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Leinster Team Talk Thread (Love you Furlong time)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,543 ✭✭✭visatorro


    Didnt watch much of the world cup but whatever game was on last night I was surprised by how empty the stadium got during the hydration breaks. Dunno whether they can bring pints back into the stadium.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,194 ✭✭✭typhoony


    For 20 years Leo has been a big part of Leinster's success, he has enough credit in the bank to paper over the failures. He's very much involved from the ground-up, seen him at club matches and at club events seems to know everyone.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,009 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Serving alcohol in the bar area, but not letting drinks be brought to seats, is 100% the way to do it.

    Stadiums have tried this with certain designated areas (which is probably the best way to do it) and they aren't that popular.

    Eventually people who don't like people drinking at the seats are going to have to just accept that they are in a minority and get over it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,405 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Why? Its amazing how people who want to have a beer can go 60 minutes without at Croker, but not at the Aviva.

    Why cant they change their behaviour?

    Ive seen families at matches get interrupted every few minutes and for all we know its a rare chance to go to a game as a family etc (cost, timing etc) and its ruined by selfish arseholes who cannot survive an hour without alcohol. So lets blame those who can.

    Sorry thats nonsense.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,711 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    I've said it before and will say it again, if you ban booze you are probably going to lose 20-30% of the gate from the big games, its a day out for some people.

    That extra revenue over the years makes a difference.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,405 ✭✭✭Paddy_Mag


    Its not a booze ban though. 40000 in Croker on Friday night at 2 weeks notice. I dont think that translates to 50000 in Aviva for the same final.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,372 ✭✭✭Stanley 1


    Thought the Leinster scrum did well, not quite parity but in no way humiliated as was the expectation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,581 ✭✭✭Blut2


    When was this tried in the Aviva?

    Banning booze completely would be totally different, I don't think anyone would be in favour of that.

    I've been to a few games with casual fans in Croke Park and they didn't drink that much less than they do at the Aviva - they just skulled pints before the game, and at half time. So the revenue impact wouldn't be huge.

    Given the relative attendances of Croke Park to the Aviva for games over the last couple of years I'd also very much doubt that you'd lose 30% of the gate over it. Especially considering Croke Park is objectively worse all-round for games, and in a worse location for a lot of the fanbase, yet even with all of that and the booze difference the crowds didn't dip by anywhere near that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,088 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I thought they were lucky. A few scrums were going backwards and went down before the ball was thrown from the back. That's often given as a penalty by refs. It's hard as from tv to know if the ref has something illegal or they just give the penagaisnt the tem that went backwards and was deemed to have collapsed.

    But in any case, they didn't give away penalties while not having parity. That's pretty lucky. Home advantage maybe?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,088 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I also think the quick throw by JGP, which resulted in Ioane's try, was a bit over looked. Leinster and Ireland rarely take quick throws. I think they benefit from being so we'll structured and drilled because everyone knows what they're doing, but they lack spontaneity. That was a rare example of a quick throw by Leinster and it paid off. This is an example of making your own luck



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,105 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    It always seems to be the case that when we (or Ireland) concede penalties in the scrum, it’s because we’re sh1t, but when we don’t, it’s luck or dodgy refereeing.

    We absolutely held our own, and considering our situation at LH that was quite an achievement. Bulls got a temporary boost when their subs came on but it didn’t last



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,355 ✭✭✭✭Heroditas


    I think Piardi is very much in the mould of getting the game to flow. What I also like about him is his decisiveness in making decisions. Any time he went to the TMO, he had made a decision and was asking for clarity. Stark contrast to Dickson and Carley.

    He also doesn't talk incessantly during the match and laid down the law very early on when a Bulls player started moaning at him. All in all, a very capable performance and one we rarely see from refs nowadays.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,019 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    Piardi (whatever his faults, and bear in mind that this was his 4th consecutive URC Final) is more sympathetic to front rows than many other Refs. He'll reset where others penalise & play on if ball is available and where players are not at risk.

    I think he is guided by two things ;

    (1) Law 19 : Principle - The purpose of a scrum is to restart play with a contest for possession after a minor infringement or stoppage.

    (2) Front rowers are probably cheating.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,088 ✭✭✭✭El_Duderino 09


    I don't agree. When a scrum goes backwards and collapses, the ref tends to give a penalty agaisnt the team going backwards.

    Leinster often went backwards and sometimes the scrum collapsed, but they didn't concede penalties. That's against the general norm.

    I agree they did very well considering the loose head options. I don't dispute that. But I think it wouldn't have been unusual if they had conceded a few more scrum penalties.

