Women - Know your place!!

Jam · 21-03-2004 12:01AM

Didn't some lass invent kevlar? Saved countless lives and the like.

Bungalow Bill · 21-03-2004 12:05AM

Originally posted by Sarky
As soon as they get the chance to lead major countries and their armies, I'm fully confident they'll be at least as evil, ruthless and devious as their male counterparts. That opportunity arguement works both ways, you know...

Except for a couple of days every month where the world may end:p

Auburn · 21-03-2004 12:07AM

What about Ada Byron, writer of the first computer program?

What about Grace Hopper, inventor of the modern subroutine in programming, she also coined the term "computer bug"?

Just because female inventors aren't as well known, doesn't mean that they don't exist. Anyways, what are you insinuating by your question, dirty_latino??

Auburn · 21-03-2004 12:11AM

Originally posted by sionnach
I vaguely remember a story of a french female mathematician in the late middle ages being burnt as a witch......

Yep, that would be Maria Agnesi.... apparently women with intelligence didn't go down too well back then

sionnach · 21-03-2004 12:16AM

Originally posted by Auburn
Yep, that would be Maria Agnesi.... apparently women with intelligence didn't go down too well back then

good times......good times.......

joePC · 21-03-2004 12:23AM

Make-up (I think)

I know, its a real sad one, ahhhhhhhh well.........

Auburn · 21-03-2004 12:26AM

Originally posted by sionnach
good times......good times.......

Why? Does it make you feel threatened?

dirty_latino · 21-03-2004 12:37AM

Originally posted by Auburn
Why? Does it make you feel threatened?

you seem to feel threatened by the suggestion that the male brain is better suited to creative thought than the female brain.

Civilian_Target · 21-03-2004 12:45AM

They invented stuff to make life in the kitchen easier. Like:

Ironing Boards
Dishwasher
Rolling Pin
Chocolate Chip Cookies

and for the one that tried to get away

The Fire Escape

Joking by the way, I'm not really a horrible sexist who believes all women should be chained to the sink (although it would be useful

)

Capt'n Midnight · 21-03-2004 12:49AM

Originally posted by Chad ghostal
the bra..

No that was invented by a man - first one was made from a pocket hankie - lets hope it was clean.

Patenting something does not mean you invented it. At present half of all patents challanged are overturned. In the US Donald Trump is trying to Trademark the phrase "you're fired" even though there is some evidence to suppose it was used earlier - eg: several million times in 1929 alone (and that was over 70 years ago.)

Ada wrote the first program, woppie do for, so you are telling me that Babbage who devised this machine didn't have any idea of how it could be used... (does anyone have a copy of the program and has it been run on the reproduction of Babbages machine ?)

So what exactly did Pandora invent ?

Auburn · 21-03-2004 01:58AM

Originally posted by dirty_latino
you seem to feel threatened by the suggestion that the male brain is better suited to creative thought than the female brain.

Ooooooook.....

1. Was I talking to you?
2. Where exactly do i seem to be threatened? If you are referring to my previous post, I was joking, that's generally why people use smilies.
3. Where exactly did you make that suggestion?
4. What facts do you have to back up your theory?
5. Creativity does not have anything to do with having patents / inventions attributed to a person.

The title of the thread suggests that you think women shouldn't be involved in scientific invention. Why?

mr_angry · 21-03-2004 02:41AM

Originally posted by Auburn
Ooooooook.....

1. Was I talking to you?
2. Where exactly do i seem to be threatened? If you are referring to my previous post, I was joking, that's generally why people use smilies.
3. Where exactly did you make that suggestion?
4. What facts do you have to back up your theory?
5. Creativity does not have anything to do with having patents / inventions attributed to a person.

The title of the thread suggests that you think women shouldn't be involved in scientific invention. Why?

1. my thread - YES
2. smilies are a thinly layered defence mechanism
3. everywhere
4. scientific research that proved this
5. loser excuse!!

mr_angry · 21-03-2004 02:44AM

ooops - last post was actually by dirty_latino from my computer!!

naitkris · 21-03-2004 03:01AM

interesing thread.

one important thing to remember though is that women have had it very hard for thousands of years and been treated as second class citizens, and this just doesn't go away because of a few decades of improved equal rights.

i think that the problem lies not with the laws stating women's rights to equal pay, education etc. but with the way in which every female is born with the history of a "woman's place in society" embedded into her brain from her very birth. it's like for us men being told of what kind of job we should have when we grow up (i.e. fireman etc.) and what we shouldn't have as a job (i.e. nurse etc.), purely based on the fact that we're born a male. this is in my opinion why there are so few male nurses compared to female for example, the same may in theory appliy to why women have invented very little compared to men, as such an area (inventing things) has been the sole territory of men for thousands of years and women have been told so ever since they were born.

also there may be very little "ground breaking" inventions left for women to leave their mark with, i find it hard to see many new inventions as ground breaking as the wheel, flight etc. coming anytime soon from either a man or woman

no matter how great we men think we are, we wouldn't be here today were it not for women. also looking in the way things are progressing in terms of test tube babies etc., women may soon no longer have a need for us :-(

us men could be an "endangered sex" if we're not careful..

