How anti-american are you?

Johnny Versace

An ex of mine is American, and a few of my friends are American. They are cool girls (if a bit dumb!)

But I very strongly dislike America, everything it represents, their bullying, lies etc.

My American friends are always shocked by this, but I reckon it's pretty common in Ireland, and pretty much everywhere else in the world.

I do think American people as individuals are fine, but as a group, a country etc., they are the most dangerous people/country in the world.

What ya reckon?

bizmark

they are the most dangerous people/country in the world

Agreed there......American isnt trust worthy anymore

aidan_walsh

"A person is smart, people are stupid..."

All right, so its Tommy Lee Jones in MiB, but the point of the fact is that the same critisism can be aimed at pretty much any country in the world...

Point and case, we elected the same loser government who screwed us stupid for five years to a second term... And the Americans are dumb???

honru

I like America. Sure there's dumb Irish people aswell, maybe less so than America in terms of ratio, but not all Americans are dumb. It's the government I don't like.

Another aspect of America I that I don't feel particularily safe when I am over there. I agree with you that they are a pretty dangerous country to mess with...

ll=llannah

:rolleyes:

Stark

The US Congress are made up of complete bully boy scumbags, who spend their days making sure that what they regularly get away with will land the rest of the American public in jail and then procede to apply this law to the rest of the world.

Nothing against the people themselves really, although it would be nice if they didn't accept every bit of mediocrity thrown at them by the likes of Fox etc.

Johnny Versace

Originally posted by ll=llannah
:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

mr_angry

I'm anti-US-Gov. Nothing more.

TheSonOfBattles

Originally posted by mr_angry
I'm anti-US-Gov. Nothing more.

Pretty much the same, but also, there are a few weirdo groups over there that take patriotism to far, and i'm against them as well. That's it really, the rest of the country is grand in my book.

Nuttzz

I love the States, I love there other the top reaction to everything, "oh my god, are you really related to a leper-shawn". People here were so Pro American when Clinton was in and turning on xmas lights here and what not, Along comes George and all of a sudden we hate the yanks??

Please, our TV stations are full of US programming, do you not watch any of that?
Do you never visit the cinema or a McDonalds or drink Coke or Bud?

If George gets 4 more in 04 then you have to put up with more of his right wing beliefs but most of the yanks are sound, not dumb maybe naive?

Johnny Versace

Originally posted by Nuttzz
...yanks are sound, not dumb maybe naive?

Yes, but naive can translate into dumb. Big time!!

Don't you think they are destroying the world though? For example, their reaction post-9/11? I think that's when people's opinion changed towards America...

aidan_walsh

And the Indians and Pakistanis are ready to wage nuclear war on each other every time one of them look sideways over the border at the other, but do we call them dumb?

No.

Why? Simply because the Americans publicise everything more, which in turn gets into our papers and on our TVs... They're the victims of their own media...

ixoy

I dislike some aspects, George W. Bush being a principal factor. I dislike their attitude to violence (it being far more socially acceptable than sex, for example) and their views on censorship (won't someone please think of the children!). Their zealot like patriotism at times, and willingness to idiotically believe what is Foxfed to them also grates...

However, they've also done a lot of good. Their economy has spurred our own. Without their inventiveness and drive, we'd probably not all be typing here. They are - if misguided - well intentioned, it would seem. And it's hardly like Ireland is faultless - we may not have a violence social problem, but we have got an alcohol one...

So thumbs well down for the administration, but a general acceptance of the rest. Oh and they produce some fantastic television!

Johnny Versace

Originally posted by doodle_sketch
And the Indians and Pakistanis are ready to wage nuclear war on each other every time one of them look sideways over the border at the other, but do we call them dumb?

No.

Why? Simply because the Americans publicise everything more, which in turn gets into our papers and on our TVs... They're the victims of their own media...

Hang on... come on... do India and Pakistan go around invading other countries, dropping bombs etc.?

Americans have a serious lack of knowledge about the rest of the world, you cannot deny that...

