Smoker's Petition

seanybiker · 25-03-2004 07:09PM

im going to smoke anyways **** that. what if i pay a tenner to get into a disco then i go outside and have me fag, go to come back in and the dozey bouncer say's you didnt pay to get in cough up or go home. its a load of crap if you ask me, espesially not leaving truck drivers smoke. i dunno,

Panda · 25-03-2004 07:14PM

Yah right, she might make 50,000 but its not enough.
You cant stop progress.

Also despite the loss the government might see when smokers arnt paying the ridiculous taxes, it will even out eventually due to the huge amount of money they pay out to cover the cost of cancer treatments and surgery.

Hopefully both tax and cancer rates will drop off.

quank · 25-03-2004 07:35PM

my god.... a petition..... a bit late isnt it?
anyway... smokers are jokers as faust said earlier

NeoSlicerZ · 25-03-2004 07:37PM

afaik there's around 5 million people in Ireland now.

As for the smoking ban, i'm really looking forward to it. There's nothing as bad as working in a restaurant and a table of people light up, smells horrible, gives me asthmatic symptoms and makes the meal less enjoyable.

Smoking ban includes all public areas, EXCEPT the street. I believe that dedicated smoking rooms won't really work, there is no real way of making sure that the smoke doesn't go outside other than pressurising everything outside the room.

Araniell · 26-03-2004 01:24AM

Now answer how smoking in a company car is going to kill anyone other than the smoker in a private car,

Well, as long as the driver is also a smoker and doesn't mind you lighting up. Surely your not proposing to smoke while driving ?:p

kiffer · 26-03-2004 02:28AM

Originally posted by seanybiker
im going to smoke anyways **** that.

um please see my earlier post. if you smoke near me in a pub or club I will give you two choices ... can of fart gas in the face or (removed cause I felt it was too much).
at least these wont give you cancer.

show some level of concern for other people ffs.

"Hello, here have some cancer because I cant stop smoking."
"It's my right to kill you slowly."
"I like to suck tar and smoke in to my lungs and so should you."
"Um of course it makes sense that I have a right to do some thing that makes me feel good, even if it anoyes you. here have more cancer."

And yet if I ware to Mace you I'd be guilty of assalt...

I'm going to buy some cans of fart gas in the joke shop before monday.
any one I see smoking in my work or the pub will be asked to put it out nicly ... once ... if they dont ... and I dont mean finish it and then put it out, I mean stop smoking it and put it out right away ... I'd feel ok about spraying them with fart gas.

there is no reason for them to be anoyed by this.
because
1.) It does'nt really bother anyone, or cause any health problems...
2.) It's only a joke / bit of fun...
3.) I find it funny / enjoyable...
4.) Sure it does'nt smell that bad...

stop your whinging you anti fart gas people.

please note even I consider the water pistol plan abit crazy, but still think about it ... it's no where near as bad for you as smoke...

ArphaRima · 26-03-2004 03:18AM

Kiffer, you are definitely not older than 15.

But seriously. Laws need to be reasonable.
If impractical laws like this one keep getting passed, then I can see equivalent laws being passed on the roads, in the streets etc.

How about no driving within 2 miles of a school- that way no kid will ever get involved in a motor accident near schools.

15 mph on all roads. No more fatal accidents.

Or ration all food. That way no-one will ever get fat.

All problems have a solution. All solutions will make someone happy. We just need to find ones that society can live with on a day to day basis. Pressure/lobby groups and politicians trying to get votes will always go for the hard-hitting extremes. The public should be the moderators.

I believe that dedicated smoking rooms won't really work, there is no real way of making sure that the smoke doesn't go outside other than pressurising everything outside the room.

Come on now. Are you going to drop on your knees and choke (not literally) because you can smell tobacco from 20 metres away? I would love to see a scientific survey prove that the smell of tobacco will give you cancer.

RossFixxxed · 26-03-2004 09:13AM

I should be charging you people for my second hand smoke. I had to pay for those.

thejuggler · 26-03-2004 10:35AM

Does anyone know if the laws apply to trains? IE will there be no more "smoking carriages" I hope they do.