GuanYin · 21-03-2004 03:13AM

Originally posted by mr_angry
ooops - last post was actually by dirty_latino from my computer!!

A likely story!

bizmark · 21-03-2004 03:13AM

we wouldn't be here today were it not for women.

and women wouldnt be here today were it not for men

also looking in the way things are progressing in terms of test tube babies etc., women may soon no longer have a need for us

Er that goes both way's isnt there a womb in devolpment somewhere ?

us men could be an "endangered sex" if we're not careful..

"If we're not careful" WTF careful about what ....."er love no you are fat and that dress looks horrible" .......What she going to do genocide on 3 billion people ?

FFS i hate threads like this pointless and full of thinly hidden hate for each other and threats of one "side" killing off the other "side" at some future date it’s like ****ing sci fi ...........what a lovely society we have built over the last few years eh

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GuanYin · 21-03-2004 03:24AM

Actually there is no scientific proof to show that women are less creative orintelligent than men. There are certain chemical differences and there seems to be a slight difference in activity, but in terms of actual intelligence all things are equal as far as any peer reviewed unbiased scientific journals can guess. Women do seem to regulate more "motional" neurochemicals which may work to their advantage in terms of drive and ambition, but noone has actually shown this.

On the other hand, men may be an endangered species. Some evidence suggests that the male chromosome may be lost in evolution.

naitkris · 21-03-2004 03:34AM

Originally posted by bizmark
and women wouldnt be here today were it not for men

true, forgot to add that, had a feeling someone would post that after i re-read my post :-)

Originally posted by bizmark

Er that goes both way's isnt there a womb in devolpment somewhere ?

you're joking right? i can just imagine some scientist actually thinking of doing that, scary thought i.m.o., doubt it'd work though, so much more complicated in comparision to a test tube baby

Originally posted by bizmark

"If we're not careful" WTF careful about what ....."er love no you are fat and that dress looks horrible" .......What she going to do genocide on 3 billion people ?

i meant in regards to men's continuing oppression of women (in terms of pay, job oppurtunities etc.) as its being going on for thousands of years as it is and doesn't seem to be near being over even though its much less in modern, democratic countries then it was in the past...

my point was more of a joke... a bad one it appears..

Originally posted by bizmark

FFS i hate threads like this pointless and full of thinly hidden hate for each other and threats of one "side" killing off the other "side" at some future date it’s like ****ing sci fi ...........what a lovely society we have built over the last few years eh

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have to agree with you there.

Wolfie · 21-03-2004 03:35AM

Originally posted by syke
Actually there is no scientific proof to show that women are less creative orintelligent than men. There are certain chemical differences and there seems to be a slight difference in activity, but in terms of actual intelligence all things are equal as far as any peer reviewed unbiased scientific journals can guess. Women do seem to regulate more "motional" neurochemicals which may work to their advantage in terms of drive and ambition, but noone has actually shown this.

On the other hand, men may be an endangered species. Some evidence suggests that the male chromosome may be lost in evolution.

Really? Didnt research show, however, that male brains were more attuned to focusing and concentrating on specific tasks, whereas female brains had evolved to be more efficient at multitasking (presumably to for domestic reasons)? The fact that mens brains can remained focused on solving a problem may lend credibility to the fact that men have been more intellectual and inventive over the years. Biologically speaking.

Also, regarding the male chromosone being lost in evolution, how is this possible, as any genetic make-up which promotes such a trait would surely not survive natural selection, and what benefit would the loss of the chromosone be, to us as a species?

Monty - the one and only · 21-03-2004 03:42AM

Originally posted by dirty_latino
Just a thought...and no this is not a troll!

For your sake, you better be right, I will be watching this one very closely.

The thread name alone is just about enough for me to lock this...all its going to take is 1 flame/troll...said flamer/troller will also be punished accordingly...

