How anti-american are you?

Ancient1 · 24-02-2004 07:55PM

Originally posted by Raphael
"It's time for mankind to enter the solar system"

How would you interpret that bushism?

LOL! That solar system...is that where "wings take dream"?

If "Dubya" wasnt such a dangerous lunatic, he'd be my favourite comedian.

bizmark · 24-02-2004 08:00PM

He SHOULD of said "it's time for humans to explore the solar system" but Eh ! its G.w

Raphael · 24-02-2004 08:08PM

"If we do not succeed we run the risk of failure!"

or was that quail...

AL][EN · 24-02-2004 08:14PM

I’m not Anti American At all

A few friends are American (living here in Ireland) there very nice people and i like them allot. My aunt living here in Ireland is also American and she really nice and friendly to me i also don’t have any problems with her. And to the millions of people living in America i also have no issues with them either (even though i worked from IBM for 4 years and was doing US tech support i had Americans screaming abuse at me for 9 hours a day and it still doesn’t bother me)

I've said it before and i'll say it again. i have no problem with Americans they are some of the nicest friendliest people you'll ever meet (take drifting rain for example lovely lass

) however as a nation and by nation i mean the way there government is run and how some of them look at the rest of the world like we owe a debt to America, and how they act and think as a nation leaves something to be desired for now don’t get me wrong there are some very smart intelligent Americans out there but you have to admit (come on Drifting rain I’m am right about this) its a very flag waving war driven saluting kind of culture that people over there grow up in demeans them.

I've been to America 3 times and i have to say I’ve loved it every time i was there i fully intend to go back again hopefully within the next year or two (not really sure where yet) but i suppose everyone has there own tolerance levels and opinions of the place

That’s my 27 yen's worth anyway

User45701 · 24-02-2004 08:49PM

I Am not anti amercian, its about time that sadam was sorted out. I must stres that i noone here know if it is or is not a war for oil but if it is a war for oil why will the us be giving any of the oil to Iraq? Wouldent the US just get all the oil and then leave?
They have the power to do it with no oposition from the other powers

TheSonOfBattles · 24-02-2004 08:52PM

I honestly don't think it was a war for oil. I think it was just Bush jnr. finishing daddy's war in return for getting him where he is today. That and he just wanted to continue his little war games to keep himself amused and americans in fear and under his thumb.

Johnny Versace · 24-02-2004 08:53PM

Originally posted by User45701
I Am not anti amercian, its about time that sadam was sorted out. I must stres that i noone here know if it is or is not a war for oil but if it is a war for oil why will the us be giving any of the oil to Iraq? Wouldent the US just get all the oil and then leave?
They have the power to do it with no oposition from the other powers

But they ARE taking the oil. The oil companies are controlled by American companies...

BEAT · 24-02-2004 09:08PM

I think there should have been a poll attached to this thread, but here is my quick comment. I am american and I dispise the American gov't/politics/general way of thinking. I am pretty much anti-american when it comes to all this parading around with flags and ****e like that. There are plenty of good people out there that are american (like me, hehe) but for the most part I have to say that Americans are to stuck on themselves as Americans. Most Americans that have a poor education (every major city) Do not even consider that there is a world outside of our continent. Until a war happens that is, then flags start waving everywhere and your damned to hell if you say anything bad about america. Whatever. All I have to say is war is not the answer and neither is a republican in office.
I have commented on threads like this so often I am a little tired so I cant go into one of my rants, so yes I am a bit anti-american/america because I can open my eyes to the big picture.
That is all I have to say about that.

:ninja:

mang87 · 24-02-2004 09:18PM

I have notihng against americans, I like them. I disagree with some aspects of their government, and maybe some stuff going on in their country atm, but every country has its faults. Like someone already mentioned, they are victims to their own media, every mistake that happens is put on TV. TBH I find americans quite amusing, especialy the new yorkers:D , "Eh ye wise guy?!"... But anyway, I would not call myself anti american, I would love to visit the states.

ANTI GEORGE BUSH, yes, yes I am :cool:

Pigman II · 24-02-2004 09:24PM

Whenever I get this question I always just imagine a world where Ireland were the #1 world power and then realise (for all their faults) America aren't doing too bad a job at all.

Johnny Versace · 24-02-2004 09:27PM

Originally posted by Pigman II
Whenever I get this question I always just imagine a world where Ireland were the #1 world power and then realise (for all their faults) America aren't doing too bad a job at all.

Why do you think they should have a "job" to do?

User45701 · 24-02-2004 10:01PM

Originally posted by Johnny Versace
But they ARE taking the oil. The oil companies are controlled by American companies...

They are only taking some of it, not all of it - but i dont want to argue i am a week or 2 out of date on my world affairs

Pugsley · 24-02-2004 10:04PM

You can complain about america as a whole being stuck up its own ar*e, but its not as if Ireland doesnt have a trouble with Patriotism (something that is ALWAYS bad, imo), IRA anyone?

