way if consumed in right amounts. smoking does.

Er, yes it does.

again we must stop this 'cool' thing attached to smokers. they are in the wrong, they are doing wrong (although not legally unfortunately), therefore they should be punished.

What are you talking about? They are in the wrong? They should be punished?

What people do is up to themselves, and only themselves.

I think you are wrong for infecting the population with your twisted attidude and i think you should be punished for it. Am I allowed say that?

answer me this smokers- why did you start smoking and what are the benefits of it?? [/B]

There are no benefits whatsoever. As i have said a multidude of times , i think they should be banned. However, i became addicted during a time where the government didnt care about the populations health as much as they clearly do now and all i ask is the time to give up on my own terms. I have paid enough money in taxes to allow this.

Guy:Incognito · 30-03-2004 07:06PM

there is a difference with alcohol and smoking, alcohol will only harm the drinkers health and each person is free to damage themselves if they like, no-1 else care, but smoking damages the people around u so thats a different issue

Dustaz · 30-03-2004 07:09PM

Originally posted by eirebhoy
I can't believe that people like Dustaz and Big Chief are so angry about this ban. It's your choice to smoke and its our choice not to smoke, before this ban came in you weren't given the non-smokers a choice, if they went to the pub they were forced to inhale smoke.

No, the publicans and government were not giving people a choice bu not providing or legislating for non-smoking areas. Dont pin this on us. We have happilly adapted to the various rules over the last 10 or 15 years with no fuss.

What we are annoyed about is that even though we were willing to give and take with regards to buses, long haul flights, cinemas and most public places up untill this point, there was absolutly NO exceptions made for common sense.

Easy exceptions such as seperate smoking rooms, Smoking licenses. These would have given smokers some time to get used to the law.

This is what really is annoying most smokers. Unfortunatly, Michael Martin and some boards users only see in black and white.

I was watching RTE news last night and a girl was asked if she will go out side to have a smoke, she said: "no, I'll just give them up". A lot of woman are actually saying this. Pubs are were a lot of people take up smoking so think of the future generations rather than being so selfish. [/B]

Right, she said shes going to give up , so she will. sure.

Lawnkiller · 30-03-2004 07:29PM

yey - no smoking present in my local fav. last nite.

I think its great. The classic arguement from smokers of 'sure, there's more pollutants in the air out by the road'(I'm sure there is, but not in the quantities where someone is smoking right next to you in the bar and you can't breathe with all the smoke...<rant over>) can go into the same bin with 'yer baby talkers will kill you' and 'background radiation from natural sources is going to kill you'.

NEWS FLASH: I'm less likely to die of emphysema now than before just cos I like to go out on a Saturday Night.

Mouserat · 30-03-2004 07:36PM

What about people that work in dangerous jobs in coal mines or the steel industry?
Should we ban coal from coal mines? The workers are free to quit, or set up a non-smoking bar for all the like-minded puritans out there.

There was no reason smoking rooms could not be allowed.
What if a large group of smokers want to set up a bar especially for smokers, where all the workers smoke? Will it be like a speakeasy and they will be raided by the untouchables?

Its the nanny state pissing all over your civil liberties, and just because you don't smoke you think it's OK. (I have to repeat this, because some people apparantley refuse to believe it: I don't smoke)
I see a lot of people on this board tend to be of the opinion that although it'd never be banned because it's too popular, if it wasn't so popular then beer should also be banned.
Let me be clear about this: that is stamping out culture because it is different to your own. I bet if half of these hand-wringing paternalists heard that some tree-hugging crowd of natives from the rain-forest were having their ritual peace pipe banned by the brazilian government they'd be up in arms waving banners and writing to the guardian, but because its a local they think they know better and can tell them how to live their lives.

Read my earlier post about what happened the non-smoking bar in Galway and explain what was wrong with letting people decide for themselves whether they wanted to go to a non-smoking bar or a smoking bar please? Don't trust yourselves do you?

Lawnkiller · 30-03-2004 07:42PM

Read my earlier post about what happened the non-smoking bar in Galway and explain what was wrong with letting people decide for themselves whether they wanted to go to a non-smoking bar or a smoking bar please? Don't trust yourselves do you?