MrPinK

Originally posted by Johnny Versace
I do think American people as individuals are fine, but as a group, a country etc., they are the most dangerous people/country in the world

People and country are very different things. I don't believe the actions of the American governmnent accurately represent the ideology of the American people, but instead that of a minority of rich white men.

Doctor J

I dislike the way they can't seem to distinguish Nationalism (bad) from Patriotism (good). All this swear allegiance to the flag crap every day can't be healthy. This blind obedience that's seemingly drummed into them from birth is exceptionally dangerous. Ask questions. Think for yourself.

They're getting closer and closer to being Nazi Germany by the day. All the book burning, cd burning, etc. That's just mental. Combine that with the propaganda they call "news" and you've a recipie for disaster.

Sleipnir

Originally posted by MrPinK
People and country are very different things. I don't believe the actions of the American governmnent accurately represent the ideology of the American people, but instead that of a minority of rich white men.

True, but I think the American people are apathetic about their own government, the running of their country by these rich white men and with regards to their country's foreign policy.

I think many have been 'brainwashed' by the Fox news network and their ilk.
They don't seem to question their leaders and they don't appear to care about the "was the war justified" question or anything else their leaders do.

Everyone else in the world knows that the war was about oil/money primarily but the fact that Bush has a lot of both means that he will probably win the next election.

MrPinK

Originally posted by Sleipnir
True, but I think the American people are apathetic about their own government, the running of their country by these rich white men and with regards to their country's foreign policy.

I would say they are ignorent more so than apathetic. Many of them really do believe that America is a champion of democracy around the world, that they would never support brutal dictators, and that people only hate them because they are communists/facists/religious fundamentalists who hate freedom. I would like to think that they are a decent enough people not be apathetic if they really did know what was going on.

Nuttzz

Don't you think they are destroying the world though? For example, their reaction post-9/11? I think that's when people's opinion changed towards America...

No. So they invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. TBH I'm surprised that GWB didnt NUKE afghanistan after 9/11.

The US government believe that they are acting in the US's national interest by attacking these two countries, I am not going to argue the rights and wrongs of it, thats for the politics forum.

Basically 3000 people were killed on 9/11, the US acted to remove the supporters (Perceived or otherwise) of the "folks" (to use GWB's term ) who attacked them, now the US is the bad guy?

I have a few cousins in the NYFD who lost many friends in 9/11, for those people the wounds are still very raw

There are a lot worse places and governments than the US at the moment

Raphael

My Girlfriend is a US citizen, im not anti american

I am highly anti bush, but then again, so is every american i know with at least 2 brain cells (which might rule out a large chunk of the mid-west)

IMHO, america has great power, but, to continue the movie quotes, "with great power comes great responsibility", and i dont think that responsibility should lie with a man who doesnt know earth is in the solar system

Raph

Johnny Versace

I don't think they could have reacted any worse. Since 9/11 you'd think America would think, "Why does the world hate us?", instead they've made even more people hate America. You cannot honestly say they've made the world a safer place.

The US government may be good to the American people, but they treat the rest of the world like dirt. No other government does that.

I have no fear of North Korea, Iran etc. They've done nothing bad outside their borders (for quite a while at least.) America is the only country screwing with everyone else.

Originally posted by Nuttzz
No. So they invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. TBH I'm surprised that GWB didnt NUKE afghanistan after 9/11.

The US government believe that they are acting in the US's national interest by attacking these two countries, I am not going to argue the rights and wrongs of it, thats for the politics forum.

Basically 3000 people were killed on 9/11, the US acted to remove the supporters (Perceived or otherwise) of the "folks" (to use GWB's term ) who attacked them, now the US is the bad guy?

I have a few cousins in the NYFD who lost many friends in 9/11, for those people the wounds are still very raw

There are a lot worse places and governments than the US at the moment

Johnny Versace

Originally posted by Raphael
I am highly anti bush, but then again, so is every american i know with at least 2 brain cells (which might rule out a large chunk of the mid-west)

They are a democratic country who vote in their government. Their government represents the people.

