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Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    Leinster confirming Cullen to step down at end of next season after Indo reported on it this morning.

    A massive hire to get correct.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,378 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    I really hope we're prepared for this. Cullen doesn't get enough credit for re-establishing the youth development pipeline after the disaster of Matt O'Connor's tenure. Leo's time at Leinster has been a huge success in many areas and he just doesn't get enough credit for it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,060 ✭✭✭johnh6767


    Yes confirmed by Leinster rugby Leo is leaving at the end of the season, smooth transition which I feel is a great benefit. Tacky of Sindo saying he will be remembered by the near misses which is an insult to the teams that participated, 7 trophies in 11 years and getting to so many European finals to me speaks of his tenure marked by consistency at the highest level. Hope they can get the right replacement as it’s everything



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,009 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I won't be sorry to see him go, but his first 5 years were transformative and he has done a great job in creating an environment that young players can come into and thrive.

    Biggest decision of Nolan's tenure coming up now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,711 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    Much prefer this to a sudden sacking if we lost the final for instance, gives us a chance to really get in the right guy.....possibly someone pre signed for after the RWC



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,378 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    As for a Cullen successor, my ideal replacement is Contepomi. His Argentine side plays a great brand of attacking rugby and he has so many connections to Leinster as a former player and coach here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,294 ✭✭✭✭The Iron Giant


    Leo has done fantastic things for Leinster. I disagree with the arrogance of writing off the last two URC titles as irrelevant, its not an easy competition to win anymore. The European final losses will always sting but he did get us there and that does count for something. If its a long time before we're back in those finals, fans might appreciate them more in a strange way. I think he'll simultaneously be hugely missed but also the coaching ticket needed freshening up.

    By the time he leaves, we'll really be in a transitional period with Nienaber and likely Bleyendaal also gone and it being a World Cup year, there'll be a significant number of our front liners that probably won't even train with the team until 6 months into the new ticket's tenure.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,012 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Very unusual to announce that he's leaving so early.

    They must have a replacement lined up.

    Great servant of Leinster but Leo stayed too long.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    It's no understatement to say it is arguably one of the very most pivotal decisions to be made from an Irish rugby perspective too.

    Nothing is ever guaranteed. We've been one of the very best club sides in world rugby for the best part of a decade, but despite what utter spoofers like Ruadhri O'Connor et al would have you believe; these guys don't just roll out of Williamstown Castle and straight into the test arena.

    It's a supremely difficult job for one person to manage. You need to be able to navigate:

    • the huge expectations of the fan base.
    • keeping a large squad of quality players happy
    • Losing roughly half your squad a couple of times a season to the Irish squad, the inevitable injuries etc that come from that
    • The mandatory rest / rotation of players, allied with ensuring to give sufficient development minutes (and in the right way) to our younger prospects.
    • Restrictions on your ability to recruit.

    I'd go along with @Clegg's earlier shout of Felipe Contepomi. He knows the place well, knows a lot of the players still (was back's coach as recently as 2022), would understand a lot of how the Irish system works and his Argentina side play great rugby. It also gives them 12 months to seriously kick the tires on Scott Robertson, someone who is one of the very most successful club coaches in the history of the game.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,355 ✭✭✭✭Heroditas


    It could also potentially mean that the new head coach won't commence until the RWC either, depending on what they're doing until then!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,810 ✭✭✭BoardsMember


    In the world we live in today, often what has been achieved in the past is taken for granted in the future. And the focus is on what was not achieved in the past. Tiny margins meant not winning a couple more European trophies.

    So what does Leo's successor need to deliver - winning in Europe, and playing more attractive rugby more often? that's going to be harder than ever, future reality is we have less income (gate receipts down, may improve with more attractive rugby and return of RDS), more expense (cost of IRFU players), less access to our best players (more "relevant" games).

    And the new Leo will also need to keep doing all the other excellent stuff - youth development, academy, giving younger players a chance.

