terrorised by group of youths - advice

Karoma · 09-01-2004 02:16PM

i'll say this for the last time. i am under no illusion that it will definitely work, but i think that the talk to the parents routine should be the step before violence.
as for reg plate number: masking tape-it goes on quickly and comes off....

The Beer Baron · 09-01-2004 02:31PM

Now really: Is sterilisation of a large swathe of the population really a bad idea you bleeding heart liberals?!

Of course not!
Irradiated Budweiser, Bacardi Breezers and WKD etc, - that's always been my plan.
:ninja:

Stark · 09-01-2004 02:32PM

These days there's not much that parent's can do. Most parents are reluctant to slap their kids. I'm in favour of this in general, I mean you can't go slapping your little ten year old for every indescretion. However if you're child's a little gourier like these ones, then he deserves it. In fact what he actually does deserve would probably land the parents in prison.

I know the problem from when I lived back home in Cork. I was a bit selfish and escaped the problem by moving out (although it's still hell coming down for weekends). Ignoring them generally doesn't work, they'll just step up the attacks until you can't ignore them. Have tried grabbing them to give them the odd punch, but they're slimy little bastards who keep slipping away.

Karoma · 09-01-2004 02:33PM

..and dutch gold.

ykt0di9url7bc3 · 09-01-2004 02:35PM

supersoaker + bleach

target clothes....

case solved

D!ve^Bomb! · 09-01-2004 02:35PM

get someone u know who has a van, and a few family friends to help,, go round looking for a few of em,, when u see em, pull them into the van, knock them out with a swift blow to the head.. undress them, tape dildos to their hands(ala dirty sanchez), bring them to a tattooist who has a dislike of scum, get him to tattoo EVERYWHERE, including tattooing clown makeup on their faces,
now u have two choices..

a) bring them up the wicklow mountains, let them make their own way back, naked of course..

b)drop them off in the middle of town on a saturday afternoon, naked of coure..(i recommend central bank, let the rockers have a good look)

they probably will want to get their own back, but its all worth it..:D

Praetorian · 09-01-2004 02:36PM

Commuterised,

I used to live in a little town in North Co Dublin and we had similar problems; in fact we had a worse time. My siblings and I were bullied by older kids from the word go, they all lived around the corner in the Co Council estate. My fathers car was vandalised repeatedly, the trees which my father planted were broken, our house windows were broken and believe it or not, our garden wall was knocked down (we had a ¼ acre garden, so it had a big wall!). My father worked very hard to buy that land and to build his own nice big house. I think the primary cause for all the sh*te was jealousy.

The cops were absolutely no help at all, in fact I think they were scared of the older individuals. The trouble mostly happened when my father was away, working or otherwise, one time however he was around and he caught an individual spraying paint on his car, he gave him a deserved hiding. On another occasion, rubbish was being dumped in our back garden, my uncle and my dad gave those guys a right beating. This ended hostilities against us but we were completely fed up with the town at this stage.

We had lived there for 10 years in total, but the amazing thing was, we were always considered as ‘outsiders’. We moved to a bigger and better town / neighbourhood.

Trojan · 09-01-2004 02:36PM

Originally posted by Karoma
then you're not much better. jumping to violence without attempting any other real course of action

Other action has been attempted - contacting the authorities.

Being "not much better"? Who gives a damn - this is about a real-world solution to a real-world problem that is not being solved in a civilised way (under our definition of the word civilisation - can you imagine this happening a hundred years ago?).

Al.

Karoma · 09-01-2004 02:42PM

not being solved in a civilised way?
what civilised attempt has been attempted?! running to the gardai isn't quite "civilised". I whole heartedly recommend giving each of them (and if the need arises,their families) a kicking-but only after all other avenues have been attempted..

Beëlzebooze · 09-01-2004 03:10PM

Originally posted by newband

b)drop them off in the middle of town on a saturday afternoon, naked of coure..(i recommend central bank, let the rockers have a good look)

now this one is original, yup I like it!