    It's not knocking the team when we acknowledge getting some lucky ref decisions. We complain about it when we get bad luck with decisions.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,009 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It wasn't (and I'd have no issue if it was) but it was tired in Cardiff and I think Twickenham. It wasn't particularly successful.

    Those who want the change would be much better focusing their efforts on having designated zones where they can go sit and leave the rest of us alone to enjoy the match as we see fit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭Ardillaun


    I’m usually apprehensive at scrum time when an Irish team plays South African or top French opposition. We are rarely clearly dominant - let’s put it that way for a start - and I’ve often seen scrums where we ‘got away with it’. The best way to analyze this would be to go through each scrum and assess them individually.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,721 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    Why are our props so poor at cheating, in comparison to other nations? A dominant scrum is almost always the result of one prop getting an angle on their opponent illegally, so what is it that makes our lads so frequently deficient there?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,711 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    Don't you frequently criticise Porter for going it at an angle?



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 45,440 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    It's not cheating if you're getting caught 😜



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,019 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    Yeah, Ports is just bad at cheating. This is defo Leo's fault. Sack them all.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,721 ✭✭✭✭AbusesToilets


    I criticise him for his poor technique, which has led to refs giving him outsize scrutiny relative to his peers. Hard to get away with the typical front row skullduggery when the ref only has eyes for you



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,711 ✭✭✭P.Walnuts


    On the broader point, Leinster/Irelands scrum is not a massive issue, the only game I can remember recently that it actually cost us the game was SA in the autumn , and SA could do that to any team in the world.

    We also had Baird in the 2nd row for most of that game and Paddy Mc coming on for his what 2nd or 3rd cap?

    Leinster won the league with a part timer and 20 Yr old at LH.

    Even with 80% of our props fit our scrum has at least parity with essentially everyone, far bigger issues to worry about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,581 ✭✭✭Blut2


    Trials in other countries aren't particularly useful as an example when we have Croke Park as much more relevant, closer, example.

    Leinster fans still attend Croke Park in the tens of thousands despite not being able to bring their beer to their seats. And the numerous other negative issues with Croke Park on top. Which would suggest they would in the Aviva too.

    Not to mention for the Irish 6 Nations games demand is so high for tickets it absolutely wouldn't be a problem even if there was a supposed dip in demand, that would be the place to trial it first.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,009 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It is not a like for like. Croke park is inevitably used for bigger matches.

    Also it is awful stadium and everyone hates it.

    The 6N is not the place to trial it because it isn't actually wanted. The IRFU have done studies on it so presumably know there isnt interest. Your logic can easily be turned on its head - matches are well in demand now so why change anything? Particularly why change something to give yourselves less income.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 457 ✭✭conquestscarer


    I don't think our scrum is bad at all? The onky times Ive seen it perform particularly badly was when the oppostion Loosehead set up at 45° angle, which happened against the Bulls and Stormers. I suspect thats why Piardi didn't reward their go forward.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,602 ✭✭✭mr_edge_to_you


    In fairness, Piardi didn't have to deal with the joke that is Ian "Tempo" Tempest in the final.

    He was on the Premiership final and as usual it was a s hi t show going back many phases for foul play. Then heading off to mk early cup of tea and rejoin 5 minutes behind play.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,492 ✭✭✭FtD v2


    Leinster’s scrum won the third most scrum penalties of all team’s in the URC regular season this year (behind only the Bulls & the Stormers).

    We’ve held our own all season against some of the biggest scrummaging clubs around, and have dominated against plenty of weaker teams.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 317 ✭✭jimbob955


    I just wanted to hop on….. and say congrats to Leinster, a wonderful season that the other provinces would love to have for sure.

    I was so impressed and happy for Sam. A great performance, after a bad mid season for him. I just don't get the vitriol he gets exposed to. You can really see what a quality player he is.

    I think it was such an interesting season for Leinster. The early SA tour was a brilliant idea. Leinster didn't play as fantastically well as previous years. Rather than blasting through all games, they had to figure things out and win ugly etc. I think this set them up well for the end of the season. A few things went their way, home advantage for most of the Euros and URC really helps.

    But it really was an incredible season for Leinster, when you think of the post Lions season, a lot of injuries, a lot of media scrutiny, and maybe losing more games than normal. Most impressive of all has been the LHP situation, well done to Alex and Jerry for stepping up and playing a crucial part!

    Surely after 2 years back to back URC, Leo can go all in for the HEC again next season. This really is the missing piece, and as the squad ages, might it be the last season for success? Where is the final on? Could it be brought back home to the Aviva again to help Leinster get over the line?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 180 ✭✭The Parish King


    Indo reporting that Leo is stepping down at the end of next season (26/27).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,294 ✭✭✭✭The Iron Giant




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