    Lots of uncertainty ahead. Leo is a smart guy and maybe realises now is a very good time to move on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 899 ✭✭✭darkened_scrum


    Huge news from a whole load of angles, in no particular order:

    • Not sure there has ever been a head coach as good at bringing through players for the national team in the history of Irish rugby. This is really significant for the national team as well as Leinster. The new coach is going to have to work within the Irish system which isn't always easy for them to adapt to
    • The World Cup is obviously next season so if Leinster have any designs on a current international coach, they won't be available for months after the season starts
    • Leaves an open question to the rest of the coaches, I assume Nienaber will go as well but what of McBryde, SOB, Bleyendaal?
    • For whoever the incoming coach is, they will be taking over Leinster at a really interesting time. A big chunk of the core team are going to be aging out, retiring, moving on, whatever (see VDF, Conan, Furlong, Henshaw, Ringrose, JGP) so the squad is going to have to be rebuilt. This is on the back of Humphreys in his infinite wisdom deciding to hamstring Leinster financially. Does Leo see the writing on the wall himself?
    • Announcing this far in advance, why have they done it I wonder? Do they have another coach lined up already?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,294 ✭✭✭✭The Iron Giant


    I think Its pretty classy by Leo to confirm his departure so early. Gives the club time to find a replacement without rushing in and lets them be transparent in approaching candidates.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,382 ✭✭✭bingobango12


    While I have been calling for him to step down since the Northampton loss last year, he deserves massive credit.

    Has brought 7 trophies in since he became head coach, which I am guessing is unmatched in the same period from any head coach globally. 6 runners up (5 of them in Europe) to go along with that.

    He believed in youth and always bringing through the next generation, along with usually getting the NIQ signings correct. There must be 40/45+ players used by him in the past number of years.

    12 years is a huge amount of time in any position in any career and a change possibly should have been made last year, but what an excellent job he has done in the whole.

    I wonder would they contact Stuart Lancaster. I would love him back and he would have a far greater chance of winning things with Leinster than his current post. Contract ends at the end of next season so the timing matches up.

    A good shout above for Contepomi from @Clegg also. Lancaster supported by Contepomi and Mike Catt would be the dream, although no doubt impossible and fantasy stuff from me.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,009 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Guy Noves had 8 in his first 10 seasons (6 T14 and 2 Euro). Though hardly bad company to be in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,008 ✭✭✭RichieRich_89


    Contepomi, Robertson and O'Gara will be the names most bandied about, I'd imagine. Interestingly, Super Rugby-winning coach Clark Laidlaw seems to only be contracted to the Hurricanes till the end of next year's competition.

    Whoever ends up being appointed to the main job, I wonder would there be an assistant role for Sean Skehan. If Contepomi had off-field responsibilities, say, having an attack coach assistant to carry some of the load might be beneficial.

    Perhaps Bleyendaal would move to defence to fill out his CV if Nienaber departs at the same time as Cullen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,105 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    I am glad that they've announced it early, at least now we can go about recruiting a new guy without the need for cloak and dagger stuff.

    While it's probably time for Leo to move on, it's hard to see his successor being quite so successful but what can we do but try? I think the player pipeline is at its lowest level in a few years and as some of our legends retire post-RWC (presumably), the new guy will have a job on his hands to even keep up the current level. Assuming Nienaber will depart at the same time and there's no strong internal candidate, it will be a total change, which might be precisely what we need.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,012 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Maybe. I would have left it a few days myself!

    Win URC and announce 'btw Im not staying around here'. The Mon morning after?

    Im sure he hasnt just landed this on the desk of Nolan/IRFU this morn.

    I dont know, but I suspect its actually that Leinster already have somone lined up and they are letting Leo announce before the story breaks/leaks.

    Im hoping that is Scott Robertson (or the like).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Razor Robertson won 7 titles with the Crusaders as well in 7 years, albeit some of those were the considerably softer Super Rugby Aotearoa Championships, where he was just up against the other 4 NZ franchises.

    Maybe we should count Leo's Irish Shields in his trophy haul?!



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,440 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Might have been forced to do so as the Indo, through ROC, released the story first.

    ROC really is burning a hell of a lot of bridges lately.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,294 ✭✭✭✭The Iron Giant


    Very possibly.

