Do you believe in ghosts?

Kold · 15-01-2004 07:32PM

I won't believe unless given scientific evidence- which aint gonna happen

Elessar · 15-01-2004 07:33PM

I think it's rather naive not to believe in ghosts/the afterlife. After all, if this reality can exist (as in the universe we live in), what's to say that another one doesn't exist, different to our own?

Personally, I believe in ghosts, and think they're probably people or beings stuck here on the earth plane (or whatever you want to call it) for various reasons. How they interact with us or objects here is beyond me though.

There has to be more to life methinks, and consciousness must have a higher purpose. Does anyone else think the same way?

tinkerbell · 15-01-2004 07:36PM

Yop, my opinion is that we're ignorant to believe that there is only one form of life and that is the one that we can see and feel.

Plus, why is the universe so hooj if tiz jus to accomodate one life form and one tiny planet with life?

That's my two cents anyway

*goes to check that rods site*

Jus checked it ... so basically a rod is a UFO?

Kold · 15-01-2004 07:38PM

I won't deny the existance of them, however, I won't acknowledge it unless well persuaded

Karoma · 15-01-2004 07:54PM

Originally posted by Tommy Vercetti
I don't believe in ghosts but

I BELIEVE IN A THING CALLED LLLLOOOOOOOOOOOVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEE!

that's just carazy talk. foo'
love.pah!

ghosts...also pah!

ur mentor · 15-01-2004 11:37PM

interesing, the poll shows most vote tehy believe in paranormal yet comments and posts mostly do no. Are the believers afraid to comment?

TheSonOfBattles · 15-01-2004 11:50PM

Originally posted by dictatorcat
sounds like sleep paralysis, i've had it once or twice and it's very very freaky. It's believed to account for quite alot of "paranormal activity that occurs just before, during or after sleep.

more info at:watarts.uwaterloo.ca/~acheyne/S_P2.html#pp

Thanks, very interesting web page, about 1/3 of the way through it at the moment. Fits my experience down to the ground. I still believe in the paranormal, but this sleep paralysis is just one more weird part of life I guess.

Ur mentor has a good point by the way, what the hell is up with the poll results?

Exit · 16-01-2004 12:35AM

Originally posted by Elessar
I think it's rather naive not to believe in ghosts/the afterlife. After all, if this reality can exist (as in the universe we live in), what's to say that another one doesn't exist, different to our own?

Personally, I believe in ghosts, and think they're probably people or beings stuck here on the earth plane (or whatever you want to call it) for various reasons. How they interact with us or objects here is beyond me though.

There has to be more to life methinks, and consciousness must have a higher purpose. Does anyone else think the same way?

I don't 100% believe in ghosts, but I don't disbelieve. I agree entirely with your statement. We have no idea why we're here or what's out there. I always give the example that dogs only see in grey, so to a dog colours don't exist and they have no reason to believe they do. However, we do know they exist (in our eyes anyway). I'd imagine we're similar to dogs and that there are things out there that we're just not capable of seeing.

Grom · 16-01-2004 02:37AM

I dlove for you to show me this scientific breifing of were they were disproved.Ive been followign rods quite alot and have not heard of this,

You need to put the camera at about 10000.to get a good capture per frame and as for catching light look at the one that was shot in a tornado virtually in the dark the thing was about 40 ft long and zommed straight away at a vigerous speed.

One notion i have if you say that its the light captured wrong to me this is complete bull**** we all know light travles in straight lines at about the speed of 380000 kmh 3x10^8 or so hence unless refraction occurs were as it bends the rods which gives them this zipping funtion then it can not be light and when you look at most rods they are in open spaces were refraction does not happen. (oh and they certainly dont travel at the speed of light) however they do defy all physics quantum and relativity wonder if they got quantum and relativity together if they could solve it screw gravity and weak and stron emf's

So show me this light capturing data.Not saying your wrong id just like to analyise it(sp)

kenmobrien · 16-01-2004 01:04PM

Ghosts...hmmm..

Most of you seem to be sceptics.

I'm not sure what I believe. I think I like to believe that there is a possibility that there is ghosts etc., but I've never actually seen a shred of evidence.

I've heard numerous stories, including ouija board anecdotes, houses, poltergeists etc. I'd like to believe them, but stories are open to 'artistic licence' and can never be taken literally.

I have an open mind, maybe, maybe not.

eirebhoy · 16-01-2004 01:26PM

Just to cut a long story short. My father told us years ago that my older brother (about 11 at the time) saw a person in one of the bedrooms in my house. I thought nothing of it at the time and that was that. But now my niece (who is 2) is scaring my sister, who won't put her to sleep when it is dark anymore because the niece is always pointing over to the spot, where my brother was supposed to have seen the person, and saying man, man! She is still too young to put a sentence together so she can't describe what she is seeing.

My sister really believes her daughter can see someone and my brothers experience only backs it up more. I have seen my niece pointing at the spot once or twice when I have to go into her at about 3am and it is quite creepy.

