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Jeffrey Donaldson steps down as DUP leader after being charged with historical sex crimes -*Read OP*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,027 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
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    Trial commences late March- I wonder how long it’s scheduled to run for



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 46,247 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Even today's hearing took five hours (according to The Irish Times) so I'd expect this one to take a while!

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,027 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
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    A lot of charges alright - certainly 2-3 weeks would be a fair estimate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,224 ✭✭✭Dan Steely
    1 missile, 165 schoolgirls


    No word of the trial starting?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,808 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    A lot of vested interests keeping the delays going, imo.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,224 ✭✭✭Dan Steely
    1 missile, 165 schoolgirls


    I think so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭I told ya


    It's been reported that the wife has health issues.

    Without knowing the ins and outs of the case and the relevant laws, would it not be possible to proceed with the case against JD?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 76,178 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    There's lots of reasons to try cases like this at the same time. Two biggies:

    Avoids prejudicing the outcome of later cases, e.g. conviction leading to conviction and v/v.

    Reduces the amount of trauma for witnesses



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 394 ✭✭I told ya




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,107 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Trial date still not set, yes? Hearing today failed to arrive at a date due to a report on the wife still awaiting



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,028 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    New trial date set for the 26th of May.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,107 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    No surprise….a horrible liar as well as a child-rapist



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,117 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Good. Any other verdict would have been incomprehensible IMO.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,027 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
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    Once I saw the testimony of his wife I knew it was going to be guilty. She stated that she asked him many times what happened when she found Donaldson and one of the victims in a room on their own- he never answered no matter how many times she asked through the years.

    The two victims evidence was compelling - and very specific and of course very believable -but in a case like this and especially when you have the alleged assailant testifying themselves, it can split a jury.

    Thankfully the jury reached this decision

    From the BBC

    • Former Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) leader Sir Jeffrey Donaldson found guilty of all 18 sex abuse charges, including rape
    • The former MP had pleaded not guilty to 18 charges arising from allegations he sexually abused two women when they were children
    • The judge says he faces a lengthy custodial sentence as he is remanded into custody
    • His wife, Lady Eleanor Donaldson, also found to having done the acts in five charges of aiding and abetting
    • She cannot be found guilty as she is facing a trial of the facts after being declared unfit for a conventional trial - she did not participate in proceedings
    • The victims, known as Complainant A and Complainant B to protect their anonymity, both gave evidence at the trial
    • Sir Jeffrey testified over two days


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 380 ✭✭Arseboxing


    Was pretty much nominative determinism that a horrible right wing bigot with “Jeffrey” and “Donald” in his name would turn out to be a child sex abuser.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,199 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Will his "Sir" be revoked?

    I am so glad for the victims. I hope he gets at least 20 years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,107 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    The absolute arrogance and power trip of the man to do that to two children and to then be so very public in how to lead a good life. Weird man! And the wife every bit as bad



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,995 ✭✭✭take everything


    Justice done.

    He seems like a very arrogant man.

    This whole process wasn't easy for the victims.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,399 ✭✭✭golfball37


    100%. Phil Taylor lost his mbe for less serious sexual assault



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,027 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
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    His carefully worded written “apology” and his request for an a”confidential” meeting with the pastor were also serious pieces of evidence against him.
    Saying the apology was for something entirely different, without actually saying what the apology was for, didn’t do him any favours and shot his credibility even more.

    I wonder will further information be disclosed now that either wasn’t accepted in the evidence or couldn’t be reported on at the trial -I hope there aren’t further victims out there but if there are, that they have the courage to come forward



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,027 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
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    It never is easy- but I can’t imagine what an extra burden it must have felt for the victims going to trial in the political fishbowl that is Northern Ireland - I have no doubt that there are loyalists to Donaldson and other bigots up there who are in complete denial of the verdict and practice 20th century hear no evil see no evil speak no evil .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,107 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    He'll get at least 10 years I'd imagine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,027 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 465 ✭✭john why


    Dirty bastard, his poor children, a warm place in hell is waiting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,107 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Yes, I think he will…maybe 17-18….he deserves a lengthy sentence!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,855 ✭✭✭✭retalivity


    I'd imagine the sentence would be long enough that he will die in prison.

    Arrogance is too light a word for him, you'd worry that there are more victims who have never come forward, id doubt this was just isolated incidents



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,027 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
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    He knew he was going down today-his briefcase was packed with his PJ’s and a change of clothes- you could tell it was stretched to the limit


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,841 ✭✭✭StevenToast


    Were they his daughters that he raped?

    Horrible bastard.

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,333 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    how did he - or his legal team - think they could beat the charges?



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