    It's only my own take and guess but from what I've read, Leinster continue to be happy with what Leo has done for the club (as well as the IRFU for the national team) so Leinster probably would have been more than happy to keep him on and rotate the coaches.

    Leo has consistently signed one and two year extensions as he wanted the ability to walk away if it was his time. I wouldn't be surprised if this was entirely his decision and announcing now benefits the entire organisation as it gives them the time to find a successor - he's always done what's best for Leinster.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,012 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    If its own decision, fair play to him. But surely give it a few days? I doubt he's that egocentric to go 'look at me'.

    Thats what makes me suspect Leinster/Irfu have taken this into their own hands considering the debacle of Northampton and Bordeaux.

    Who knows?

    If we hear something over the next few wks regarding a new HC I would say it wasn't "entirely his decision".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,088 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I'd say a lot of people are feeling like that. A lot of fans have called for him to leave and it's worth remembering (as you do here) that we don't want him to leave because he's an arzehole or not working hard enough. He's just been there a long time and while he has achieved a lot, it's time for a new head coach.

    I admire him deciding to leave early to help with the transition. He's a Leinster man througha and through. Ego has never been the problem, but he wouldn't have achieved all he has in his career as a player and manager if he wasn't resilient and believe in his ability to fix the problems. So he was never going to resign in a huff and leave them in the lurch (even though some fans wanted him to resign straight away after the final)

    This is a good balance of control and transition.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,009 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    I suspect it was a mutual decision and that word of Leinster starting a coaching search simply leaked out.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 11,442 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    I personally think that Leo was told his contract wouldn't be renewed, and as Leinster are still overall happy with how he has performed, they allowed him to announce that he'd be leaving on his terms, as it costs them nothing.

    It's easier, and cheaper, for Leo to see out his contract rather than buying out the last year of the contract, and then having to scramble to find a coach while having reduced cash from firing Leo.

    It's a sensible approach from Leinster, which is no less than I expected.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,440 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Absolutely disagree 1000% with this.

    Theres no way the IRFU or Leinster are pushing him out after the last few seasons. He is doing exactly what the IRFU want from Leinster churning out test level players like a production line, theres no way they are pressurizing him to go.

    as for leinster, Nolan is only in as CEO a wet weekend compared to Mick Dawsons 24 years, and im sure in that time he has had to lean on Leo plenty of times for input and direction. Considering in that 3.5 years Leo has gotten Leinster to 3 European cup finals and won two league finals, i cant see any universe in which Nolan was moving him on.

    I think its much more reasonable and logical to see this as leo knowing himself that his time to move on has come. 10 years is a hell of a long time for any head coach to be in his position.

    Ive called for him to move on myself for the last 18 months, and im glad to see that it is happening like this, but i am also absolutely grateful for that 10 years he has put in. Leinster are in a much much better place than they were before he came in. His ego was never big enough to think he could do it on his own, and got high calibre coaches in around him to help out.

    it will be very interesting to see what he does next.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    Sorry but it's very unfair to blame a journalist for a putting out a story.

    A lot to be critical of ROC (and I don't like him by any means), but this isn't one of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,012 ✭✭✭ionadnapóca


    Thats my read on it also.

    “As many of you will know, I’m committed to Leinster up until the end of next season, and I intend to honour my contract, as I always have done."

    But have Leinster/Irfu already formally issued 'The 6 month' on him?

    https://www.the42.ie/rassie-erasmus-contract-south-africa-3451714-Jun2017/

    “Leinster Rugby, in collaboration with the IRFU, will immediately begin a formal recruitment process to ensure that the best possible candidate is secured for the position,” Leinster said about their search for his successor.

    Makes me wonder about the informal recruitment process!

    See text Sexton sent to sound out Lancaster.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,440 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Blame???

    why is there anything worthy of a blame here?

    im just making the point that ROC announcing the story before official channels will not reflect well on him in the future.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,022 ✭✭✭For Petes Sake


    This happens all of the time.

    It's not his fault someone inside of Leinster leaked it to him.

    Any journalist worth their salt puts that story out as they are supposed to work in the public interest, not in the interests of Leinster Rugby.

    Leo Cullen leaving Leinster is in the public interest.



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