Saddam busted

Faust · 14-12-2003 07:21PM

Originally posted by Alpha Male
Is supporting terrorism an offence in this country? Because personally I find the above language offensive and I am disgusted with Boards.ie for allowing one of it's moderators to make highly offensive remarks of this kind which glorifies the murder of Iraqi's, American troops, UN personnel and international journalists and trivializes the situation out there and the people affected by it!

I agree with the above statement and or remark.

Alpha Male · 14-12-2003 07:26PM

Originally posted by Faust
i.racist
ii. paranoid
iii.idiot

It's unbelievable that he is also a moderator. I think the administrators of this board should strip him of his moderator duties and even to go as far as banning him from the boards altogether.

Alpha Male · 14-12-2003 07:32PM

Originally posted by utility_
So...what exactly is he going to be charged with then?

Crimes against humanity. The attrocities he committed against the people of Iraq are well documented

The Beer Baron · 14-12-2003 09:05PM

Crimes against humanity. The attrocities he committed against the people of Iraq are well documented

Show me any country on earth that hasn't committed atrocities?
I could point @ the Bush administration, or Israel or...neh that's so hackneyed now I...no sorry I brought it up. Let's...yeah...

It's all to easy, for example, to paint both sides of both the War of Independance and the Irish Civil War with the "Atrocity" brush.

There's lots of bad people in the world.
The world is full of Saddams.
The US had a vast well of despotism from which to draw their blood, but they wanted to draw oil up with it. Simple as that.

No wmd's of course, and no Osama, but they got Saddam with a beard.
Net result? Bush, (re)elected in 2004.

14-12-2003 09:26PM

Originally posted by Alpha Male
Crimes against humanity. The attrocities he committed against the people of Iraq are well documented

Don't forget that he had the BACKING of the Americans during alot of these major atrocities, and don't go expecting that stuff to be dragged up in court..

The Beer Baron · 14-12-2003 09:52PM

No no, Utility_, you got it wrong.
When American chemical weaponry is employed by a benevolant and enlightened leader against hostile anti-American anti-Democratic Iranians as happened in the 80's well that's ok. I mean Ayatollah Khomeini was an evil madman who killed his own people and...

...oh wait.

Isn't politics grand!

Alpha Male · 14-12-2003 10:57PM

It's a pity that some people are blinded by their anti-yank theories and they can't face the fact that Saddam Hussien is a genocidal maniac who practiced the deadly arts of murder, rape, torture and genocide which is so common amoungest megalomaniac dictators, but instead blame the USA's foriegn policy from a previous generation and long before any of these atrocities were known to the public.

It's these anti-yank theories that have also made me look at the policies of George Bush and the guys behind him that I have gone from dispising them to actually agreeing with some of them.

Also, I hope he wins next November just to see the faces of the people who hate him, I'm sure they'll be hysterical just like when the Iraqi's where cheering and dancing when they toppled over the statue of Saddam and it was shown on all the television screens.

The Beer Baron · 14-12-2003 11:52PM

It's a pity that some people are blinded by their anti-yank theories and they can't face the fact that Saddam Hussien is a genocidal maniac who practiced the deadly arts of murder, rape, torture and genocide which is so common amoungest megalomaniac dictators, but instead blame the USA's foriegn policy from a previous generation and long before any of these atrocities were known to the public.

Yeh.
Then again anti-Americanism is just soooooo in vogue right now.

I'm not disputing that Saddam was a nasty piece of work. The guy should be strung up by the balls Mussolini style and I'd be happy to throw bricks @ his skull.

However the supply of arms to Iraq to fight Iran is hardly an "anti-yank" theory.
Nor is the reality that the world is full of equally vile men who abuse their power to kill and to coerce those who oppose them. Yet they take out the leader of one of the largest oil-bearing nations on this earth. .

There- it's done. I'm not going to go on about it any more because this topic has been done to death...next...

14-12-2003 11:59PM

Originally posted by Alpha Male
It's a pity that some people are blinded by their anti-yank theories and they can't face the fact that Saddam Hussien is a genocidal maniac who practiced the deadly arts of murder, rape, torture and genocide which is so common amoungest megalomaniac dictators, but instead blame the USA's foriegn policy from a previous generation and long before any of these atrocities were known to the public.