(I know technically Bush didn't win the election...)

Raphael

Exactly, he didnt

the system is screwed, more people wanted Gore, bush got in on a stupid rule

Kold

Very. I never used to be. I mean I don't hate everything about them but there is a LOT to dislike. Not really the individuals but the way **** is run there is utterly ****ing retarded which has ****ed a load of them mentally.

Zulu

...no Mr. CIA I love the American people, and the american government, and especially George W Bush. God bless America, Allah bless the US - no wait strike that one...
(sound of jack boots, helicopters and dogs)
...no I didn't mean it.. honest I love america, down with everyone whos "not with us" ...

Cake Fiend

America at the moment is like a three-year-old with a handgun.
Most intelligent, informed Americans I've heard the opinions of appear to agree.

bizmark

with a man who doesnt know earth is in the solar system

Your ****ting me ? :eek:

Nuttzz

The US government may be good to the American people, but they treat the rest of the world like dirt

what have the yanks ever done for us?

Intel
HP
Abbotts
Dell

to mention a few

I dont think the Irish get a bad deal from the US government........how have they treated us like dirt?

Johnny Versace

Originally posted by Nuttzz
what have the yanks ever done for us?

Intel
HP
Abbotts
Dell

to mention a few

I dont think the Irish get a bad deal from the US government........how have they treated us like dirt?

OK I agree. There are a small number of countries America treats well (Ireland and the UK??), the rest, GOD BLESS AMERICA!!

Stark

Originally posted by Nuttzz
I have a few cousins in the NYFD who lost many friends in 9/11, for those people the wounds are still very raw

Then you should be worried that the US government funded these people for years and then allowed them free access to the country so they could carry out the attack, an attack which couldn't have worked out better for the US government. Look how much power they have now.

Basically they're using the same tactics that have been used successfully for centuries to create a dictatorship, and all anyone can think is "But that could never happen to us, that only happens to those other countries in far far away places."

Raphael

Originally posted by bizmark
Your ****ting me ? :eek:

"It's time for mankind to enter the solar system"

How would you interpret that bushism?

Ancient1

Originally posted by Raphael
"It's time for mankind to enter the solar system"

How would you interpret that bushism?

LOL! That solar system...is that where "wings take dream"?

If "Dubya" wasnt such a dangerous lunatic, he'd be my favourite comedian.

bizmark

He SHOULD of said "it's time for humans to explore the solar system" but Eh ! its G.w

Raphael

"If we do not succeed we run the risk of failure!"

or was that quail...

AL][EN

I’m not Anti American At all

A few friends are American (living here in Ireland) there very nice people and i like them allot. My aunt living here in Ireland is also American and she really nice and friendly to me i also don’t have any problems with her. And to the millions of people living in America i also have no issues with them either (even though i worked from IBM for 4 years and was doing US tech support i had Americans screaming abuse at me for 9 hours a day and it still doesn’t bother me)

I've said it before and i'll say it again. i have no problem with Americans they are some of the nicest friendliest people you'll ever meet (take drifting rain for example lovely lass ) however as a nation and by nation i mean the way there government is run and how some of them look at the rest of the world like we owe a debt to America, and how they act and think as a nation leaves something to be desired for now don’t get me wrong there are some very smart intelligent Americans out there but you have to admit (come on Drifting rain I’m am right about this) its a very flag waving war driven saluting kind of culture that people over there grow up in demeans them.

I've been to America 3 times and i have to say I’ve loved it every time i was there i fully intend to go back again hopefully within the next year or two (not really sure where yet) but i suppose everyone has there own tolerance levels and opinions of the place

That’s my 27 yen's worth anyway

User45701

I Am not anti amercian, its about time that sadam was sorted out. I must stres that i noone here know if it is or is not a war for oil but if it is a war for oil why will the us be giving any of the oil to Iraq? Wouldent the US just get all the oil and then leave?
They have the power to do it with no oposition from the other powers

TheSonOfBattles

I honestly don't think it was a war for oil. I think it was just Bush jnr. finishing daddy's war in return for getting him where he is today. That and he just wanted to continue his little war games to keep himself amused and americans in fear and under his thumb.