Karoma · 09-01-2004 03:15PM

yeah,cause naked people in awkward situations is an uncommon sight around temple barf...
:rolleyes:

(think: stag nights..)

whosurpaddy · 09-01-2004 03:19PM

Originally posted by k.oriordan
some smart alec in the group will probably take the registration number of the van (I assume you're planning on using a rented van) and report it.

in fairness if u were goin to go to the lengths to set this up i think u d have the intelligence to cover the licence plate with mud or something similar. its hardly the biggest logistical problem with setting up something like that.

luckat · 09-01-2004 03:25PM

Interesting chance for a little behavioural science. Maybe you could call the various psychology departments in the universities and offer them this situation as a study - see if they'd like to set it as a problem for their students to solve.

Karoma · 09-01-2004 03:27PM

or contact channel 4 and see if they want to base their entire season on it..

(rough idea: lock them into a room.no food.no water.blunt sticks.nothing,but a promise that the last surviving will be released.of course,being a mass murderer:it's ok to leave him locked up...)

vinnyfitz · 09-01-2004 03:44PM

Originally posted by commuterised
They only come out when it's dark and retreat back up a dark laneway when they've thrown things or said things.

One thing would be to get on to the Council and get the dark lane lit properly. In general you shoud talk to both Council officials and your local councillors about this. You never know what information they might have that could be useful.

BuffyBot · 09-01-2004 04:33PM

Do like a work colleague of mine did: sow the seeds of dissent. Targwet the leader as you walk by and say to him "Oh hiya X, the Gardai said that information you gave me was very useful! etc". Set them at each others throats

Stark · 09-01-2004 04:39PM

tried that before - they know better unfortunately - "yeah right boi, what are you on about?". Alliances change as well, someone could be the "leader" one week, and the bitch the next week (usually after someone humiliates them as per suggested) to be replaced by a new leader. They're adaptive little pests. It's an interesting group dynamic as well - "at each other's throats"? - sometimes you get the loyal groups - "fiends, there's the fiend who thumped Anto!", other times you get the anarchist groups who just seem to fall into the same group on a particular night. These are just as dangerous, and you have to target every member of the group, not just the leader, else the group will simply change shape. The good thing about these groups is they're not so bent on revenge, so you don't have to worry about starting a gang war.

DMT · 09-01-2004 05:01PM

Find out who their parents are somehow, and sue their asses. The thought of actually losing money over their kids behaviour may put a stop to them.

Other than that, it's down the murky root of punishment beatings and knee-cappings....

D-! · 09-01-2004 05:12PM

did u say they lived in a council house?

you might be able to report them to the council for this and they can treathen them with eviction if the "anti-social" behaviour doesnt stop it should stop then.

Get a few people to complain if you can

Redleslie · 09-01-2004 05:15PM

Call the local Sinn Fein rep. Seriously.

Obscure · 09-01-2004 05:15PM

Forget all that vigiliante ****!

If these kids are a problem for a number of people on your street then it might not be that hard to get a neighbourhood watch thing going.

Drop in letters to your neighbours explaining the problem, which they all must know exists, and see what reaction you can get from them. If you have a group of 3 adults walking up and down the street every weekday between the hours of 8-10, the kids will feel like right tits hanging around doing nothing and they'll move on after a while. In terms of safety, when your in a group they arent going to do sqwat!

It would be much easier to confront the parents of these kids as a neighbourhood group than on your own, in which case you would be singling yourself out.

The upside also is that you could get the chance to meet other people on the street that you otherwise may not meet. Which can't be a bad thing when you move into a new area!

http://www.oasis.gov.ie/justice/crime_prevention/neighbourhood_watch.html

Good luck.

Sauron · 09-01-2004 05:29PM

Quite a predicement there...:dunno:
I really think the camcorder thing will work.... sneak to the window, video for a while so you have enough to incriminate them and THEN let them see you.. they will react in one of three ways:
1) -they will freak out, run away and never come back
2)- they will run away but come back in a more thought out attack, ie come up quietly and throw stuff and run away before you can video them.
3)- they will continue to attack regardless.. most likely make it worse.

but which ever one of these they choose, you will have evidence to bring to the guards and they cant really say that they cant do anything...If they go to the houses, and the litle scumbags are warned directly and severely, they will most likely stop...this would be the option for me...But if this doesn't work.. I would think violence would be the most likely deterrant....And get other parents involved..Obscure has some good sugestions too
Thats me anyway
really sorry to hear about the problem though..good luck.

spongebob · 09-01-2004 05:32PM

Originally posted by commuterised
He was told that there was nothing they could do. We know exactly who these guys are, and so do the guards, but they said the most they could do is caution them which wont' stop them. They live in the local council estate and are well known but seem untouchable.