Nah, its just a pity that the USA's foreign policy HASN'T changed as in if they dont like you they will do their best to dispose of you and if they do like you they will do their best to keep you in power. Only problem with that is that they sometimes dislike the GOOD, and LOVE the bad, depending on how much the country in question can benefit America.

THEN, there's the countries that go from bad to good at the snap of a finger - i.e. Musharraf's Pakistan, Saddams Iraq, Iran!? etc..

W ashington's foreign policy not only tolerates this kind of behaviour; at times it positively depends on it. It is thanks to the monarchs and dictators of the Arab world that widespread anger over recent events in the Middle East have not erupted into popular and violent disturbances. The last thing America needs now is elections in a country like Saudi Arabia, let alone Jordan or Syria.

To point this out is no more anti-American than it was anti-British to argue against the empire. Those who bandy about accusations of knee-jerk anti-Americanism might check their own reflexes rather than offering uncritical support to the US at this most critical time. "'Our country is strong,' we are told again and again," wrote the American intellectual Susan Sontag after September 11. "I for one don't find this entirely consoling. Who doubts that America is strong? But that's not all America has to be."

15-12-2003 12:04AM

Originally posted by The Beer Baron
However the supply of arms to Iraq to fight Iran is hardly an "anti-yank" theory.

Don't forget that they also supplied arms to Iran prior to the Iran/Iraq war. Why? Maybe it was in their national interest to have these countries blow the fúck out of each other...maybe..

TheSonOfBattles · 15-12-2003 12:09AM

Even though i've been laughin at the fact that Saddam was caught, and the slightly weird cirumstances in which he was caught all day, and making jokes about it(and I will continue to laugh and make jokes about it) the truth is: Neither Alpha Male or anyone else here, and this includes me know the real truth. We all tell ourselves we do, and that the knowledge we've garnered from newspapers, televisions and other sources is in fact the real truth. But their not: Saddam Hussein may have been the scourge of the world, George Bush may have gone in just for the oil, and to take american's minds of how **** america is. Then again, Saddam may have been the brillaint leader some say he was, and George Bush and america may have gone in solely to remove him from power. The truth is, we'll never know the truth, no one ever will no the whole truth, and most of the time, the best truth we can know is what falls in the middle i.e. George Bush probably believes he was doin the right thing, Saddam Hussein was propably a good man in some respects, and probably believed he was doin the good for his country and when he was caught there probably wasn't much resistance.

That said, I don't want to see George Bush in power again, I personally believe he is the greatest threat to world peace in a long time, and that both him and saddam are assholes, and would love to see both of them exiled or killed. But that's my opinion, and in the end, our opinions and truths are always gonna be wrong in some way.

Anyways, the original point I wanted to make is GET OVER IT. You don't know the truth, you never will, so stop tryin to flame people who have differant opinions than you do. I certainly am, because once i'm done laughin and jokin, those funnies will be the only real effect this whole thing has had on my life by the looks of things.

elexes · 15-12-2003 12:51AM

i believe he was found when he left his hole to chk the times for lotr in his local cinema but wa mistaken for osam bin ( whatever the fuck is name is )

Winters · 15-12-2003 01:15AM

Originally posted by TheSonOfBattles
the truth is: Neither Alpha Male or anyone else here, and this includes me know the real truth. We all tell ourselves we do, and that the knowledge we've garnered from newspapers, televisions and other sources is in fact the real truth. But their not: Saddam Hussein may have been the scourge of the world, George Bush may have gone in just for the oil, and to take american's minds of how **** america is. Then again, Saddam may have been the brillaint leader some say he was, and George Bush and america may have gone in solely to remove him from power. The truth is, we'll never know the truth, no one ever will no the whole truth, and most of the time, the best truth we can know is what falls in the middle i.e. George Bush probably believes he was doin the right thing, Saddam Hussein was propably a good man in some respects, and probably believed he was doin the good for his country and when he was caught there probably wasn't much resistance.