Johnny Versace

Originally posted by User45701
I Am not anti amercian, its about time that sadam was sorted out. I must stres that i noone here know if it is or is not a war for oil but if it is a war for oil why will the us be giving any of the oil to Iraq? Wouldent the US just get all the oil and then leave?
They have the power to do it with no oposition from the other powers

But they ARE taking the oil. The oil companies are controlled by American companies...

BEAT

I think there should have been a poll attached to this thread, but here is my quick comment. I am american and I dispise the American gov't/politics/general way of thinking. I am pretty much anti-american when it comes to all this parading around with flags and ****e like that. There are plenty of good people out there that are american (like me, hehe) but for the most part I have to say that Americans are to stuck on themselves as Americans. Most Americans that have a poor education (every major city) Do not even consider that there is a world outside of our continent. Until a war happens that is, then flags start waving everywhere and your damned to hell if you say anything bad about america. Whatever. All I have to say is war is not the answer and neither is a republican in office.
I have commented on threads like this so often I am a little tired so I cant go into one of my rants, so yes I am a bit anti-american/america because I can open my eyes to the big picture.
That is all I have to say about that.

:ninja:

mang87

I have notihng against americans, I like them. I disagree with some aspects of their government, and maybe some stuff going on in their country atm, but every country has its faults. Like someone already mentioned, they are victims to their own media, every mistake that happens is put on TV. TBH I find americans quite amusing, especialy the new yorkers:D , "Eh ye wise guy?!"... But anyway, I would not call myself anti american, I would love to visit the states.


ANTI GEORGE BUSH, yes, yes I am :cool:

Pigman II

Whenever I get this question I always just imagine a world where Ireland were the #1 world power and then realise (for all their faults) America aren't doing too bad a job at all.

Johnny Versace

Originally posted by Pigman II
Whenever I get this question I always just imagine a world where Ireland were the #1 world power and then realise (for all their faults) America aren't doing too bad a job at all.

Why do you think they should have a "job" to do?

User45701

Originally posted by Johnny Versace
But they ARE taking the oil. The oil companies are controlled by American companies...

They are only taking some of it, not all of it - but i dont want to argue i am a week or 2 out of date on my world affairs

Pugsley

You can complain about america as a whole being stuck up its own ar*e, but its not as if Ireland doesnt have a trouble with Patriotism (something that is ALWAYS bad, imo), IRA anyone?

I know few Americans, a couple have been utter twats, a few have been sound, the problem is, the twats speak much louder than the normal folk, thats probably where most of the poeple get their ideas of American people being stupid loudmouth patriotic gits. I dont think many will argue about the American gov. tho, jebus what a pack of tossers.

Zulu

Originally posted by User45701
They are only taking some of it, not all of it - but i dont want to argue i am a week or 2 out of date on my world affairs

More like a political term.
FYI C.Rice is the only NSA head to have a super oil tanker named after her.
Rumbsfelt, Chaney, and Bush - what have they all got in common??
Directors of ...guess what type of companys? I'll give you a clue : OIL
any idea of the cost of running for presidence in good oul US of A? - Lots
Any idea where that money comes from? - Companies.

Open your eyes.

:rolleyes:

banquo

Am i the only one who thinks that we live in a world with walls and that those walls have to be guarded with guns? And that in a time where you can make a bomb in your country and bring it into my county, what goes on in your country is very much my business?

Johnny Versace

Originally posted by robbb_mm
Am i the only one who thinks that we live in a world with walls and that those walls have to be guarded with guns? And that in a time where you can make a bomb in your country and bring it into my county, what goes on in your country is very much my business?

That's the way Americans think. Unfortunately they are unable to think about why people want to make bombs and bring them to their country.

