right to refuse entry?????

fixer · 26-12-2003 01:29AM

so some of you think you should sue because someone hurt your feelings when they wouldn't let you into their private business? they say America is bad with their litigation culture...what a joke.

there are plenty enough pubs and clubs to go around, don't worry about getting into places where they don't want you or you don't fit into.

if you *really* want to get in somewhere that has a tough door policy, you have a couple of options.

One is to make friends with someone who works there (door, bar or dj) or is a regular/vip. They can bring you in aqnd introduce you to the people they know a couple times, after that you should be known to them.

Another is to go to that place as soon as they open in the evening, when the door is fully open or the bouncers are more lax. No more than one or two of you! Say hello and goodbye to the bouncers and barstaff, thank them on the way out. After a couple times of seeing the same staff and if they responded in a friendly fashion, introduce yourself and make a comment like "see you next week". If you behave and dress appropriately for the place, you should be okay.

The last way is the worst, buy your way in. Find out of the place has a guest list number and book a table and champagne or bottle of Grey Goose & mixers. If it's a hotel, book a room. If it's a restaurant, book a table for dinner. Any which way, it'll cost you at least a couple hundred, so the place better be worth it.

Sangre · 26-12-2003 02:58PM

Originally posted by Bond-James Bond
Has the consitutionality of the 2003 liquor act been tested? I suspect that the secion dealing with right to refuse regardinging age would be as it is in direct conflict with the equal status act.

Well it would only really effect those with no money for the litigation process or time. Seriously, who could be arsed testing the constitutionality of an Act when you're 18?

Frank Grimes · 26-12-2003 03:28PM

Originally posted by Sangre
Also people are saying if you get refused move on thats fine, which you can do sometimes, but if 90% of your friends are in there and its one of their birthdays for example, it can be *very* frustrating not getting in*. You could be waiting for this night for a week or two and a group of people probably wont leave a club after paying for one person. Also that one person usually wouldnt want to ruin a good night.

That's why you're better off going somewhere that you know doesn't have a picky door policy.
Also, if you're meeting up with friends, they shouldn't have any problem moving on somewhere else to accomodate.

Sangre · 26-12-2003 03:31PM

Well I dont know about you but if about 10 of my friends were already in a club and had paid I wouldn't let them come out, I'd just go home and chalk it up to bad luck. I'd still be hellar pissed though.

Frank Grimes · 26-12-2003 03:35PM

Originally posted by Sangre
Well I dont know about you but if about 10 of my friends were already in a club and had paid I wouldn't let them come out, I'd just go home and chalk it up to bad luck. I'd still be hellar pissed though.

I don't get refused

But yeah, if there were loads I'd probably head home alright.
Like I said, it's better arranging to go somewhere you know you'll have no hassle rather than taking the chance of leaving someone out.

Sangre · 26-12-2003 03:41PM

Oh I completely agree, if there is loads of us going out or when one or two were still underage (me) we'd head to a place where we knew we probably would get in. Also we'd send up the iffy people first so we could move on if they got refused, lucky those days are past now but thankfully I've only been refused twice from anywhere for reasons stated above.

Victor · 26-12-2003 10:22PM

Originally posted by Bond-James Bond
Has the consitutionality of the 2003 liquor act been tested? I suspect that the secion dealing with right to refuse regardinging age would be as it is in direct conflict with the equal status act.

It doesn't conflict with it, it changes it.

Minime · 13-01-2004 06:44AM

Hi all,
please save your hissing until later. I know how most people fell about my profession. Anyway, to answer the question raised:

Resently the law has changed, We are not obligated to give a reason for a refuseal.

However, I do try to provide some sort of reason if I refuse someone, with the proviso that I won't offend.

Here are the top ten reasons:

Drunk/Druged
Dress code (Track suits/ sports tops, etc)
Trouble maker (based on past visits)
Thief (based on past visits/or local info)
15 mins to closing.

Try to remember that we are doing a job which regularly presents us with aggressive/drunk people. If we make a mistake...to error is human. Best rule of thumb is try being relaxed and make eye contact, try saying "hi" and smiling. One of the biggest worries is letting someone in who will be too quick to take offence at, for example a splilled drink, and a fight starts. Thats way we sometimes get in your face at the door to see if you will take the pressure in good spirits. Rememeber we are your host and are there to make sure you are safe as well as to be hated by all.