Doctor J · 26-03-2004 10:39AM

Sure, someone's gotta work in the carriage (even if it's just the ticket inspector and the goodie-trolly, so there'll be no smoking on trains too, if I read the law correctly.

RossFixxxed · 26-03-2004 10:40AM

I hope there'll be more no alcohol pubs. I'm sick of all the trouble people drinking causes me. No more booze. I have a right not to have drunks around me. I'm in the right, I'm judgemental and self opinionated.

Doctor J · 26-03-2004 10:58AM

When someone drinks vodka, you don't have to drink vodka too. The worm has turned, my smokey friend, and Ouroboros is eating his own tail at last. Look man, most of the time you're not smoking anyway cos you need clean air to survive, just get over it. I don't care how much you smoke, you can do what you want with your own health, but now my right not to breathe your smoke in the course of my daily activites has been recognised. Get over it.

RossFixxxed · 26-03-2004 11:07AM

I gotta put up with their aggro. I'm saying I should be able to CHOSE. It's the attitude of people that they're soooo right that's annoying me.

Get over it.

Doctor J · 26-03-2004 11:30AM

It's nothing to do with being "sooooooooo right", it's that I (and many others) simply find the smell of smoke disgusting. I hate it. It hurts my eyes and I really hate my clothes stinking of it. Now, finally, I can go to a pub or a restaurant without having to breathe that poxy smell. I can enjoy myself. Of course, I'm going to celebrate the fact. Most people are getting the wrong end of the stick. The bill is being put in place to protect the health of workers who haven't had the right to choose thus far. The fact that it encompasses pubs is just a small part of the bill but the one most people are getting antsy about. The fact is, your smoke is killing other people. The bill is there to protect the other people. Is that a bad thing? I don't think so. People have a right to earn a wage without their health being affected. If you can't recognise that then you really have got to think logically about this situation. The fact that the awful stink will be removed from places I go to is just a personal bonus. It's not about being in the right, for me it's just that I will have to endure something I find disgusting less frequently. I don't care if you smoke. I don't care what you do with your life. You have a right to do what you want with your life. Now your choices will effect other people less. What is wrong with that?

Mr E · 26-03-2004 11:33AM

Well said, Doctor J.

2nd hand smoke kills. Smoke stinks. Ireland will be a better place on Monday. Get over it.

RossFixxxed · 26-03-2004 12:39PM

DoctorrJ: Firstly thanks for a polite post. Well put and I can see your point, I just feel that there may be a better compromise. If I had a good solution I'd be on to the minister right now.

Also the workplace thing is a bit over the top. I work in an office and we now can't smoke in the car park. The car park has no real walls and is basically outdoors with a roof (it stands on poles). It's a little extreme. There's NO second hand smoke in a situation like that.

If you don't like the smoke, there should be a NON smoking pub for you to go to. And I can go to my cancer pub and enjoy a fag and a drink. Doesn't that seem fair? Let people vote with their pocket and all that. Plenty of publicans smoke I'm sure and wouln't mind working.

I personally don't mind going outside, if it's raining I might stay in, or I might nip out.
Ireland will be a better place? With 50 people standing out in on the street at every pub with drink on them. You're a genius. Why didn't I see that? *slaps forehead*

projectmayhem · 26-03-2004 12:44PM

smokers die of cancer. non-smokers don't want to. so don't feed non-smokers your smoke. don't like the smoking ban? get some cans and go home to smoke...