I know few Americans, a couple have been utter twats, a few have been sound, the problem is, the twats speak much louder than the normal folk, thats probably where most of the poeple get their ideas of American people being stupid loudmouth patriotic gits. I dont think many will argue about the American gov. tho, jebus what a pack of tossers.

Zulu · 24-02-2004 10:12PM

Originally posted by User45701
They are only taking some of it, not all of it - but i dont want to argue i am a week or 2 out of date on my world affairs

More like a political term.
FYI C.Rice is the only NSA head to have a super oil tanker named after her.
Rumbsfelt, Chaney, and Bush - what have they all got in common??
Directors of ...guess what type of companys? I'll give you a clue : OIL
any idea of the cost of running for presidence in good oul US of A? - Lots
Any idea where that money comes from? - Companies.

Open your eyes.

:rolleyes:

banquo · 24-02-2004 10:54PM

Am i the only one who thinks that we live in a world with walls and that those walls have to be guarded with guns? And that in a time where you can make a bomb in your country and bring it into my county, what goes on in your country is very much my business?

Johnny Versace · 24-02-2004 10:57PM

Originally posted by robbb_mm
Am i the only one who thinks that we live in a world with walls and that those walls have to be guarded with guns? And that in a time where you can make a bomb in your country and bring it into my county, what goes on in your country is very much my business?

That's the way Americans think. Unfortunately they are unable to think about why people want to make bombs and bring them to their country.

America has ****ed with the world for so long they really, and sadly, have had it coming for a long time.

Wake up America!! Seriously...

tovalee · 24-02-2004 11:39PM

all right, i've stayed out of the discussion because i believe everyone has a right to their own opinion, but to say we had it coming is just going too far. Tell it to all the wives and orphans of the soldiers who are just trying to survive day to day and do whats right. I'm heartbroken and truly hope you dont speak for the majority.

Howard the Duck · 25-02-2004 12:01AM

it seems in answer to your own question johnny your very anti-american.
And do you pretend to know what a whole country thinks?

Attractive Nun · 25-02-2004 12:25AM

I agree... no one can pretend to know what the American public thinks. Especially living on another continent. I would guess that the majority of people on this forum are basing their opinions on stereotypes presented by the stupid media. Ireland is just lucky that we have the image of a friendly lot that enjoy a pint. But everyone living in Ireland knows that we are actually quite racist and unwelcoming on the whole and alcohol is a very serious problem in our society. But only we see that. Other foreign countries see us as great. How can we say we know what the American public are like?

The only thing I can accurately base my opinion on is the Americans that I have actually met. And the vast majority of them hate the current administration. So I think for us to sit here on our american computers on the american internet with our american clothes after working our american jobs and eating our american food it is very unfair to say that we hate america.

I think we have already pretty much established that we don't like the Republicans in power, and that we don't like America going to war in Iraq. But to make a general statement saying "The American public think x" is just stupid and as ignorant as you claim they are.

That said, I do think America should have expected an attack of some sort the way successive governments were behaving. When you are the sole superpower and essentially give yourself the role as world policer you have to expect these things. In all honesty, it is amazing there have not been more attacks on America. No, September 11th was not justified... No, it could never be justified... Yes, it was one of the most horrible tradgedies in American history... but any country in America's situation is going to be at risk to things like these and America's reaction was equally unjustified.

In answer to the question, it really depends what you mean by 'Anti-American'. If you mean against America in general then no, i'm not anti-american, but if you mean against the current government there, then yes. Just don't put all of America into one big, evil, stupid category.

Memnoch · 25-02-2004 12:32AM

Originally posted by tovalee
all right, i've stayed out of the discussion because i believe everyone has a right to their own opinion, but to say we had it coming is just going too far. Tell it to all the wives and orphans of the soldiers who are just trying to survive day to day and do whats right. I'm heartbroken and truly hope you dont speak for the majority.

lol you actually believe this?

do whats right?
Committing mass genocide in iraq, thats right??
thousands and thousands of iraqi civilian's murdered...
houses looted by U.S/british troops who because of the countries they come from will never be prosecuted for their war crimes????
How blind are you?
they invaded another country for their GREED, its all about money, the got oil, they destroy the country then force the coutnry to sell them cheaper oil, then they take the money from that country back by making the country pay for "reconstruction" of what they blew up?
Seriously.... WAKE UP......
I check CNN.com everyday hoping to see more US soldiers die. I celebrate internally with joy everytime one of them is killed. They are NO BETTER than the terrorists in 9/11. Just because America's reign of terror is taking place in a country that cannot defend itself... or has a voice in the western community, or a fair depiction by the mass media of whats really going on.....