I didn't fancy the three and half hour trip to galway of a Saturday Night.

Mouserat · 30-03-2004 07:46PM

Don't try and wriggle out of that one with a flip remark.
You all say you wanted smoke free bars: great, so do I.

Whats wrong with also letting people who want them to
have smoke-filled bars?

All answers from first principles please.

Supercell · 30-03-2004 07:48PM

As a smoker , have to say I don't like it, but can understand it.

Personally, wouldn't mind if the government just banned smoking here altogether.

I hate the fact that I smoke, I hate that my cloths smell of smoke, I hate that my willpower isn't strong enough to stay off them.

Ban smoking altogether I say....I want to stop smoking!

Dustaz · 30-03-2004 07:54PM

Originally posted by Lawnkiller
I didn't fancy the three and half hour trip to galway of a Saturday Night.

Your obviously one of the many people that care so much about their health that they left the non-smoking sections in a few bars totally empty.

Guy:Incognito · 30-03-2004 07:59PM

specific smoke free pubs wont work. if people r going out in a group and half smoke, what will happen. either a) everyone is forced to go to one r the other pub which will annoy 1 set of people r b) the group splits in 2 which defeats the purpose of them going out together.

Plaus if everyone is forced to go with the smokers the smoke free bars will go under and that will be unfair, same thing cud happen tghe other way round

Ronan|Raven · 30-03-2004 08:00PM

Seems to me the pub failed in Galway as it was the only one that was smoke free. As a result people werent gona go in there with mates who would like to smoke and whom both parties wanted to remain in the same pub. Now we have a level playing field of no smoking in any pub. No doubht this interpetation of the pub changing back to smoking is to simplistic I shall go home and write a 20 page reply post haste!

Lawnkiller · 30-03-2004 08:01PM

Barman is not considered a 'hazardous occupation' like mercenary, North Sea Oilrig Maintenance Diver or Busdriver. It is not insured as such and is not paid as such. And yet, after many years of loyal service, bar people can end up with serious illnesses from passive smoking(assuming they are non-smokers to start with of course).

I'm sure smoking rooms are a nice idea and I see some pubs have already come up with alterantives in an attempt to adapt to the changing times(i.e. Johnny Fox's - the smoking bus, where staff are not permitted but smokers are free to light up).

Some friends of mine have lived in places where smoking was banned in pubs and restaurants and after a while it just became socially unacceptable to do so.

And don't try to wriggle out of this one with some 'Nanny state/civil liberties' remark. Just get over it!

:rolleyes:

p.s. Dustaz, there were no non-smoking sections in pubs in my area. Never have been - until now....

Mouserat · 30-03-2004 08:04PM

So - your argument is that the irish were too embarassed to ask their smoking friends to step outside the non-smoking pub, so instead they make all pubs non-smoking so that they can blame the state instead of taking responsibility for their own opinions?

Well, thats a perfectly good reason to ban an entire country from having a place to go for a drink and a smoke, isn't it?

Lawnkiller · 30-03-2004 08:12PM

Originally posted by Mouserat
So - your argument is that the irish were too embarassed to ask their smoking friends to step outside the non-smoking pub, so instead they make all pubs non-smoking so that they can blame the state instead of taking responsibility for their own opinions?

Well, thats a perfectly good reason to ban an entire country from having a place to go for a drink and a smoke, isn't it?

Nope.

I've told my friends to stop smokig in face if it bothered me but you can't really tell drunk complete strangers likewise(unless u fancy a good beating). I gave up reading your very long sentence after that because you stopped making sense to me. Smoking is a chemical addiction but you seem to have it confused with 'the right to protest'(figure of speech before you get all literal on meh).

I'm bored now - bye.

krattapopov · 30-03-2004 08:18PM

im glad that the ban on smoking in work places has been implemented imo it is long overdue, i find smoking to be a revolting habit and too much smoke in a room can make me physically sick.

i am thouroughly looking forward to my first night out and not having smoke fill the room, ill feel alot better in the morning im sure

Dustaz · 30-03-2004 08:25PM

Originally posted by Stekelly
specific smoke free pubs wont work. if people r going out in a group and half smoke, what will happen. either a) everyone is forced to go to one r the other pub which will annoy 1 set of people r b) the group splits in 2 which defeats the purpose of them going out together.