That said, I don't want to see George Bush in power again, I personally believe he is the greatest threat to world peace in a long time, and that both him and saddam are assholes, and would love to see both of them exiled or killed. But that's my opinion, and in the end, our opinions and truths are always gonna be wrong in some way.

Anyways, the original point I wanted to make is GET OVER IT. You don't know the truth, you never will, so stop tryin to flame people who have differant opinions than you do. I certainly am, because once i'm done laughin and jokin, those funnies will be the only real effect this whole thing has had on my life by the looks of things.

here here.

What you see and what you read is never the "real" truth. Look at all the papers leading up to the war, each told differant stories, each told differant sides. Each tried to sway peoples opinions. You never knoew what was going on, you never knew what was happening.

Originally posted by Faust
i.racist
ii. paranoid
iii.idiot

Racist? Maybe I am but i dont look upon myself as being racist. But everyone is racist in some way, nobody can ever say they never said something racist or even that they are not racist. Everyone is, nobody is perfect.

paranoid? maybe I am paranoid, I have just come to the conclusion that i cannot trust a country that is allowing [for example] Isreal to breaknumerous UN laws and agreements and continue to invate Palestine land and also supply them with arms of way to help them invade. How can you trust a country that gave weapons to Iraq to fight Iran and also then to Iran to fight Iraq in the same war, money? I just dont like the idea of one country thinking that they can control and police the world as they please. Where did International Co-operartion and agreemeny go?

idiot? I have never met you and you have neither me so i dont think you should come to calling me an idoit yet. But if it makes you feel happier you seem to be one too.....

Originally posted by Alpha Male
Is supporting terrorism an offence in this country? Because personally I find the above language offensive and I am disgusted with Boards.ie for allowing one of it's moderators to make highly offensive remarks of this kind which glorifies the murder of Iraqi's, American troops, UN personnel and international journalists and trivializes the situation out there and the people affected by it!

Supporting terrorism? Is supporting the 1916 rising or talking in support of the 1916 rising an act of terrorism? Sure if you look at it Ireland only became a republic after commiting terrorism on the UK in order to regain control of it. What is terrorism? Every little conflict today is now being branded as terrorism by the media. What used to be a small dispute is now a country being terrorised. Everything is now terrorism according to papers and media.

Boards.ie has nothing to do with my view and cannot alter my views. You must be quite stupid to believe that boards.ie control how people think. My views have nothing to do with what I moderate so i cant see why you bring this up unless you lust to become a mod. In supporting the Iraqi's do i condone the murder of innocent people? no. I am mearly stating that attacks on the US will be incrased 10 fold now he has been "captured". I dont condone the murder of innocent people but remember, this was an illegal way under international views... remember the US are still looking for that "smoking gun" .... which does not really seem to exist.

In reality, Iraq is a very devided country een if Saddam had not come to power. The differant cultuers in the country do really, at this presant point in time, not make it ready for a "US" democracy. Not every country in the world can just turn into a democracy as what seems to be expected in Iraq.

monument · 15-12-2003 01:20AM

Originally posted by Alpha Male
Is supporting terrorism an offence in this country? Because personally I find the above language offensive and I am disgusted with Boards.ie for allowing one of it's moderators to make highly offensive remarks of this kind which glorifies the murder of Iraqi's, American troops, UN personnel and international journalists and trivializes the situation out there and the people affected by it!

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:

The US invaded Iraq. Did somebody forget to tell you that?

Anyway, have the US not killed more American troops, and international journalists then the Iraqis?

Originally posted by Alpha Male
Is supporting terrorism an offence in this country?

Now you’re getting confused - that was Iraq before the invasion.

But hey, vote for the PDs, our current Justice Minister might fulfill that and many more restrictions to our freedoms.

Winters · 15-12-2003 01:30AM

Originally posted by monument
The US invaded Iraq. Did somebody forget to tell you that?