GuanYin · 21-03-2004 03:49AM

Originally posted by Wolfie
Really? Didnt research show, however, that male brains were more attuned to focusing and concentrating on specific tasks, whereas female brains had evolved to be more efficient at multitasking (presumably to for domestic reasons)? The fact that mens brains can remained focused on solving a problem may lend credibility to the fact that men have been more intellectual and inventive over the years. Biologically speaking.

Nope, we haven't been around long enough for something like "domestic multitasking" or such an evolutionary trait to occur. Most likely the multi-tasking would have something to do with keeping track of offspring.

In any case, the study you are referring to was a social study, not a neuroscience one or even a psychology one.
You have to remember that the brains being tested in humans were brains that were already finely attuned to carrying out tasks that the individuals had been doing all their life. What were the occupations of thewomen tested, was there a person for person male-female correlation regarding occupation? If not the test was biased.
You have to remember that by and large we are a bank slate when born, barrng instinctive traits. Excepting neurological abnormalities (for want of a better term) how our brain develops and the tasks we excel at is down to what we experience.

This is the problem with such studies and why such papers aren't highly regarded in research circles. There is now more of a link between psychological and neuroscience studies so maybe we'll get a better picture in the future.

Originally posted by Wolfie
Also, regarding the male chromosone being lost in evolution, how is this possible, as any genetic make-up which promotes such a trait would surely not survive natural selection, and what benefit would the loss of the chromosone be, to us as a species?

The genes specifically designed for maleness have reduced down considerably in humans and their ancestors of the ages. I forget the specifics tbh. Many species don't bother with the XY chrmosome approach and in evolutionary and genetic terms its not overly cost efficient. Its all hypothesis (not even theory) but there are suggestions. I wouldn't imagine its anything for us or our children toworry about.

Sarky · 21-03-2004 03:53AM

Couldn't that just be nature stripping away the bits we don't need for a more streamlined, efficient chromosome?

Or not, and the concept of male and female will eventually die out and be replaced with some form of uber-efficient hermaphroditic species of human...

GuanYin · 21-03-2004 03:57AM

Originally posted by Sarky
Couldn't that just be nature stripping away the bits we don't need for a more streamlined, efficient chromosome?

Or not, and the concept of male and female will eventually die out and be replaced with some form of uber-efficient hermaphroditic species of human...

Maybe either/or, its most likely stream-lining, but many think it may not be (oddly enough the research group is run by women). Either waythe evidence is clear enough.

Redleslie · 21-03-2004 04:19AM

Originally posted by dirty_latino
Just a thought...and no this is not a troll!

Can anyone think of a decent invention that a woman has come up with?

Yes.

We've been racking our brains and just can't think of any!!

Probably because you don't have the creative ability required to think of typing "women inventors" in google.

Woden · 21-03-2004 10:27AM

or maybe they wanted to see what people know off hand and in everyday life without the use of massive tool like the internet?

DMT · 21-03-2004 01:23PM

Originally posted by Auburn
Ooooooook.....

1. Was I talking to you?
2. Where exactly do i seem to be threatened? If you are referring to my previous post, I was joking, that's generally why people use smilies.
3. Where exactly did you make that suggestion?
4. What facts do you have to back up your theory?
5. Creativity does not have anything to do with having patents / inventions attributed to a person.

The title of the thread suggests that you think women shouldn't be involved in scientific invention. Why?

Talk about getting hysterical and defensive....

DMT · 21-03-2004 01:24PM

Originally posted by Karoma
how minor is "minor"
Mary Anderson -- windshield wiper : makes driving safer and a lot more comfortable

That's just another cleaning tool.
And Kevlar is just another type of clothing material.

Have women ever invented anything other than cleaning/cooking utensils or clothing?

Zombrex · 21-03-2004 01:31PM

Didn't women invent sin?

And considering that pretty much anything enjoyable is considered a sin, logically following on from that, women evented enjoyment

God bless the Catholic Church!

21-03-2004 02:09PM

First person ever to win TWO nobel prices!

ARIE SKLODOWSKA CURIE opened up the science of radioactivity. She is best known as the discoverer of the radioactive elements polonium and radium and as the first person to win two Nobel prizes.

http://www.aip.org/history/curie/contents.htm

Here's more

http://www.amphi.com/~tlcf/hopkins/web1/hhtgwis.htm

DMT · 21-03-2004 02:34PM

Originally posted by 124124
ARIE SKLODOWSKA CURIE opened up the science of radioactivity. She is best known as the discoverer of the radioactive elements polonium and radium and as the first person to win two Nobel prizes.

FFS, she didn't invent anything, she only discovered something that was already there....

Women - Know your place!!

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