Plaus if everyone is forced to go with the smokers the smoke free bars will go under and that will be unfair, same thing cud happen tghe other way round

So essentially what you are saying is that you are against choice?

Bottle_of_Smoke · 30-03-2004 08:33PM

people will just get used to it
like in england where at closing time they take your pint out of your hand

Paddy20 · 30-03-2004 08:42PM

Stekelly,

Quote; " Alcohol will only effect the drinkers health " end quote. I really wish that were true.

Alcohol abuse detrimentally effects at least 7 other innocent individuals including children associated with the drinker

.

As for the 'smoking ban', just wait for the honeymoon period and novelty factor to wear off. Then the real anger, frustration and detrimental economic realities will start to kick in and some if not many rural Pubs will close.

As usual the people of Ireland are being conned by the media and the Fianna Fail government.

Get real, and wake up.

P. :ninja:

Guy:Incognito · 30-03-2004 08:57PM

paddy,

the point i was making was that the specific act of drinking alcohol was only harming the drink, the knock on effect is a whole other issue, thats the irresonsibility of the drinker.

And to the poster who asked if i am against choice, inm this particular instance its a case of all or nothing, otherwise there will be peoplegiving out about there pub losing money and looking for conpensation for being smokeless etc.

I am very pro choice, but some issue need to be decided for us, if it were put to a vote the outcome wud depend on the % of the turnout that was smokers Vs non smokers. its like the north, the outcome of any vote will depend on the ratio of catholic:protestant. so non smokers wud never have a choice to protect their health is they were in a minority and i believe that on health issues it shud not nessecarily be majority rules if the other partys health is not adversly affected by the rule, and in this case it is IMPROVING the health of everyone so that cant be a bad thing

smemon · 30-03-2004 10:42PM

smoking is wrong and bad, everything we're taught not to do. so why do people smoke? 1st of all because its legal. 2nd, out of pure spite against everyone just because its bad for you, 3rd because they get addicted after a harmless 'trial'.

smoking will never be completely kicked out so long as it's legal despite everyone knowing it kills. so it should be banned altogether if we want to save lives which some individuals dont (although i know deep down they do).

someone said we're all gona die anyway. if thats the case why not abolish speeding limits, legalise all drugs, guns and release all prisoners. you simply cant have what you want. your all still free to smoke away at home so i dont see what all the fuss is about.

what has happened here is a big bully has come along and took a lollipop out of your left hand but you still have one in the right. you'll winge, kick up a racket, nobody will come and help and you'll then get over it in a while.

spudster101 · 31-03-2004 08:30PM

So - your argument is that the irish were too embarassed to ask their smoking friends to step outside the non-smoking pub, so instead they make all pubs non-smoking so that they can blame the state instead of taking responsibility for their own opinions?

Yes i can see it now. "Please m8 go outside with that flith.
Ill talk to ya out through the window.

ShaneHogan · 31-03-2004 11:45PM

Originally posted by Mouserat
So - your argument is that the irish were too embarassed to ask their smoking friends to step outside the non-smoking pub, so instead they make all pubs non-smoking so that they can blame the state instead of taking responsibility for their own opinions?

Well, thats a perfectly good reason to ban an entire country from having a place to go for a drink and a smoke, isn't it?

No - The arguement is that the vast majority of smokers were too ignorant and selfish to bother showing any concern for the health of those around them to voluntarily keep their smoke to themselves, so we need legislation to enforce what really just be just good manners instead.

Supercell · 17-02-2005 10:34PM

Thank you smoking ban ..i am a non smoker since new years eve..the last 19 or so new years eves i was back on the fags by now..this ban helped me beat the addiction

JackKelly · 17-02-2005 10:41PM

OMG!!!11!lol,dis it 4M teh last YEARRR!11!one!

yay smoke free!!!!!!!!!!1

Comments