I do believe it is the dead and not another form of life. People just don't want to believe in this stuff. There is as much a chance of there being Ghosts as there is of life on other planets.

kenmobrien · 16-01-2004 03:31PM

That's quite a chilling tale. Poor little thing, sure she probably doesn't understand. You just reminded me of another tale that I heard.

One day I went over to a friends house. He was playing guitar in the box room at the front of the house. I sat down and talked to him a while. The rest of the house was warm, but his room was quiet chilly. The radiator was on full blast, as it was in every other room in the house, and you would imagine that a smaller room would be warmer, but it wasn't. I asked him about this, and he then went into a story.

He told me about a couple who had lived in the house before his family had a young child, one year old, that died in a cot in that room. At the back of the room, on the wall there is a love heart, with the child's name written inside the heart. The love heart is written in red marker. The paper on the wall, covering the heart has peeled off. His family tried to put paper over the wall several times, but it keeps peeling off at that point.

Now, sceptics will pick holes in this, and well may they, as I am not saying that there were actually ghosts there, but it is creepy none the less.

Caesar_Bojangle · 16-01-2004 09:20PM

Ghosts are basically people from the future trying to time travel, but because their time travelling equipment isn't sophisticated enough they aren’t fully able to transport themselves. Its quite logical really.

ixoy · 17-01-2004 01:00AM

Originally posted by Caesar_Bojangle
Ghosts are basically people from the future trying to time travel, but because their time travelling equipment isn't sophisticated enough they aren’t fully able to transport themselves. Its quite logical really.

I'm sold.

Giblet · 17-01-2004 01:18AM

No, and you'd be an idiot to believe.

If you believe in ghosts, then you'd have to believe in all sorts of other crazy crap.

I remember thinking I saw a ghost when I was six, and I was like "oh no" Then I realised it was a funny shaped bundle of clothes, and also realised, you have to be stupid to believe in ghosts.

TheSonOfBattles · 17-01-2004 01:51AM

Originally posted by Giblet
No, and you'd be an idiot to believe.

If you believe in ghosts, then you'd have to believe in all sorts of other crazy crap.

I remember thinking I saw a ghost when I was six, and I was like "oh no" Then I realised it was a funny shaped bundle of clothes, and also realised, you have to be stupid to believe in ghosts.

Yet another award winning argument for why we shouldn't believe in ghosts. :rolleyes:

Giblet · 17-01-2004 02:01AM

Argument, there is no argument here, it's as clear as crystal. You are an idiot if you believe in ghosts, simple, it's the same as believing in Santa Claus. Do I have to explain why you shouldn't believe in Santa Claus, no.
Would you be considered an idiot if you, as an adult, believed in him. YES!

I don't need facts as there is no facts to prove or disprove, because there is no need.

Giblet · 17-01-2004 02:07AM

Originally posted by Praetorian
I'm a very sceptical person by nature, a 'Scully' if you will. Anyway, somehow the topic came up with my parents, and I was very surprised to find out that they both believe in ghosts! In fact they both claimed to have experienced weird events.

So tonight I kind of made fun of my parents, but just a few minutes ago I experienced something very freaky. Something that sounded kind of human hissed at me!!! We have some cats, but they are all outside, my pc speakers are off! What the f**k like! :eek:

I haven't been drinking or taking any drugs just in case you were wondering

You believe you saw or experienced something due to the suggestion of ghosts, not because you have become super aware or something.

I actually wonder will alot of people claim to have had a ghostly experience tonight after reading this thread.

TheSonOfBattles · 17-01-2004 05:43AM

My only real paranormal experience was disproved earlier on in the thread by someone else, who provided a link with quite a rational explanation which I now believe to be the cause because it makes a lot more sense than ghosts. After all what reason would one have to be hanging around in my room tbh.

That doesn't mean that i'm suddenly become so arrogant as to believe that this huge universe contains just one species in just one plane of existance. I'm not saying that ghosts, other lifeforms, aliens etc exist for definate. I'm not however niave enough to say that they don't exist at all, and that its pure rubbish, and anyone who believes in them is an idiot.

A lot of stuff people relate to paranormal or extra terrestrial activity is of course bull****, and a lot of people make money by playing off of other peoples belief, but that doesn't mean there isn't an inkling of truth in it either.

You say there are no facts to disprove or approve of ghosts. Fine, but facts are scientific in nature, and paranormal activity is by its very nature not scientific. If there was scientific evidence it'd be a huge paradox and a hoax for definate.

Bottom line: Don't be so arrogant as to believe only what you see, and you know is the truth. Try to keep an open mind eh.

Oh, and this is a family friendly site, Santa does exist, and don't try to prove otherwise.

BEAT · 17-01-2004 06:59AM

Yes Ghosts do exist.
No, not everyone dies to become a ghost.
Yes I believe and yes I have have SEVERAL experiences, infact I have had some sort of connection with the other side since I was a small child.
I think to be open enough to believe is to be open enough to recieve the messages that are being sent. Only someone with an open mind and open heart can be totally aware of thier surroundings and everything happening both naturally and supernaturally around them.