The Guards can take them to court but are probably too lazy. Once taken to court and convicted the parents can be ordered to pay for the damage by the judge (since October 2003) . Now your main problem is lazy Guards IMO

If you 'spotted' them near the cop station 'up to no good' and reported some 'damage' you saw them cause to a cops OWN car outside <cough ahem> you would see vanloads of plod wailing up to the Council estate within minutes. The guard would investigate very 'thouroughly' and would 'secure' a conviction in court ......damn sure

M

blondie83 · 09-01-2004 05:43PM

I think you should either video them, or take pictures. Then go straight to the parents and show them the video or pictures, which should take care of the "my little Anto wouldn't do that". Then you pleasantly(sp) explain to them that if it happens even once more you will be taking your evidence to the guards, and suing the parents for the damage caused. Plain, simple facts of life! Even if the parents are as bad as the kids they won't want this happenning.

If this doesn't work, and it happens again, then bring your photos, or videos to the guards. If the guards refuse to do anything, mention to them (again very pleasantly), that unfortunately you can't leave the situation as it is, so you will be informing your local TD, and newspaper about the guards response, as well as showing them the pictures. That should get the ball rolling!

daveirl · 09-01-2004 06:29PM

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Giblet · 09-01-2004 06:40PM

Get a photo, or a video of them, then bring that to the guards. Evidence of them doing it will prompt action. A similar thing happened in my estate, although no tto me or my family. The family in question got a video of them throwing stones. Then they identified them culprits and went to their houses. Stopped ever since.

Walter Ego · 09-01-2004 07:10PM

Originally posted by Giblet
Get a photo, or a video of them, then bring that to the guards. Evidence of them doing it will prompt action.

I'm not so sure this will work. There was video broadcast on TV of Gardaí beating seven shades of sh1te out of people on May Day and that was very reluctantly acted upon.

Originally posted by commuterised
Guys,
8 months ago myself and my husband busted ourselves financially to buy a good house in an area we were happy with

I'm sorry to tell you, but you didn't pick your area very well. I would suggest you get yourself a good estate agent and get out while the going is good. Be more careful next time. Don't only go and view the house with the estate agent, go back at 10:00pm and see who is hanging around and what are they doing. If the local shops have grids on the windows during the day while they are trading take the hint.
In the meantime beg borrow or steal a good big f*cking dog or better yet a pair of them. Fear is all those f*uckers understand.

You have my sympathy.

Agent Smith · 09-01-2004 07:30PM

Beruthiel

should this not be in pi?

any way.... the county flag's is a good thing...... my family are from nerwy and we got a lot of abuse about 10 years ago.....
my family being called prodi w@nkers and brits and wantnot's....
(the sad thing is my mother is from dublin, Nerwy is a VERY cathlioc city, my father is a natinolist......)

we put out the dublin flag's when dublin were playing and pooft..... they went somewhere else.....

Karl Hungus · 09-01-2004 07:31PM

Get a big ****-off dog, as suggested.
A Labrador would be perfect, as they're quite nice dogs, but their size is quite imposing.
Dogs will generally bark at strangers anyway.

Also, if you know where they live, put a brick through their window at 3 in the morning. It'll terrify the ****e out of them, and their parents wouldn't be happy with paying for a new window either, especially with a slightly threatening note implicating the kid's actions as provocation. Aim for a bedroom window, as that'll really scare the **** out of whoever's in the room, and it would need to be replaced more urgently.

And if the little farts have been annoying the street for some time, they'll have no idea who it is, and as a result the parents would sooner give their kids a good kicking, rather than attempting to find out who it is.

Tommy Vercetti · 09-01-2004 07:58PM

I think it's pretty obvious she doesn't want to go down the vigilante/violent route, so there's no point in saying "get a van etc.". Talk to your local TD's and councillors, some of them can be extremely helpful in these situations.

terrorised by group of youths - advice

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