America has ****ed with the world for so long they really, and sadly, have had it coming for a long time.

Wake up America!! Seriously...

tovalee

all right, i've stayed out of the discussion because i believe everyone has a right to their own opinion, but to say we had it coming is just going too far. Tell it to all the wives and orphans of the soldiers who are just trying to survive day to day and do whats right. I'm heartbroken and truly hope you dont speak for the majority.

Howard the Duck

it seems in answer to your own question johnny your very anti-american.
And do you pretend to know what a whole country thinks?

Attractive Nun

I agree... no one can pretend to know what the American public thinks. Especially living on another continent. I would guess that the majority of people on this forum are basing their opinions on stereotypes presented by the stupid media. Ireland is just lucky that we have the image of a friendly lot that enjoy a pint. But everyone living in Ireland knows that we are actually quite racist and unwelcoming on the whole and alcohol is a very serious problem in our society. But only we see that. Other foreign countries see us as great. How can we say we know what the American public are like?

The only thing I can accurately base my opinion on is the Americans that I have actually met. And the vast majority of them hate the current administration. So I think for us to sit here on our american computers on the american internet with our american clothes after working our american jobs and eating our american food it is very unfair to say that we hate america.

I think we have already pretty much established that we don't like the Republicans in power, and that we don't like America going to war in Iraq. But to make a general statement saying "The American public think x" is just stupid and as ignorant as you claim they are.

That said, I do think America should have expected an attack of some sort the way successive governments were behaving. When you are the sole superpower and essentially give yourself the role as world policer you have to expect these things. In all honesty, it is amazing there have not been more attacks on America. No, September 11th was not justified... No, it could never be justified... Yes, it was one of the most horrible tradgedies in American history... but any country in America's situation is going to be at risk to things like these and America's reaction was equally unjustified.

In answer to the question, it really depends what you mean by 'Anti-American'. If you mean against America in general then no, i'm not anti-american, but if you mean against the current government there, then yes. Just don't put all of America into one big, evil, stupid category.

Memnoch

Originally posted by tovalee
all right, i've stayed out of the discussion because i believe everyone has a right to their own opinion, but to say we had it coming is just going too far. Tell it to all the wives and orphans of the soldiers who are just trying to survive day to day and do whats right. I'm heartbroken and truly hope you dont speak for the majority.

lol you actually believe this?

do whats right?
Committing mass genocide in iraq, thats right??
thousands and thousands of iraqi civilian's murdered...
houses looted by U.S/british troops who because of the countries they come from will never be prosecuted for their war crimes????
How blind are you?
they invaded another country for their GREED, its all about money, the got oil, they destroy the country then force the coutnry to sell them cheaper oil, then they take the money from that country back by making the country pay for "reconstruction" of what they blew up?
Seriously.... WAKE UP......
I check CNN.com everyday hoping to see more US soldiers die. I celebrate internally with joy everytime one of them is killed. They are NO BETTER than the terrorists in 9/11. Just because America's reign of terror is taking place in a country that cannot defend itself... or has a voice in the western community, or a fair depiction by the mass media of whats really going on.....

The American's are just as bad as Saddam Hussain..
consider this..
1) THEY supplied, trained and funded, Al Queda
2) The Put Saddam in Power of Iraq
3) The PROVIDED Saddam with chemical and biological weapons to use against iran and his own people
4) They provided logistical support to Saddam to use these weapons against Iran
5) The purposefully bombed fascilities runing Iraq's water supply in the first gulf war, and THEN CONTINUED doing so after the war was over, resulting in hundreds of thousands of children dying from water borne diseases due a lack of clean water..
6) they used MANY MILLION TONNES of agent orange (a chemical warfare agent) in Vietnam..

OH AND BY THE WAY... LAST I CHECKED.. the good of U S of A is the ONLY country to have used a Nuclear weapon against another country?????

The U.S. really do DESERVE NOTHING LESS, than what they are getting right now. In fact they deserve a WHOLE LOT MORE.