The American's are just as bad as Saddam Hussain..
consider this..
1) THEY supplied, trained and funded, Al Queda
2) The Put Saddam in Power of Iraq
3) The PROVIDED Saddam with chemical and biological weapons to use against iran and his own people
4) They provided logistical support to Saddam to use these weapons against Iran
5) The purposefully bombed fascilities runing Iraq's water supply in the first gulf war, and THEN CONTINUED doing so after the war was over, resulting in hundreds of thousands of children dying from water borne diseases due a lack of clean water..
6) they used MANY MILLION TONNES of agent orange (a chemical warfare agent) in Vietnam..

OH AND BY THE WAY... LAST I CHECKED.. the good of U S of A is the ONLY country to have used a Nuclear weapon against another country?????

The U.S. really do DESERVE NOTHING LESS, than what they are getting right now. In fact they deserve a WHOLE LOT MORE.

Deadwing · 25-02-2004 12:44AM

Americans are fine, having had a few Yank birds, and staying with a yank family, they are very friendly people by and large.
I am however very anti-US governemnt (Who isnt??) I think its unfair to blame it all on America, as most of the people who ive spoken to there dont want, and didnt vote for, G dubya. (as my girls mother said "Dont blame us, we didnt vote for him") That man is in my eyes as bad as Hitler..at leat Adolf was OPEN about his world domination plans ffs.

TheSonOfBattles · 25-02-2004 12:49AM

About this whole 9/11 thing. Last I checked, America isn't the only country in the world to have thousands of people die in a few days. It's tragic that it happened, but if it'd happened in ANY other country, the U.S. wouldn't give a ****, and proof of that happens all the time.

General consensus here on boards and in Ireland (at least from the people I know here) is that the U.S. goverment sucks balls, but that most of the people there are grand. So, I wouldn't go around making sweeping statements that Ireland hate America or any other country for that matter.

BlitzKrieg · 25-02-2004 05:06AM

Let me get this out of the way first-

-My Dad is historian/works in UN
-I have numerous relations in America (inc. Sister)

-*and most important* I am and have always been very cynical/suspicous of anyone with power or have history in their favour.

So am i anti-american...No...I am though anti American society. Yes i am not just against the government but also the social system of the country. The patriotic air. I have only ever given a f*ck about comments about Ireland when someone says something wrong along the lines of "Dublin is the capitol of the North" (which was said to me last night by an english man.) If the person is willing to look into their subject first (from MORE THEN ONE SOURCE so micheal moore alone does not count) then i'll accept their views even if i feel their wrong.

I like the american people. If they get at least a minimum education which seems to be a problem

I like aspects of American buisness. Though i Dont like their version of extreme capitilism which expects people working in restaurants etc to survive on tips and more then one job (does anyone remember the name of the book of the reporter who went undercover to see how they survive. Read it yonks ago)

I hate the American government. But unlike most I hated it even under Clinton (though i perfer him to Bush) I hated the term SuperPower or HyperPower. The reason to this though is prob my bias towards the underdog and my own fathers influence on me. The Iraq war I feel is a mockery of all the advancement to world unity. The fact Bush states he is a "War President" and everyone thinks YEP GREAT! Stalin and Mussolini stated similer lines and we hiss and curse them. I hate the I dont know how Socialism works but its BAD! (IF you study Russian history you notice the system was broke from the beginning therefore we still dont know if socialism can work or not) I hate the influence on Might is RIGHT...BULL****!

I hate the economic ideal of Globilisation meaning everything goes in and out of America. Europe can out do america economicly. We dont need to be a federal superstate just work together in a economic sense and not only will we have our cultures intact but also get better standards of living.

I hate when someone calls America warmongers that the excuse is that they got the job done.

*cough* BULLSH*T!!

lets look at the last 3 lovely examples

Kosovo

-Still quite ****ed I was over there for 2 weeks and what do America do. Sit in their military Base and wont come out. They say the country is improving in a economic sense but thats cause the black market makes a fortune selling to UN and British personnal (try Kosovon whisky gorgeous and Kosovon coffee) The second they all leave (as they are now beginning to do) the economy goes to hell cause we are taking the market away. There still is no infastructure.

Afganastan

-Right this i think is great. America attacks Afganastan stops evil Taliban. UN personnal includin Irish personnal get told to go in and help make it better country. Not 100% about this but the Taliban or a Taliban like power is in control and they have all gone out again. (Got this from my dad who was meant to go in 2 weeks ago and got told to stay in Kosovo)

Iraq

-We beat Saddam but all the problems with Iraq during saddam are still there and now its worse cause we have numerous groups wanting to be dictators, terrorist movements are on the increase they are charging the iraqi's to pay for the damage they caused.

-On a side note i love the whole idea that Saddam could attack America directly...made me laugh.