Anyway, have the US not killed more American troops, and international journalists then the Iraqis?

ah yes, friendly fire. Did you know that the British Defence Minstery bought loats of Orange paint and were panting their tanks Orange on the way over to Iraq [literally, on the ship's]. The reason I heard by a soilder was so as that they wouldnt get blown up by the
Americans with friendly fire. They then discovered that the US use black and white film in their missiles and planes so it would have made no differance. Dont forget that BBC journilist who was nearly killed in northern iraq when a US plane shot up a convoy of jeeps of us soilders, iraqi's and reporters. They had US flgs on the jeeps then too..

Also I would liek to apoligise if i caused offence to anyone, it was not my plan. If you are offended then PM me and tell me, dont start making wild posts about how I should be removed from stuff just cos I think a certain way. That is how Hitler and Saddam [your friend] operated. You are jsut lowering yourself to their level tbh. But sorry if I caused offence, should have probably worded it better.

sceptre · 15-12-2003 01:32AM

Originally posted by Alpha Male
Is supporting terrorism an offence in this country?

No it isn't -at least not in the way you ask. Aiding terrorists or people involved in terrorist acts or being a member of a proscribed organisation are offences.

Töpher · 15-12-2003 01:51AM

TheSonOfBattles had it perfect in is his comments above.

I just wish Bill Hicks was alive today. Oh how much fun he would be having today!

Mossy Monk · 15-12-2003 11:53AM

does anyone else find it hypocritical of the United states to parade him on tv. i remember when captive US soldiers were shown on Arab television there was an outcry from the United States

my 2 cents

seamus · 15-12-2003 12:14PM

Originally posted by Alpha Male
Is supporting terrorism an offence in this country? Because personally I find the above language offensive and I am disgusted with Boards.ie for allowing one of it's moderators to make highly offensive remarks of this kind which glorifies the murder of Iraqi's, American troops, UN personnel and international journalists and trivializes the situation out there and the people affected by it!

Voicing your support for it here is safer than in America, land of the free and all that :rolleyes:.
Besides, attacking an 'occupying force' (as the Coalition themselves continually call themselves) within your own country is generally called resistance.

Terrorism is the use of, uh, terror for political or personal gain, or as dictionary.com puts it...

The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Dare I say that the GWB in Iraq falls into that category?
Since most of the attacks in Iraq take place against the Coalition forces, you can't exactly say they're attempting to coerce the Iraqi society or the Iraqi government.

I also find it funny that some news stations have claimed that they've carried out a DNA test. That's pretty impressive. {edit: removed. I'm wrong...DNA testing can be done in a day or two}.

Carbiens · 15-12-2003 12:26PM

Originally posted by Alpha Male
Is supporting terrorism an offence in this country? Because personally I find the above language offensive and I am disgusted with Boards.ie for allowing one of it's moderators to make highly offensive remarks of this kind which glorifies the murder of Iraqi's, American troops, UN personnel and international journalists and trivializes the situation out there and the people affected by it!

Originally posted by Alpha Male
It's unbelievable that he is also a moderator. I think the administrators of this board should strip him of his moderator duties and even to go as far as banning him from the boards altogether.

that aint how things get done around here buddy, slow down, relax a bit, everyone is entitled to their say.

[rant]
and Winters, the U.S. military forces are not made up of kids and rednecks, despite the fact that their political leaders may me trigger happy, does NOT mean the average profesional soldier is the same.

we can all say how much we hate bush, hate america..la di da, this does not give any of us the right to criticise or ridicule the man on the ground. they are out there doing a job that they have trained long and hard to do. With the exeption of the mainstream U.S. Army, (which although are well trained they are not to the standard of other countries main defence forces) all of the other infantry branches of the U.S. military are among the best in the world. and their mechanised and air forces are the best in the world, and although you may counter-argue with the "friendly fire" incidents, most of these cases were down to lack of inteligence from senior officials and not down to "one man and his gun".

so until you've been through what theve been through to get where they are today, dont you dare have the nerve to ridicule someone whose out there doing a hard job, and doing it well.

[/rant]

Walter Ego · 15-12-2003 12:33PM

According to Sky (guardians of unbiased truth) Saddam is being held as a prisoner of war.

Why is this? Didn't the Americans declare the war to be over months ago?
Capturing POWs after a war over is a good stroke.