See you at Judge roy's and drink responsibly. O' and don't forget you ID it's the Law now.

Luv

the Bouncer

Minime · 13-01-2004 06:49AM

Hi again

before everyone with an axe to grind does, I will.

Spellings all over the place and the top ten was not ten.

SuperStudent · 13-01-2004 09:57AM

I think I speak for most people when I say Bouncers are degenerates.
They can choose wether you have a good night or not. Also, people sometimes
make mistakes, i.e get hammered and lose the power of balance however this
should not result in a f*cking lifetime ban.
Bouncers are usually angry fat worms that couldn't make it in the bullying world of secondary school.

BuffyBot · 13-01-2004 10:03AM

Originally posted by SuperStudent
I think I speak for most people when I say Bouncers are degenerates.
They can choose wether you have a good night or not. Also, people sometimes
make mistakes, i.e get hammered and lose the power of balance however this
should not result in a f*cking lifetime ban.
Bouncers are usually angry fat worms that couldn't make it in the bullying world of secondary school.

Yes, most people feel like you do. :rolleyes:

Muppet

SuperStudent · 13-01-2004 10:07AM

I know you do.

vibe666 · 13-01-2004 10:13AM

Originally posted by SuperStudent
I think I speak for most people when I say Bouncers are degenerates.

i think you speak for most muppets personally.

I've never had any trouble at all with any bouncer in all my years (12+) of going out on the piss.

they are there to do a job and make sure the majority of people have a good time and to stop the fvckwits ruining it for everyone else. if you consistently have trouble with them then i would suggest it says a lot more about you than it does about the bouncers.

SuperStudent · 13-01-2004 10:18AM

I don't have trouble with bouncers, as I said I don't have problems getting into places. However I don't like their superior attitude and the fact that one small mistake can get someone thrown out.

What I have noticed though is that bouncers outside Dublin are far more approachable and understanding, which is suprising. In Dublin they are
little hitlers.

seamus · 13-01-2004 10:22AM

Originally posted by SuperStudent
They can choose wether you have a good night or not.

No, you choose whether you have a good night or not. If you're sensitive enough to allow a bouncer's refusal to ruin your night out, then I suggest you go home, rewrap yourself in bubble wrap, and watch the big bad world from your safe bedroom window.

If a bouncer refuses me for an inane reason, or no reason at all, then the club isn't worthy of my custom, and I go somewhere else. Arguing is a waste of breath.

if you consistently have trouble with them then i would suggest it says a lot more about you than it does about the bouncers.

Agree completely.

SuperStudent · 13-01-2004 10:35AM

What if your going out with work colleagues and your the only one refused?
*and I don't have fuvking problems getting in, can't you cultchies read?*
That can ruin your night. Or if everyone is going to the one location for something specific and for some reason the bouncer says 'not tonight'. Does that not ruin the night? I've heard muppets at the doors say 'Ah fuvk it, I don't want to give you my custom' and they end up going home, or to some kip.
'the club isn't worthy of my custom' is just something people say to make themselfs believe that they don't care.

woosaysdan · 13-01-2004 11:37AM

if you start mouthing off to bouncers your deffinately not going to get into a club your best bet is to go somewhere else and enjoy the night there instead of wasting your time giving some bouncer abuse!!! there are really going to change their mind if you give them abuse:rolleyes:

Pinkchick03 · 13-01-2004 11:48AM

If you think thats bad then I'll give you a good one - There's a new pub in Dundalk called "Danes" and it has an over 23 policy! What a f**king joke! I'm 21 and I got in but they didn't ask me for ID! Anyway the point of what I'm sayin is that two of my friends both over 21+sober went up to the door showed ID+Bouncer said sorry its over 23's! How daft is that!???

seamus · 13-01-2004 12:33PM

Originally posted by SuperStudent
What if your going out with work colleagues and your the only one refused?
That can ruin your night. Or if everyone is going to the one location for something specific and for some reason the bouncer says 'not tonight'. Does that not ruin the night? I've heard muppets at the doors say 'Ah fuvk it, I don't want to give you my custom' and they end up going home, or to some kip.
'the club isn't worthy of my custom' is just something people say to make themselfs believe that they don't care.

