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What do you think of the IRA?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 208 ✭✭David-[RLD]-


    Originally posted by BuffyBot
    And as I'm sure you know, but don't want to admit, there is a world of difference between the Iraq war and the North and the events leading up to them.

    the Iraq war had very little legitimacy at all.
    Why was the Iraq war fought? to confiscate WMDs that don't exist? America have many WMDs too you know, and all it takes it for Bush to open his mouth and the world can be blown to pieces.

    Just one example of Loyalist bombs: The Dublin and Monaghan bombings. 17 May 1974. The greatest loss of life in a single day during the Troubles. Largest mass murder in the Republic.
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    The UDA Press Officer, Mr. Samuel Smyth, said: ‘I am very happy about the bombings in Dublin. There is a war with the Free State and now we are laughing at them’.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 254 ✭✭Redleslie


    Hmm...
    I'm so happy about todays events I dont care about the anti war ppl!
    Suddenly all the hand-ringing and Richard Boyd Barretts
    of this world mean nothing, I dont care what they think or say. I'm just very happy.

    Mike.
    [pics of acceptably murdered and maimed brown people respectfully removed at Caliden's request]

    This stuff makes Mike65 very happy apparently. There's good murder (US/UK) and bad murder (IRA) it seems.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,924 ✭✭✭✭BuffyBot


    the Iraq war had very little legitimacy at all.
    Why was the Iraq war fought? to confiscate WMDs that don't exist? America have many WMDs too you know, and all it takes it for Bush to open his mouth and the world can be blown to pieces.

    I never said the Iraq war was legitimate. I did however, there are different circumstances surrounding the two situations, which no one could deny.


    Just one example of Loyalist bombs: The Dublin and Monaghan bombings. 17 May 1974. The greatest loss of life in a single day during the Troubles. Largest mass murder in the Republic.

    You seem very outraged be these incidents. I'm surprised your not outraged at the much greater number of people the IRA killed over a much longer period.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 208 ✭✭David-[RLD]-


    I'm outraged by any kind of bombing that involves civilian casualties. It's just that there are some members of the IRAs that are fighting for the true cause instead of just killing for the sake of it.

    Remember November 21 1920 and January 30 1972? Bloody Sunday I and II? That wasn't the UVF or any other Loyalist gang, it was British soldiers. IMO that makes it even worse.

    You can't choose who dies with a bomb, but you can choose who dies with a gun.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,618 ✭✭✭Civilian_Target


    I'm sitting here in Belfast and after reading the entire of this thread I've just realised, I don't give a **** about a united Ireland. I don't care about a line on the map. Because of the politics of the place, Northern Ireland has effectively become its own screwed up little country. Its horribly inward looking, and the politics are at the very least, opressive. Towns like Castlederg literally have a line down the middle of them with an RUC station sitting on that line and it always seems to me that that station is the only thing stopping them trying to ethnicly cleanse each other.

    Why this opressive atmosphere, the IRA and UVF/UDA/LVF (etc). OK, in theory you could say the Brits 400 years ago but we'd have got over it if it wasn't for the IRA. Realisticly, the unionist community are people too, they were born and raised in NI and its as much thier country as anyone elses.

    And now I'd wish they'd all just shut up, and go away. The solution to this place is simple, just unacceptable. The British government pumps something in the region of £4 BILLION into the north every year (its been a long time since I checked this figure, the peace process may have reduced it, but I know its sill in billions) and NI requires this to balance its books and give the sons and daughters of vaguely important people cushy jobs in government offices. So just make it an independant state, and leggit. The county would just implode, unable to balance is budget, total anarchy would ensue. Its not a very nice way to do it, its totally inhumane, but it'd work.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,403 ✭✭✭passive


    Its not a very nice way to do it, its totally inhumane, but it'd work.
    umm...it'd work to what end exactly?
    Remember November 21 1920 and January 30 1972? Bloody Sunday I and II?

    oddly enough i don't remember much or anything about 1920 or 1972.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 208 ✭✭David-[RLD]-


    ha....ha....ha.... *claps three times slowly*

    i was trying to make a point. no need to be sarcastic :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,483 ✭✭✭✭daveirl


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,968 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    Cheers Daveirl, not sure what Iraq has to do with this thread either...but republicans are always seeking to distract from the subject at hand....Did anyone listen to Liveline on Tuesday and Wednesday esp? It was full of provos trying to justify the unjustifable and thankfully everyone else not falling for it.

    Mike.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 208 ✭✭David-[RLD]-


    um yes of course. "distract from the subject at hand"

    of course it was "everyone else not falling for it". most Irish people are anti-IRA now with so many politically correct people around.

    the whole point of showing the Dublin bombings was to prove that the UVF, UDA, etc are just as bad as the IRA, maybe even worse.:confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 130 ✭✭Gearoid


    They are seriously sick pictures to see, people don't seem to realise that that is a human being, how anyone could put bombs in places where civilians could be killed is sick, but so too is the showing of that on tv.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,924 ✭✭✭✭BuffyBot


    um yes of course. "distract from the subject at hand"

    Well, you did being Iraq into the debate.
    most Irish people are anti-IRA now with so many politically correct people around.

    If it's politically correct to find blowing innocent people up reprehensible, then yeah, I guess I'm politically correct.
    the whole point of showing the Dublin bombings was to prove that the UVF, UDA, etc are just as bad as the IRA

    Which I said a number of posts back. However, someone being "just as bad" doesn't make the IRA any better, does it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,981 ✭✭✭Caliden


    redleslie can you please remove some of your more gruesome pictures are they are quite disturbing and graphic and discust me severly, please.

    thanks


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31,967 ✭✭✭✭Sarky


    IRA?

    Terrorists, now.