Doctor J · 26-03-2004 01:07PM

The issue isn't about pubs. The issue is that eveyone has a right to work in a safe environment. Pubs need staff. People need jobs. It's a workers right to be in the safest cleanest environment possible. It's not like people can pick and choose their dream job at the moment. I can appreciate you being bummed about this law, but the issue is public health. You've made your decision to smoke and nobody can deny you the right. Just when you smoke, so do loads of other people around you. The smoking pub and non-smoking pub can't work for the simple fact that if a smoking worker decides to quit smoking, they then have a right to a clean air environment. Must they then quit their job or could they take their employer to court? An employer who doesn't now provide a clean working environment is liable to prosecution and litigation by their own staff, regardless of the type of business.

spudster101 · 26-03-2004 01:19PM

The one thing that pisses me off with secondary smoke inhalation in pubs(besides the fact its slowly killin me)is it makes me incredible sleepy and I cant enjoy myself as much as i want to.

kiffer · 26-03-2004 01:28PM

Originally posted by fluffer
Kiffer, you are definitely not older than 15.

either that or its vey late at night ...
so late at night that perfectly reasonanble people become personaly insulting.
either that or the points made in my post or rather attempted to make,
are infact the attatude of many smokers (and the poster that I was replying to in particular) ...
"I like it, I want to keep doing it, I dont care that you have to get it too."

which is indeed very childish, your right.

But seriously. Laws need to be reasonable.
If impractical laws like this one keep getting passed, then I can see equivalent laws being passed on the roads, in the streets etc.

It's not Impractical for the majority of the public.
Smoking areas in pubs and the work place would be unworkable in a lot of situations,
Where I work we have a Smoking and a non smoking area... the whole place gets very very smoky and customers ask if there is a non smoking area they can move to...

I'm sorry your in the nonsmoking area...
oh well...
then they finish up and leave.
I have to stay there for 8 hours.

now Imagine a pub ...

half the bar is no-smoking half is smoking...
first the smoke will go allover the place.
second as the night goes on drunk smokers will wander into the non smoking section.

it's pretty unreasonable if you ask me.

The public should be the moderators

yes, and you point? I'll moderate anyone who smokes ... as I said before ...

Come on now. Are you going to drop on your knees and choke (not literally) because you can smell tobacco from 20 metres away? I would love to see a scientific survey prove that the smell of tobacco will give you cancer.

what are you talking about 20m? I'm talking about smoke so thick you cant see 20m.(not literally)
Come on now.Its not like you'll get the jitters just cause you cant smoke for 20mins is it...
Working in a smoke area is more likly to give a non smoker cancer than working in a smoke free one.

having glanced back at your post I see the quote from someone elses post about sealed smoking areas and the smell comment makes more sense now.

I am glad that there are exceptions to this law.
I agrea that the car park that has been mentioned is open air, if it has no walls, or has no roof ...
I'm not anti-smoker in the Bill Hicks sense. I'm just a non-smoker who hates working/dancing/breathing your crud.

kiffer · 26-03-2004 01:34PM

Originally posted by RossFixxxed
I should be charging you people for my second hand smoke. I had to pay for those.

I chose not to participate with this Time Limited Offer.

You're product is defective and fails to meet safty standards please begin a product recall.

also my dry cleaning bill is in the post.

zervi2003 · 26-03-2004 01:42PM

Ye are all a bunch of wingers and ye all sound so boring and righteous about this topic.

Smokers are people too just like nonsmokers and as nonsmokers will now have facilities to go have a drink, smokers should be provided with the same facilities-not isolated on a street freezing your arse off.

Publicans should have a choice to enter this non-smoking ban or not and I can see this happening in the future due to loss of trade.

People over here dont realise what will happen.

I was in NY recently and pubs over there are a disaster/alot closed down.

So while "Mary" who now works in her smoke free environment will be happy about not smelling smoke in her hair, she'll be out of a job in a few months

kiffer · 26-03-2004 01:47PM

Originally posted by RossFixxxed

Also the workplace thing is a bit over the top. I work in an office and we now can't smoke in the car park. The car park has no real walls and is basically outdoors with a roof (it stands on poles). It's a little extreme. There's NO second hand smoke in a situation like that.

I would call that an un inclosed area ... it has a roof but no walls, smoke away.

If you don't like the smoke, there should be a NON smoking pub for you to go to. And I can go to my cancer pub and enjoy a fag and a drink. Doesn't that seem fair? Let people vote with their pocket and all that. Plenty of publicans smoke I'm sure and wouln't mind working.