No, if your mates were anyway half decent, at least some of them would leave and go somewhere else with you. When your mate doesn't get in for no good reason, and has nowhere else to go but home, you don't let him go home. A good night is about who you're with, not where you are.

*and I don't have fuvking problems getting in, can't you cultchies read?*

If I was a culchie I might be moderately offended :rolleyes:

SuperStudent · 13-01-2004 12:44PM

Originally posted by seamus
No, if your mates were anyway half decent, at least some of them would leave and go somewhere else with you. When your mate doesn't get in for no good reason, and has nowhere else to go but home, you don't let him go home. A good night is about who you're with, not where you are.

I'm talking about consequenses. Not a normal night out. If one of my friends couldn't get in for some reason, we'd go somewhere else. But I'm talking about a circumstance which required everyone to be somewhere, i.e a prebooked party for a birthday etc.

ixoy · 13-01-2004 01:23PM

Originally posted by Pinkchick03
If you think thats bad then I'll give you a good one - There's a new pub in Dundalk called "Danes" and it has an over 23 policy! What a f**king joke! I'm 21 and I got in but they didn't ask me for ID! Anyway the point of what I'm sayin is that two of my friends both over 21+sober went up to the door showed ID+Bouncer said sorry its over 23's! How daft is that!???

The club has the right to do so. It's been discussed already but again: there are certain folk who would prefer not to have a younger crowd in their pub. You can argue all you like about discrimination but younger people are less likely to hold their drink due to a greater level of immaturity. It's a small tiny percentage of those under 23 - before you leap down my throat - but it's most likely a greater tiny percentage than other age categories.
There's also the fact they may like to meet people their own age, rather than bump into bopping teens on the dancefloor.
If there's a market there, let them have it. You can't do anything but point and laugh at the owner if his/her venture fails.

seamus · 13-01-2004 01:34PM

Originally posted by SuperStudent
I'm talking about consequenses. Not a normal night out. If one of my friends couldn't get in for some reason, we'd go somewhere else. But I'm talking about a circumstance which required everyone to be somewhere, i.e a prebooked party for a birthday etc.

I've never seen anyone refused from a private party by bouncers, but I suppose it's not unheard of...

monument · 13-01-2004 02:22PM

Originally posted by SuperStudent
I think I speak for most people when I say Bouncers are degenerates.
They can choose wether you have a good night or not. Also, people sometimes
make mistakes, i.e get hammered and lose the power of balance however this
should not result in a f*cking lifetime ban.
Bouncers are usually angry fat worms that couldn't make it in the bullying world of secondary school.

I'll have to agree with vibe & BuffyBot - muppet.

gazzer · 13-01-2004 02:37PM

i agree that bouncers in Dublin have a job to do but it does seem to differ from (in my experience) bouncers in other places i have visited. For example i have been in manchester, Liverpool, Leeds and a few other english cities over the years and i have never ever been refused entry from a pub. The bouncers in these places seem to be there to deal with trouble from within the pub, not to decide who is allowed in or not.

It can be very annoying in Dublin when you turn up at a pub to be told you are not getting in, not regular etc etc even though you may have been in that pub a good few times before.

I went to Isoldes tower around 5 times in one particular month, then about a week later i went to go in, i was on my own (friends where in there), the bouncer said regulars only, i explained i had been in the pub a good few times over the last month but he wasnt for changing his mind. I wouldnt mind, i was dressed well, i had no drink on me as i had just got into town. The bouncers on the door that night where the same ones who had been on the door the last two times i was there, and no i hadnt caused trouble the last time i was there.

Funnily enough about two weeks later i was on my way home and just to see i went up to Isolodes to see what the bouncers would say. Same bouncers there and they let me in no problem..

ixoy · 13-01-2004 03:01PM

Yeah Isolodes' bouncers can be a bit twatty. My mate goes there regularly and then - one time - they stopped us and started questioning. Asking crap about what the pizza I had for dinner was like. They let us in eventually, but I could see my friend getting increasingly agitated as he too was a regular.

right to refuse entry?????

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