    Once, they might have been doing something that someone somewhere could consider noble and patriotic (everybody likes freedom fighters, yes?), but since they ignored that treaty, not to mention orders from their leaders, they threw it all away and became contemptible scum.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 208 ✭✭David-[RLD]-


    Originally posted by BuffyBot
    Which I said a number of posts back. However, someone being "just as bad" doesn't make the IRA any better, does it?

    did I say that? just because I don't think they should be labelled as terrorists doesn't mean I like to see innocent people dying for no reason.

    isn't this more or less a one-sided debate? looks like I'm the only person here who's on the Republican side. would anyone like to prove me wrong on that?


  • Registered Users, Subscribers, Registered Users 2 Posts: 47,418 ✭✭✭✭Zaph


    I was up in Belfast today with some friends (I'm from Dublin) and we went on a guided tour of the city. The first part went around areas like the Falls and Shankill Roads, and there was a lot of information given in a completely non-judgemental and unbiased way (I'm not actually which side of the divide the guide was from, which is a good sign) about the atrocities carried out by both sides over the years.

    What the tour did for me was to reinforce a belief that I've held for a long time, that the IRA, as well as the other republican organisations and their loyalist counterparts are nothing less than murdering scum. What either lot of terrorists did in their misguided belief that it was in the name of their communities is completely inexcusable and totally unjustifiable.

    I actually couldn't give a ****e about a "united Ireland" one way or another, but even if I did I can't see how I would think that killing people would be an acceptable way of achieving such a thing.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,992 ✭✭✭✭gurramok


    Originally posted by Caliden
    redleslie can you please remove some of your more gruesome pictures are they are quite disturbing and graphic and discust me severly, please.

    thanks

    Is there not a ban on showing sick pics on a public internet board like this one ?
    (For all pics as of writing, not just red's)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 693 ✭✭✭The Beer Baron


    Buncha lazy bastards.
    I want to see rubble and saxon-innards strewn about like in the good ole days.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,466 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    Would a referendum be required south of the border before any united Ireland can happen?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,483 ✭✭✭✭daveirl


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 208 ✭✭David-[RLD]-


    Originally posted by daveirl
    That doesn't make the side any more valid. If we had a debate that all cars were powered by mind control and I was the only person arguing that point, and everyone else was arguing they were powered by the combustion engine, would my side suddenly become valid because I was the only person argueing that point.

    .....huh? that makes little or no sense. i didn't say that to make my point valid, i said it because everyone's ganging up on me because of my political beliefs. imo it's people like you who stop democracy from working. i'm hardly going out shooting people and detonating bombs, i'm living my life like a normal person with their own beliefs.

    the country is kinda like this now:

    "umm yes I'm a Republican"
    "you scumbag. i hate you. you're the cause of all the death blah blah blah"
    "why do you think i'm a scumbag? you don't know me"
    "because you're a Republican"

    :confused:

    is it just me or is this thread filled with prejudice against Republicans? my beliefs are my own, i'm entitled to them, and i'd really appreciate it if you didn't pick apart every single bit of my posts just to find something to get me with. :) ty

    <edit>i think the whole country is prejudiced against Republicans. if someone walked down the road wearing a t-shirt with "Tiocfaidh ár Lá" written on it they'd get a lot of dirty looks, but if someone walked down the road with a union jack t-shirt with "No Surrender" written on it nobody would care. i've seen it happen.</edit>


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,668 ✭✭✭nlgbbbblth


    Originally posted by Doctor J
    I.

    Where does it say a catholic has to be a nationalist and a protestant has to be a unionist?

    :rolleyes:
    I think you'll find that a slight majority of nationalists are Catholic and a slight majority of unionists are Protestants

    maybe even more than a "slight" majority:rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 208 ✭✭David-[RLD]-


    Wolfe Tone, Robert Emmet, James Connolly, Charles Stewart Parnell.

    All Protestants. All great Republicans. :)

    <edit>and Connolly was a communist too.</edit>


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,924 ✭✭✭✭BuffyBot


    imo it's people like you who stop democracy from working.

    Ermm, no. It's the people with the big guns and semtex that do that. Democracy does not include blowing people/things up when things aren't the way you want them. I don't think anyone on this thread has accused you of being involved, as you claim - however, you are the person who is here defending the actions of terrorists, lending them support and attempting to give them legitimacy they cannot claim.
    is it just me or is this thread filled with prejudice against Republicans?

    No. I doubt many people are prejudiced against Republicans. Personally I feel people are entitled to beleive in any political viewpoint they like (including little green men should be so inclined). I think what people have a problem with is your attempts to justify terrorist activities in support of political goals.
    my beliefs are my own, i'm entitled to them

    Well if you come on an internet dicussion forum and proclaim them, you should expect them to be examined and challenged.
    if someone walked down the road wearing a t-shirt with "Tiocfaidh ár Lá" written on it they'd get a lot of dirty looks

    Perhaps it says more about the level of support for the aims of the organsations you support than anything else.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,483 ✭✭✭✭daveirl


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 158 ✭✭Libertine


    The IRA are gay


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,981 ✭✭✭Caliden


    Originally posted by Libertine
    The IRA are gay

    your a poet and you dont know it :p


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,668 ✭✭✭nlgbbbblth


    Originally posted by David-[RLD]-
    Wolfe Tone, Robert Emmet, James Connolly, Charles Stewart Parnell.

    All Protestants. All great Republicans. :)


    Henry Grattan
    Thomas Davis

    you'd be surprised the number of people (particulary Irish Celtic supporters - the one's who think they're more Irish than the rest of us because they support a Scottish team) who are unaware of this part of our history and come out with such profound statements like "I hate Prods"; "All Prods are Orange bast.ards" etc


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