Sure, I'd go for that if they had ohh say cheaper licences for non-smoking pubs but saddly this is not a ban on smoking in pubs.

I personally don't mind going outside, if it's raining I might stay in, or I might nip out.
Ireland will be a better place? With 50 people standing out in on the street at every pub with drink on them. You're a genius. Why didn't I see that? *slaps forehead*

Thank you for a nice polite post...

Doctor J · 26-03-2004 01:53PM

The same thing keeps coming up. This is a workplace ban, not just a pub smoking ban. Not just your workplace, someone elses workplace too. While you're enjoying your drink and your smoke someone else is trying to earn a wage. They have a right to not smoke, same as everyone else. Now the law recognises that. They no longer have to breathe toxic fumes while they work. How can anyone object to that? Is it correct that someone should be exposed to carcinogens just because they need money to live?

SantaHoe · 26-03-2004 01:53PM

Ah I have to laugh at the people who're all worried about how second hand smoke is effecting their health while they kill their liver and increase their chances of stroke by binge drinking.
"oh I'm thinking of my health, I'm a non-smoker I'll never die"
You'll all have your turn when alcohol is the next big health boogy-man.
What about the cost of running A&E wards on a friday/saturday night and the cost of extra policing and wasted hours in court over public disorder etc.
How much does that cost?

Speaking of which, what about beer gardains?
Yeah technically it's a place of work, but the levels of exposure outdoors can't be much worse than walking through town with both smokers and heavy traffic.

I don't care about this partial ban on smoking, since - (A) I've never had a job where you could smoke inside, so that changes nothing - and (B) I don't drink very often anyway, so I won't notice.
I'm thrilled to see all these binge drinking slags torn between their booze and their smoke.

I can see an alarming rise in knacker-drinking among the older age groups though... our parks will be the new nightclubs.
Sales of dry-ice machines and strobe lights are set to sky-rocket, you heard it here first tbh.

kiffer · 26-03-2004 01:55PM

Originally posted by zervi2003
Ye are all a bunch of wingers

whingers?
yes, I whinge all the time ... people who know me know this.
Smokers are only up set about this becaue they know that they cant go a night without smoking, cause they'll get the jitters ... boo hoo hoo, I cant smoke.

thats the long nd short of it.
right to choose? you waved that right when you started smoking ... you dont choose to smoke. you are an addict.

This will be my last post on this thread for at least 24hours, as I'm getting bitchy and I dont like it.

See I can show some self control... just a little.

zervi2003 · 26-03-2004 02:02PM

Kiffer

And what would you know about smoking as you are a devine "non-smoker"!?

So will you pay the barmaids dole when she is out of a job cause the bar she works in cant afford to keep going?

once and for all smoking should be allowed in pubs. if someone working there complains then send them off to the job centre.

As one of the guys wrote above in another post, wait until the shoe is one the other foot and drink is banned. Oh then ye will understand.

Doctor J · 26-03-2004 02:09PM

What's all this about drink being banned? Nothing has been banned by this bill. It is a restriction, nothing more. You are still free to smoke all you want, as much as your addiction tells you you must, but you are no longer permitted to poison someone else while they work and have been previously been forced to endure this crap. How come all this whining centres on pubs? You're not allowed smoke in the gym, in the deli, in the butchers, in the restaurant, in the cinema, in the take-away, etc etc etc....

A pub is a workplace. The staff have a right to clean air. It's really very simple.

SantaHoe · 26-03-2004 02:17PM

Originally posted by Doctor J
Nothing has been banned by this bill.

Well it's touted as a "ban on smoking in the workplace", granted it's not a blanket ban on smoking, but I don't recall anyone saying it was.

IgnatiusJRiley · 26-03-2004 02:17PM

Originally posted by zervi2003
As one of the guys wrote above in another post, wait until the shoe is one the other foot and drink is banned. Oh then ye will understand.

*Ahem*
Not the same thing.
Your smoke kills other people. This is why it will be banned.
The aspects of drinking that affect the health of others have been illegal for ages, e.g. Drink-driving. So finally smoking has caught up

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