I think those who turn thier nose up at even the notion are just afraid to accept it or just to stubborn to accept that everything can not be explained. It would throw thier little world out of control to know that such a thing can happen without some bonified explanation.
What ever floats your boat I guess

tinkerbell · 17-01-2004 12:22PM

Originally posted by BEAT
Yes Ghosts do exist.
No, not everyone dies to become a ghost.
Yes I believe and yes I have have SEVERAL experiences, infact I have had some sort of connection with the other side since I was a small child.
I think to be open enough to believe is to be open enough to recieve the messages that are being sent. Only someone with an open mind and open heart can be totally aware of thier surroundings and everything happening both naturally and supernaturally around them.

I think those who turn thier nose up at even the notion are just afraid to accept it or just to stubborn to accept that everything can not be explained. It would throw thier little world out of control to know that such a thing can happen without some bonified explanation.
What ever floats your boat I guess

thou makest good sense! so what kinda experiences did you have?

me ist curious

Stark · 17-01-2004 02:37PM

Will someone delete every post by Giblet? "That's stupid" isn't a valid argument.

Personally I think the "emotional imprint" theory should hold some merit considering there is some (if highly inconclusive) evidence for it. There is quite likely more than the 4-dimensional space-time we commonly perceive (string theory states this) and as such the electrical patterns commonly going on in our brains could leave their mark on some of these extra surfaces.

Giblet · 17-01-2004 09:25PM

I'm sorry your still confused, but it's not an argument, its a fact. Everything people claim to have seen, can be disproved in one way or another, as seen in this thread.

BEAT · 18-01-2004 01:25AM

Originally posted by Giblet
I'm sorry your still confused, but it's not an argument, its a fact. Everything people claim to have seen, can be disproved in one way or another, as seen in this thread.

hey giblet,

That's stupid.

:rolleyes:

ll=llannah · 18-01-2004 01:43AM

i don't really think they exist, but i refuse to entirely rule out the possibility. more dimensions make life more layered and interesting.

TheSonOfBattles · 18-01-2004 01:53AM

Originally posted by Giblet
I'm sorry your still confused, but it's not an argument, its a fact. Everything people claim to have seen, can be disproved in one way or another, as seen in this thread.

FACT: The earth is flat.

FACT: Mars, Jupiter, Pluto et all are the only true gods.

FACT: Cavemen and dinosaurs existed alongside each other.

FACT: Being gay is a medical condition and can be cured.

FACT: The earth is the centre of the universe.

FACT: Whales are fish.

FACT: There's nothing smaller than an atom.

FACT: The four elements that make up everything are fire, wind, water and air.

FACT: You'd be a moron and a commie if you believe any of the above are false.

FACT: All the above were in fact, true, and scientific facts till new facts came along and disproved them.

Face it, most facts are based on either relgion, belief, illusion, culture or some other crap. Most facts are in fact...rubbish. By putting all your faith in science your putting all your faith in something thats constantly being proved WRONG. Science is good for only so much. You can't believe in science alone or you'll miss a lot of stuff.

tinkerbell · 18-01-2004 10:29AM

hehehehe, couldn't have put it better myself

anyway folks, come on, let's get back to the ghost stories! Anyone else have anythin they'd like to share?

By the way - were any of yous watchin the documentary on Discovery about a week ago - it was about haunted hotels? One of the hotels used to be the home of some prince dude, and every now and again, the guests jus leave for no reason sayin they can feel a presence - oh and they can also hear him comin up the stairs too....freaky.

Anyways, some people will prolly always refuse to believe in anythin other than human life as we see it - I guess you either are open to the idea that ghosts do exist or else you'll only believe once you see one (or two or three!)

But as TheSonOfBattles said, people used to think the earth was flat, and god help anyone who thought otherwise! And then they were proven wrong. T'will be the same regards to ghosts in say .... five hundred years

*cue twilight zone music*

eirebhoy · 18-01-2004 09:42PM

I don't know why people find it so strange that there could be ghosts. I assume that if you believe mediums can contact the spirit world then you would believe in ghosts? There was a medium (Robert Brown) on FM104 once or twice and if you heard the things he was telling the callers about there relations, etc. you would definitely have an open mind.

Fobia · 18-01-2004 09:56PM

I had a bad experiance with a wiedgy board (not sure on spelling)...........I believe that ghosts do exist, but that most of the stories you hear are fakes, I think they are actually very rare

kano476 · 18-01-2004 10:13PM

Have never had much of a paranormal experience meself. closest thing i ever had prolly was the shakes after too much drink. I felt like i had fallen through my bed.
Im not too sure about ghosts as such but i do believe in some "higher" force that we wil probably never be able to explain. This is not god or anyhting im talking about but i do believe there is something else along with us.

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