Saddam is supposed to be a genocidal mainiac, but he is being kept as a POW, with rights under the Geneva convention, and the poor Al Quiada b*st*rds in Guantanamo Bay are being just kept with no rights whatsover.

Isn't Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, a occupied foreign country? Whoops. Did I say that out loud?

dangerman · 15-12-2003 12:39PM

Time magazine, quoting an unidentified U.S. intelligence official in Iraq, reported that Saddam had denied during initial interrogation that he had had weapons of mass destruction.

The magazine said that when asked if his government had such weapons, Saddam, 66, replied: "No, of course not. The U.S. dreamed them up itself to have a reason to go to war with us."

Interesting...

SheroN · 15-12-2003 12:49PM

does anyone else find it hypocritical of the United states to parade him on tv. i remember when captive US soldiers were shown on Arab television there was an outcry from the United States

There's a bit of a difference between parading the leader of a regime on TV, and parading soldiers on TV

lyonsy · 15-12-2003 12:54PM

the americans were giving out that the iraqis broke the geneva con. by showing pows in humiliating situations on tele, but they then go and show saddam on tele getting examined for head lice and them sticking a stick in his gob-"say ah...", thats pretty humiliating if you ask me

seamus · 15-12-2003 01:00PM

Originally posted by lyonsy
the americans were giving out that the iraqis broke the geneva con. by showing pows in humiliating situations on tele, but they then go and show saddam on tele getting examined for head lice and them sticking a stick in his gob-"say ah...", thats pretty humiliating if you ask me

That was the whole point. There's still whole propaganda war going on. I'm sure there was a lot more relevant footage than a medical, but that's all the Americans released. It's a blatant "Look how the mighty have fallen"ism used to demoralise any remaining resistance fighters, and to attempt to improve the plummeting favour of the Iraqi people.

It's perfectly legitimate IMO. Middle eastern governments have never had any problems releasing footage of beatings/torture/executions for propaganda purposes. "When in Rome....."

sceptre · 15-12-2003 01:23PM

Originally posted by Silent Death
Isn't Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, a occupied foreign country? Whoops. Did I say that out loud?

Ah but they pay rent (no, I'm not kidding, do a google):D

Castro just refuses to cash the cheques

Töpher · 15-12-2003 01:23PM

Originally posted by Mossy Monk
does anyone else find it hypocritical of the United states to parade him on tv. i remember when captive US soldiers were shown on Arab television there was an outcry from the United States

Most definately. They were up in arms [no pun intended] over Iraq tv showing images of captured soldiers. Whether or not Saddam was the leader is, IMO, irrelevant. He is still a prisoner of war. I seem to remember the US claiming it was against international law to show these captured POW's, yet they themselves are doing the exact same. Just another law that applies for the rest of the world, but not America it would seem.

Middle eastern governments have never had any problems releasing footage of beatings/torture/executions for propaganda purposes.

That is true. But one second America are complaining aout that, and then doing the exact same thing themselves. Which, I for one, find extremely contradictory and hypocritical.

Victor · 15-12-2003 10:12PM

Originally posted by Faust
i.racist
ii. paranoid
iii.idiot

True?

Originally posted by Silent Death
Why is this? Didn't the Americans declare the war to be over months ago?
Capturing POWs after a war over is a good stroke.

No they declared an end to major hostilities, they deliberately kept the war going so they could play with war time rules.

Originally posted by Silent Death
Isn't Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, a occupied foreign country? Whoops. Did I say that out loud?

The base at Guantanamo Bay is held by treaty / lease that can only be ended by agreement between both countries.

Barry Aldwell · 15-12-2003 11:42PM

Originally posted by Victor
The base at Guantanamo Bay is held by treaty / lease that can only be ended by agreement between obth countries.

A treaty signed in 1934, I believe, before anyone starts about them invading Cuba in the 60s.

Parading of POWs on television is a violation of the Geneva Convention, but the Geneva Convention only applies to soldiers, not toppled leaders cowering in holes. The convention gives a definition of soldier, can't remember it right now, but it includes such things as having a military id card.

de5p0i1er · 16-12-2003 12:09AM

He's going to hang and I hope its on television, that way we can all see him get what he deserves. It's what he deserves.

Saddam busted

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