-I hate the believe that Its Tragic if 1 american soldier dies but 100 iraqis are ok.

-I hate the whole 2 party system, when both parties seem almost the BLOODY SAME!!! just the democrates are more sly about it.

Finally after this whole rant which i know will have mistakes etc in it and i await your flaming.

ITS NOT JUST AMERICA I have a dislike towards the entire western culture and i'm part of it. I just dont say much about it cause as a studant i'm in no position to act sensibly or offer and alternative and i know i'm weak and can not live without all the benifits for being mistaken for a W.A.S.P or being Irish or european.

I guess thats why i study politics, history and film...

tovalee · 25-02-2004 05:51AM

Originally posted by Memnoch

I check CNN.com everyday hoping to see more US soldiers die. I celebrate internally with joy everytime one of them is killed.

This was a reality check for me. you see, some mornings i wake up with these feelings of doubt about my place in this world and I think..."Am i doing everything i can to be a good person and show people that i care?" Then i hear ignorant venom like this and suddenly i feel much, much better about myself...so thank you for making me see that i'm not such a bad person after all.

Johnny Versace · 25-02-2004 09:39AM

Originally posted by tovalee
all right, i've stayed out of the discussion because i believe everyone has a right to their own opinion, but to say we had it coming is just going too far. Tell it to all the wives and orphans of the soldiers who are just trying to survive day to day and do whats right. I'm heartbroken and truly hope you dont speak for the majority.

You need to read some political science books to see what the American government has been doing abroad for years. It's shocking! I'm really just surprised revenge has taken this long to happen. Do you know how many people have died directly and indirectly because of US interference abroad? Millions!

I am not happy when American soldiers die (or anyone at all for that matter), but come on, saying you haven't had it coming is naive at best.

Again, I think American people in general are grand (as I said earlier, I have American friends and ex-girlfriends), but your government (which represents the people!) are pure evil. If they simply admitted they were evil and want to control the world, at least they'd be honest about it, but they pretend they are saving the world, which is just total bollox really.

Read some Noam Chomsky!

Zulu · 25-02-2004 10:28AM

Originally posted by tovalee
all right, i've stayed out of the discussion because i believe everyone has a right to their own opinion, but to say we had it coming is just going too far. Tell it to all the wives and orphans of the soldiers who are just trying to survive day to day and do whats right. I'm heartbroken and truly hope you dont speak for the majority.

You cant expect the children of Iraq/Afganastan/and other countries to accept that when their parents are killed by Marines and their brothers arms are blown off by cluster munition.

Zulu · 25-02-2004 10:33AM

Originally posted by robbb_mm
Am i the only one who thinks that we live in a world with walls and that those walls have to be guarded with guns? And that in a time where you can make a bomb in your country and bring it into my county, what goes on in your country is very much my business?

...and what of the largest weapons dealer, the owner of the biggest pile of Nukes/chemical and bio weapons, the ONLY country to drop a nuke on a civilian population - twice.

So it NOT ok to BRING a bomb into a country, but it IS ok to DROP a bomb on a country - is that it? - or is your point that is not ok unless your the most powerful and therefore right.

Tyrrial · 25-02-2004 10:45AM

Originally posted by Zulu
More like a political term.
FYI C.Rice is the only NSA head to have a super oil tanker named after her.
Rumbsfelt, Chaney, and Bush - what have they all got in common??
Directors of ...guess what type of companys? I'll give you a clue : OIL
any idea of the cost of running for presidence in good oul US of A? - Lots
Any idea where that money comes from? - Companies.

Open your eyes.

:rolleyes:

right on!!!

ixoy · 25-02-2004 10:45AM

Originally posted by tovalee
all right, i've stayed out of the discussion because i believe everyone has a right to their own opinion, but to say we had it coming is just going too far. Tell it to all the wives and orphans of the soldiers who are just trying to survive day to day and do whats right. I'm heartbroken and truly hope you dont speak for the majority.

In some ways though the administration HAS had it coming. Please though understand the difference between the administration having it coming and an individual soldier who is attacked. I dislike the administration, I dislike the "semper fi" gung-ho attitude of the military, but I would still feel sympathy for the soldier who dies. After all he's generally less educated, poorly paid, and locked into a particular mindset.
America is trying to make a massive omlette, but it's breaking so many eggs that the mummy chickens are getting very pi$$ed off...

Sleipnir · 25-02-2004 11:47AM

Originally posted by Nuttzz
what have the yanks ever done for us?

Intel
HP
Abbotts
Dell

to mention a few

I dont think the Irish get a bad deal from the US government........how have they treated us like dirt?

I think the previous poster was talking 'in general' when he said they treat the world like dirt.
Ireland has nothing the U.S. wants, unlike Iraq.

How anti-american are you?

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