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Manna ceasing drone delivery flights

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,678 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Is such a world any worse than the slaves on ebikes one we have today?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,079 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Yes.

    In lots of ways.

    Obviously i would prefer better conditions for delivery drivers/cyclists but replacing them with drone swarms is objectively worse

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭no.8


    You could say the opposite for many of the comments here.

    It's not a one-sided conversation, so if you don't like someone giving their opinion and starting a debate then you shouldn't comment on it.

    Manna: Never used their service, mainly because they not in my area. Always questioned the business case for food delivery but clearly Blanch made sense for them. Congestion there is off the charts so that's set to increase now.

    Having said that, a national framework is needed asap but i wouldn't hold my breath here. It may be a different, state/semi-state or subsidised company, but having a drone delivery service for essential goods (e.g. medical equipment, medicine, emergency services gear etc.) Would be benefical to all imho.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭no.8


    Drone noise may be a fleeting nuisance alright but at least they don't break red lights and nearly mill you out of it.

    Imo there's no control over all these means of delivery



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭no.8




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,002 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    If this is the reaction to drones, I’d hate to see what happens when flying taxis come along



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 932 ✭✭✭no.8


    True, but let's forget that our roads are filled with multiple levels of 'crap' being delivered to homes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,079 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    They won't.

    Blade runner and other cyberpunk future societies with flying cars work because they are quiet.

    Drones are loud and drones capable of safely carrying people would be very very loud

    If you invent some silent anti gravity technology then I'll reconsider

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,002 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I’ll stick to tennis balls so- you can’t get me for knocking drones out of the sky with a tennis racquet and ball



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,002 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    Only a matter of time - we’ve fcked up our land with roads and tarmac - time to fck up the skies 🤪



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,079 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    I'm less cynical. I think we'll resist this.

    It will affect wealthy people who thought they bought in a peaceful part of town.

    They'll push back against constant intrusive noise.

    There is no social benefit and too much friction

    Ban billionaires



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,109 ✭✭✭✭threeball


    True, but we cant see 99% of that. Filling our skies and the bit of peace we have is a step too far.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,321 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    There are a couple of arguments in favour of drone deliveries; one is environmental impact, i.e. CO2/pollution, and the other is congestion/safety on the roads. But it always struck me that the latter argument hinged on an assumption that deliveries mainly happen in ICE cars which cause the most traffic congestion, pollution, and danger. But they don't; and a lack of regulation of food couriers is not an argument in favour of bringing in a new system which would require far more regulation.

    Speed would be another benefit, and that could see most benefits in medical applications; e.g. getting a defibrillator to a site quickly.

    However, I see multiple drawbacks. The first is the most 'emotional' reaction. I just see the idea of having a coffee delivered to your house as incredibly lazy. Real 'humans in wall-e' stuff. Yes, it's a more efficient way of getting things moved around but I suspect that would then be outweighed by a massive surge in deliveries of utterly trivial items.

    The main issues I have is that we already have a taxpayer funded infrastructure for delivering items to houses, a system that is in place and will remain in place no matter how much drone deliveries would take off. But that's clearly not enough, as well as having granted so much public space to the movement of people and goods by path and road, that we might be expected to cede the air not far over our heads to it too. My neighbour gets a delivery to their house - I don't hear a thing, I'm not aware of it in the slightest unless I happen to be looking out the front window at the time. If my neighbour gets a drone delivery, I know about it. Especially if I'm in my back garden.

    And that leads on to another point; We've created spaces, public and private, part of whose function is to get away from the bustle of roads. I'm obviously talking about gardens and parks and the like; I live on a busy road and knew full well when I bought it that it was a busy road but the fact that it has a big back garden was going to offer us relief from that. But the idea that that space could also be 'commandeered' by drone deliveries sticks in the craw as a result.

    And that idea is even more pronounced in public parks; where people might go for a walk or a bit of headspace, or whatever reason they have for being there; to have that space used for commercial activity is just wrong too.

    And that's not even going into the business practices of Manna, who were trying to move faster than the wheels of government were operating, to avoid the debates like the above from happening in good time...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,002 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I was a bit tongue in cheek there but you have a point- i think the future of our skies, peace and quiet and whatnot will be somewhat dictated by money, cost, efficiencies etc - I don’t call drone deliveries “progress” necessarily - but I don’t think the skies around us will avoid technological advancements longterm - especially if our roads clog up even more



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,923 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe


    You know they get paid and it's a job?

    Using that logic, all low level paid jobs are slavery. I'd rather be zipping around town on an ebike than scrubbing toilets for a US corporate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,931 ✭✭✭Alkers


    Could they restrict the flight paths to above roads?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,931 ✭✭✭Alkers


    Yes but it'd be far less intrusive than directly flying over people's property



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,592 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    You'd hardly hear a drone when it's passing by. It's only really intrusive when it stops and comes low to delivery to a close neighbour. I doubt anyone has neighbours getting constant deliveries.

    Road noise is more intrusive we've just normalised that so we no longer notice.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,321 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    Yes, but they wouldn't be flying over back gardens, or parks, if they had to follow roads to get to their destination.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,401 ✭✭✭Mister Vain


    Feck it anyway. I have to wait an extra 5 mins for my skinny lattes now. At least the deliveroo riders don't have to worry about their jobs been taken.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,592 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    A lot of parks are not noise free. You hear the traffic constantly from them. Same with most gardens. I bet if you put a traffic and noise counter on most parks and gardens the frequency of traffic noise would be vast.

    I agree that the drones as a fast food service is completely unnecessary. It was a pointless service.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,321 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    There are plenty of issues with the gig economy and how those guys are treated.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,916 ✭✭✭DayInTheBog


    They'd be flying alongside houses and gardens instead. There's really not much difference



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,974 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    A "national policy objective" that fat lazy cûnts barely have to lift their arse off the sofa to get a takeaway coffee or mash yet another McDonald's down ther gullet.

    Laughable

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 416 ✭✭carfinder


    Whats laughable is your apparent inability to see past a use case of coffee and fast food.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,906 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    Yer man Healys an odd fish.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 56,321 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    i had a couple of interactions with him on twitter years ago - around the time the first trials were happening in balbriggan.

    i can't say they were fruitful interactions, he was very unwilling (or possibly unprepared) to deal with comments/criticism.

    his response to my objections (very similar to what i outlined a few posts back) was essentially 'but my customers are happy' and got tetchy with me when i pointed out that he was doing nothing to actually address my comments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,818 ✭✭✭Busman Paddy Lasty


    Having seen the one in Blanchardstown up close, I won't miss them. For anyone who hasn't experienced these, they are way bigger than you would expect and noisier too.

    If the government legislate and use them for hospitals, critical delivery then well and good. These are done on motorbikes now anyway.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,923 ✭✭✭✭o1s1n
    Master of the Universe




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